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    Making M17x R4 3D

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by Brink1031, Mar 9, 2013.

  1. Brink1031

    Brink1031 Notebook Enthusiast

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    So as the title says I want to upgrade my M17X R4 to a 3D display. From my research I can find I need the screen and a 3D Emitter. My question is can the 3D fit in the 2D assembly. I don't want to drop the $550 on an assembly if I can spend about $200 on a panel and Emitter. But dont want to but panel and emitter if I need full assembly. Haven't changed a panel before either. So any tips going in?
     
  2. rjtnag

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    most likely it is not possible, both the displays have different assemblies
    3d monitor can be obtained separately and it will require you to disassemble your laptop, and your internal gpu will have to be disabled for that...

    also you can buy a nvidia certified 3d external 3d monitors, they give glasses with the emitter, that would be probably less than $500
     
  3. MickyD1234

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    Dell list a different cover for the 3D panel on the R4 so it probably will not fit. The 120hz panel plugs into a different port on the MB and this disables the on-board.

    As said, an external monitor and the 3D vision kit is probably a better option :)

    PS. I love the 3D :D
     
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    Hey, anyone have tested the 3D with an external monitor. I'm also interesred :)
     
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    Only on a decent 3D TV for me, but I have seen a few people using a 120Hz external monitor. You need to connect it to the Display mini-port (can be an expensive cable so check what connector the monitor has, you may need a converter cable) for 120hz operation, and buy the NV kit for the emitter and glasses.

    For many monitors you would be looking for a Display mini-port to Dual link DVI cable.

    HTH.

    PS Crysis 3 has a 3D driver built into it so I disabled NV 3D and used their driver with my 3DTV. Got 1920x1024 @ 50hz, not possible using the NV 3d TV driver, only 24hz which is useless for gaming :(
     
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    Great thank you for the answer, i'm owning a vg278he and looking for a netbook which i can enjoy the 3d :)
     
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    Yes you can upgrade to 120HZ 3D but you need to buy one screen with the cable because the 60HZ and 120HZ use different connector on the mobo
    here is one on ebay all you need is the emiter it will go right on thit panel no problem and don't worry the lids are the same :) Alienware M17x R3 M17XR3 17 3" Full HD 3D 50 Pin 120Hz 1920x1080 LED LCD Screen | eBay

    cant just buy the panel because to open the edge to edge glass is dangerous you mostly break the glass in the process and you still need a cable for the 120HZ screen
     
  8. MickyD1234

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    Well that's the perfect monitor, even has published support and NV lightboost! You would only need the cable if you get a 3D model. Otherwise you'd need to purchase the whole NV 3D kit for the emitter and glasses.

    Cable will be display mini-port (a crapple standard!) to Dual link DVI, quote: 'VG278HE supports NVIDIA 3D Vision 2 through connection of Dual-link DVI.'
     
  9. Brink1031

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    With this being the whole assembly wouldnt it have the emitter. And anyone know a cheaper place to order these?

    Thanks for the info.
     
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    The emitter comes with the 3D vision kit as a USB conection. Have you checked eBay?
     
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    Yea checked ebay but since I have been looking the only guy that was selling them went from 450 to 550. And I thought that the emitter was built into the monitor on the 3D model.
     
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    It is if you get a replacement 120hz panel but not in external monitors. I thought you was just looking to get a 120hz external monitor for 3D?
     
  13. Brink1031

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    No sorry that was the other guy. I am looking to replace the screen on my laptop.
     
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    Oops :eek:. You should be good then, the replacement panel I saw from dell was complete with webcam, light for alienhead on cover, and 3D emitter as a complete assembly. Don't know if aftermarket is the same though....

    Good luck :)
     
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    Well its a necro thread now. Upgraded the screen and now its not seen as steroscopic. I geuss i need to flash the bios to an earlier one. Anyone know how to do that? or have any other ideas?
     
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    Shouldn't need to. The 3D is controlled via the main BIOS and as long as the card is supported in the model you have it should just work. Couple of questions, was the panel a dell original one complete with all the assembly (emitter and web cam)? Is 120hz working? What model AW and card are you using?

    Check in Device Manager under USB devices, you should see the NV 3d Emitter. usb1.JPG
     
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    I have a 3D sony monitor, it works like a charm just have to set up the preferences on windows and it works out of the box. no issues what so ever.
     
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    Yes it was an original but it is a LG from the m17x R3 I have a m17x R4. Using a GTX 660m and yes the emitter is showing in device manager. I am being told from one person I have the wrong bios settings and another that the LG wont work on the R$ I need a Samsung.
     
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    O and as far as the 120hrz, nvidia control panel sees it as 129 hrz but I dont know how to test that.
     
  20. MickyD1234

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    Well if you see it in device manager then I think it may be some tricky dell bios thing where they setup the display (lightboost support maybe?)? 3D will not work if a card is not on the list of supported cards so the panel ID may also play into it.

    Does the stereoscopic 3D menu show up in the NV control panel?
     
  21. MogRules

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    Sorry to hijack , seems silly to start a new thread for a similar question but browsing the parts list I only see one cover listed for the new 17's. Am I correct in assuming that If I order the corresponding part numbers for the LCD and the cable that I can upgrade to 3d with no real hassle? And I would need the glasses of course but those are pretty standard.
     
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    Sorry been busy. From another forums I leanred that I am using the screen from a R3 and not a R4 and because it is LG and not Samsung it will not work. Samsung is getting sent to me. And no Stereoscopic does not show in Nvidia panel.

    Also I WOULD NEVER AGAIN buy anything but the EXACT part that is requested. This has been a awful experiance to figure out that I just have the wrong version. It is the SAME specs. !080, 120hrz, same connections, same supported cards etc. But Samsung does lightboost 2 and LG does not so NOTHING works. Not having issues with HDMI-in on top of my 3D not working.
     
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    The only thing I have seen that might be an issue is the panel cover on the R4. It was the only model I built that had different part numbers for the cover. I thought there might be some small size difference? I've not seen anyone do this yet but IMO it's worth it :D

    Yeah, it sucks. You hit the internal component check for 3D. Somewhere in the bios it checks device ID's and has a look-up table to enable the feature. It appears to be the same reason as when a non-listed card will not show 3D (and why you need a modified driver), but it works in 120hz just fine.

    Laptops are just trickier to swap parts around, anything other than that the OEM sells and it's a dice-roll :mad:
     
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    Yeah I figure I will get to it sometime in the next few months....when and if it happens I will throw up some pics and of course update how it went, I am kinda waiting for the price to come down on the cable. One keeps popping up on Ebay but they want $50 for the cable and another $35 to ship it.....way to much IMO. The monitor is only $120 brand new.
     
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    Cool. Have you checked what dell charge for the part? I know they are usually way more expensive but sometimes not. The heatsink on mine for example, couldn't find it for less that £50.00 anywhere and then dell come back with £24.00 (dollar prices were exactly the same numbers) complete with all pads and paste pre-applied :D

    Hope you get the spare cash to go for it!
     
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    I have not asked Dell yet, but I do plan on calling when I am ready as they seem to be in short supply online. Worst that can happen is they will want to much and I keep looking.