M17xR5 with Quadro P4000M

Does device manager display the hardware ID?

 

ok my bad, I didn't see he already share it's hardware ID then share your nvdmi.inf, i'll mod the inf file for you.
But this isn't really a good news, it should be shown on GPU-Z, does the intel hd4600 drive your monitor ? what error give the device manager about the card ?

 

From info gathered here the Intel graphics shouldn't be able drive the 120Hz screen, so I assume it's running on Quadro already. Let me know exactly what codes to post and taken from where, I'll have to do it first thing tomorrow morning. What version of drivers SHOULD I use? Are there any requirements for downgraded graphics drivers, with all the encryption or so on mentioned on Prema site?

 

Not possible.

Its likely Microsoft display manager or something like that running the panel until the drivers are installed.

 

but that's weird GPU-Z show no card present, anyway I'm using quadro driver but it should work on geforce too, you just need to modify the nvdmwi.inf file following this :

Inside nvdmwi.inf there is a list of "compatible card", you need to replace this "DEV_1BB7&SUBSYS_ 07B11028" by this "DEV_1BB7&SUBSYS_ 05AE1028" each time it is present in the file.

In details :
nvdmwi.inf is the inf file reserved for Dell computer (only for laptop)
10DE is the hardware ID of Nvidia stuff (never change)
1BB7 is the hardware ID of the P4000 "core" (change for each different specific core, P5000 is 1BB6 and M5000M is 13F8 for exemple)
1028 is the hardware ID of Dell computer in general (never change)
The 4 characters before the "Dell computer hardware ID" is the hardware of the type of mainboard, for exemple, all 17R1 motherboard at the same revision should have an hardware ID of 05AE (it might depend on optimus too) while a M6700 motherboard have an hardware ID of 153F with optimus enabled or 053F with optimus disabled (or vise versa, never remember haha) etc

And you only need to modify the end of line that looks like this (section is never the same, it doesn't matter) with your laptop hardware ID:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1BB7.07B1.1028% = Section163, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BB7&SUBSYS_07B111028

attached file is for 442.50 quadro drivers

 

HD 4600 can drive a 120HZ panel, its just not wired up in this laptop

 

Ok, bit weird, butafter entering test mode and trying various Nvidia drivers all I get is an error. hwinfo recognizes the card, but not the parameters (ram, clock, etc), so I guess it's the vBIOS. I'll reload the existing one, try the default one as well, and then try to implement others from the collection given here.

 

After all I had to manually disable the digital signature enforcement, and after a looooong install I got it! Quadro P4000M working in Alienware M17XR5/17R1. So to sum up:

UEFI is a must. Preferably a clean Win10 install, I wasn't able to manage it with any adjustment tools. Without UEFI the card won't even be recognised.

The vBIOS - currently I'm working with the vBIOS provided by @TheQuentincc , 86.04.2B.00.02.

I am yet unable to run the 120Hz screen in, well, 120Hz mode. Any ideas? The display is Samsung 173HT02-C01. It shows in hwinfo two different pixel clocks, but how do I enable it? When I do it through Nvidia Panel it just goes black, luckily I can revert by not clicking anything. I really wish to try it

 

the vbios was first provided to me thanks to @RMSMajestic
For the screen, I don't really know how to help you, I think it was mounted on "3D vision" laptop, so it might only works with "3D vision" compatible GPU, which stopped at maxwell.

 

The thing is that the 120Hz option is available from the get-go, so I don't have a clue how to trigger it without blackout. Can it be something to be tweaked in BIOS? I have ran the card with PCI only option, maybe there is something to be done in advanced settings?

 

@TheReciever you've been quite active in the AW17R1 120Hz LCD threads, is it possible to overwrite the EDID of the C01 screen to be recognized as D01/02? And, what's more important, will it still work? According to the thread on this upgrade, C01 revision has issues with going full 120Hz without 3D.

 

Does the P4000m support 120hz to begin with?

 

Huh. That's a fair question but then again, 765M had exactly the same issue. I think it's the C01 revision, according to the 120Hz threads.

EDIT: it seems like it should, it's desktop counterpart appears to support put to 4 monitors in 4K@120Hz. Can't find the proper datasheet for mobile though.

 

On my external monitor (Display Port) my P4000 can 1080p 144Hz G-Sync, it also support 4k60Hz on the internal screen which is the more demanding than 1440p120Hz in terms of bandwidth

 

@TheQuentincc Did you ever make a thread on your M6700 4K screen upgrade? If not, can you make one or describe it in depth to me? Would be very appreciated.

As for the P4000, it can easily drive a 1080P 120HZ panel, its just that the panel itself might be the issue if you couldn't use it in 120HZ with the P4K or the 765M.

 

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That's my thought as well. Does anyone have the EDID for the D01/02 variant? I'm willing to take a gamble. Unless someone has a better explanation/solution, except for the obvious one of buying a screen

 

I'm working on a huge thread about upgrading and overclocking the M6700, be scared alienware users

 

Im a Clevo guy now :3

All that being said, I love a good mod like a child on a sugar high and a bag full of candy.

 

If I wanted a laptop to game on I would have bought a Clevo too, however I'm not playing at all on my M6700 despite all the money invested in it , last time I really played on it was back in october or something like that, even in H24 I'm not using it, I have more powerfull desktop for gaming and my Precision 3510 with much better portability and battery life as all day use laptop

 

Im mostly only on this machine as a new project and also because the 5775c @ 4.0Ghz is interesting to me, should run in parity to the 7700k @ 5.0Ghz for games.

Im going to rebuild the Ranger and try to sell it, I need to get rid of it lol. Im sure someone can use it for parts at least.

 

https://techreport.com/review/34205/checking-in-on-intels-core-i7-5775c-for-gaming-in-2018/
might want to look at this

 

Not relevant to me as I wasn't considering 6+ core platforms and also I won't be running sub 2134mhz ram nor would I be running stock base clocks either. Nor would I be playing games like battlefield or heavily threaded titles as thos ethat do I have little to no interest in from an entertainment value.

The test that actually peaked my interest was already provided in my own thread where at 4.2 it beat a 5.0ghz 7700k. I don't need it to beat a 7700k to begin with, so needless to say it fulfills my needs for it already.

 

Got a quick question - what is the DP/N for HDD1 caddy for M17xR5? I want to expand with another 1TB SSD, but I can't for the life of me find the proper one, only M17xR2 and AW 17R4 keep popping out...

And, can anyone shed some light on implementing EDID from D02 onto C01? Is it a good idea, or will I irrepairably brick the screen?

Esit: and another thing - the 4910MQ seems to do a lot of current/EDP Throttling, what should I adjust?

 

Increase IccMax so it can use more current.

 

Thank you

 

Ok, but how do I do it on 4910MQ? How is it named in the XTU/Unlocked BIOS? I can't seem to get rid of the issue...

 

Core IccMax on XTU, or IccMax on ThrottleStop, and I recommend TS over XTU any day.

 

Found it, but it's greyed out on an nonXM CPU... Any workarounds?

 

This is why there isnt much point to non XM chips besides to the 4700mq on the Ranger, as I have yet to seen any proof you can OC such chips on said platform.

 

You can literally overclock them on every PGA 946 platform, which is the opposite of why you should get a XM.

 

Then instruct him on how to do it.

 

Open the BIOS, set the multiplier to what you want, apply it, save, thats that lol.
Or just set multiplier with Throttlestop. Or XTU.

He's not asking about OCing, he's asking about bypassing power/current restrictions which can be done with throttlestop, I just forget the exact steps.

 

...perhaps I should've mentioned that the current/EDP limit is triggering BECAUSE OofOC i have racketed every slider from hell and back, but the VR/ICC options are unavailable. Neither XTU nor Throttlestop. Or maybe I'm missing something in the BIOS, maybe it's named different, but I can't seem to find it. The throttling isn't that bad, but it's persistent, and I hate seeing yellow in XTU.

 

is this for the +200/400MHz overclocking ? for more we need to modify the bios with/use a specific microcode, right ?

 

If you've installed the unlocked bios maybe you can manipulate the power limits?

In apparantly all platforms you can ignore intel spec and overclock according to some. For some some platforms this is certainly true but I have never seen it done on the ranger.

 

It's the A16+ v22 miceocode taken from this forum.

There are some issues with it, I've tweaked every value at this point (except undervolting, because so far it was causing problems with not POSTing, and it wasn't greatly undervolted...

 

Ok, another thing - is it possible to even OC the P4000M? I've been looking all over the web for some clues on that and I couldn't find an answer. There is something about dynamic clock management on Pascal+ cards, but can anything be done about it?

 

Overclocking is not possible on pascal non-GTX card (unless your username is prema and you are ready to loose a lot of time to end up with a legacy vbios)

https://twitter.com/premamod/status/1199368827668054017

 

Figured as much

 

Another upgrade question: was anyone successful with upgrading the Ranger with any screen beyond FHD 120Hz? Like some 4K display?

 

I've asked numerous times and the best answer I've seen is "No". In theory, there is no reason it shouldn't work, the internal eDP is already wired for it.

 

Mux/demux chip on the board can't handle more than 1080p120hz or 4k30hz
http://www.s-manuals.com/pdf/motherboard/compal/compal_la-9331p_rx00_schematics.pdf
Displayport 1.1a max supported on PS8321 :
https://www.paradetech.com/products/ps8321-21-dp-to-dp-mux/
and with optimus disabled the PS8338 should work since it support 4 lanes at display port 1.2 speed, but it's not rated for such use (4k60Hz) by the manufacturer so who know
https://www.paradetech.com/products/dp8338/

however if you replace these by more recent one that support 4k60Hz, I don't see why it wouldn't work

The only upgrade you can get is a 2560x1440@60Hz (8 or 10 bits) display because 4 lanes DP 1.1 are enough to drive this, so all of these should work at 60Hz : http://www.panelook.com/sizmodlist.php?st=&pl=&so_attr=&sizes[]=1730&resolution_pixels=8380

 

Im going to o look into it, but from the prices given in my country it ain't cheap...

 

There was an attempt for 1440p120hz but it didnt pan out, cant recall the source.

Could be that other options will work but no precedent for it.