New Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866MHz PnP Memory

This should be of interest for all here. The biggest being a 8GB kit (2x4GB) that runs at 1866MHz stock with CL11 timings.

I wonder if 1866MHz CL11 may not be as good as the current HyperX 1600MHz at CL9? Then again the new kits are JEDEC-compliant, therefore it is likely that a 1866MHz kit could run at 1600MHz and more than likely at CL9, if thats the way the SPD timing set is programed with filtering down e.g. 1866, 1600, 1333, 1066, and 800MHz.

Boths kits are new and being marketed as Plug and Play, that is where the JEDEC-compliant will come in, meaning that you don't have to select/change XMP in the BIOS in theory.

Legit Reviews:
Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866MHz PnP Memory Kit For Notebooks Review:
Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866MHz PnP Memory Kit For Notebooks - Sandy Bridge Notebooks Get HyperX Treatment - Legit Reviews

I will have to agree with some comments made in this thread already. The tests are flawed in the above review. The 6GB (4GB + 2GB) comparision is running in what is called Flex mode. 2GB of the 4GB module is split into 2GB and 2GB. It will only use 2GB of the 4GB module and 2GB from the other actual 2GB module in the other slot, the remainder of the 2GB from the 4GB is run in single channel mode.

Hardware Secrets:
Kingston Launches HyperX Plug and Play Memories | Hardware Secrets
KHX1600C9D3P1K2/8G: 8 GB (2 x 4 GB), 1,600 MHz DIMM, CL9-9-9, 1.5V, USD 122
KHX1600C9D3P1K2/4G: 4 GB (2 x 2 GB), 1,600 MHz DIMM, CL9-9-9, 1.5V, USD 67
KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G: 8 GB (2 x 4 GB), 1,600 MHz SODIMM, CL9-9-9, 1.5V, USD 122
KHX1600C9S3P1K2/4G: 4 GB (2 x 2 GB), 1,600 MHz SODIMM, CL9-9-9, 1.5V, USD 67
KHX1866C11S3P1K2/8G: 8 GB (2 x 4 GB), 1,866 MHz SODIMM, CL11-11-11, 1.5V, USD 163
KHX1866C11S3P1K2/4G: 4 GB (2 x 2 GB), 1,866MHz SODIMM, CL11-11-11, 1.5V, USD 88

 

Congratulations man! I was thinking of upgrading to HyperX 1600, but the gain was little ... but to 1866MHz

Fine article that you share here ...
congratulations again

 

I think that article is a joke...

I mean they benchmark games using a laptop with integrated graphics, what the...? Obviously larger memory will bring better fps.

 

I think you will find that the max ram speed supported in ANY M17x wether its R1 2 or 3 is max 1600mhz.

Intel say that the max supported speed even for the 2920xm cpu is 1600...... http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52237

HyperX 1600 is one of the best to go for if you have a SB cpu that will support its higher speed. The 2630 does not. You would need 2720 or above to fully utilise the 1600 ram speed.

 

Unless they add an "X" at the end of that product name, I'll have to agree with steviejones. Speaking from experience with 1600mhz ram on a 2630QM, it simply won't run at higher than what the memory controller is designed for -- unless you enable (or in this case, have) the proper XMP(rofile).

Even manually setting the timings does not work.
I have no idea how they managed to "legit"ly get those speeds with that notebook and CPU.

The first statement in this quote is blatantly false unless Intel has been lying to us all.

I DO want to believe

...and I really have no reason to doubt legitreviews

 

lol whatever
Double post and guinea pig status: GO

Just ordered 8GB from NCIX.com
Who wants to buy 16gb of 1600mhz HyperX if this stuff lives up to its claims?

 

With a discrete GPU, you wouldn't notice the difference between 8GB DDR3-1066 and 8GB DDR3-1866 (if you even could reach that through overclocking your system) since memory bandwidth is never the bottleneck.

 

Why does everyone assume the only thing that people do with their systems is play games?

 

The legitreviews review is kind of a joke as they compared a single channel config to a faster dual channel one and act like it is the second coming......

I REAL comparison needs to be done (dual channel 1333 to dual channel 1866). That being said....I will most likely still be buying these fastest kits haha

 

You mean I can do something other than play games with my system? Heresy!!!

 

I agree with you , I actually brought Kingston HyperX & compared with normal cheap rams , it has no differences. I'd buy those made in China rams. But seriously expansive ram is hard to resell , nobody wants it.

 

I guess its down to choice. If it says 1866mhz on the box etc, and its not that much more expensive - what the heck....get some! - worst case scenario if you are slapping it in an R3 with a cpu that supports 1600 is that it will max out at 1600 and not get to 1866 right??

I kinda took that approach when getting my HyperX...I knew my system (currently) wouldnt support 1600 but it would if I upgrade to a xm cpu later on down the line....

The fact that the cost difference between 1600 hyperX and normal 1333 was really negligable, I plummed for the former....purely with future upgrades in mind.

I would take the same approach to this 1866 ram....if it aint much more expensive, just get it in if you wanna! - be sure to let us all know how it performs though eh?

 

No, worst case you'll put it in a machine whose BIOS doesn't support this new scaling technology and it will go to the lowest common denominator--maybe 1066 or 1333Mhz.

 

The M17x R3 scales all the way up to 2133MHz, so there should be no problem

You will find that you can also scale downwards from it maximum speed. e.g. If the maximum speed is 1333MHz, you can choose it to run at 1066MHz if you wish.
Therefore there should be no reason that 1866MHz RAM could be run at 1600MHz.

The main question here, or may be it should be is. If the i7-2720QM and the i7-2820QM is listed as maximum speed for the RAM transfer speed as 1600MHz, will running RAM at 1866MHz make any difference?

In difference, I mean there are benfits, even if it is the slightest.

 

Well one of the reasons why people keep saying you won't see the benefit is cause no one who sees the benefits has posted what that difference happens to be...

if someone shows up going "Hey I'm getting a big boost in my VM work" or something like that and backed it up with numbers you can bet people would take notice...whereas on the other hand, Legit Reviews forced you to notice by A) Using kits with dissimilar capacity, B) using the IGP, which of course will benefit from faster memory.

We need real testing before making a purchase like this. So far what we can take away from this is that this is a great upgrade for someone using an IGP and only 6Gb of ram...

Now if the price difference is tiny...then it is a no brainer.

 

Exactly what I said

 

Even the smallest difference in bench scores will sell me on it

 

Exactly. Couldn't agree more Even the littlest bit makes a huge difference.

 

Sorry for the bump, but this memory appears to work on the new thinkpads. I don't see why it wouldn't work on other sandy bridge laptops too:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/566338-lenovo-w520-owners-thread-134.html#post7426881

 

You must have missed the part where I ordered 8gb of it

 

If you go to kingston website they have actually listed 5-6 laptops where they have used the 1866 memory and confirmed it to be working

One of them was M17x R3 (it will run at 1866 not 1600)

Edit : here is the page http://www.kingston.com/hyperx/pnp/default.asp

It work as 1866 without changing bios/XMP etc it will not downclock itself because Sandy bridge use the standard used of this memory, that's why it's called hyperX "plug and play"

Thinking of returning my 1600 memory for the 1866 ram.
This memory was made from the ground up to be compatible with sandy bridge and seems to have better temperature than the previous HyperX

 

If you look at the link above, and then the screenshots of the SPD table, JEDEC #8 is rated at 1106 MHz which equals 2212 MHz in DDR speed, this make me optimistic that if 2133 MHz is selected in the R3's BIOS that it will possibly run at 2133 MHz

 

That seems odd as Intel state that the max supported speed for an I7 2630 is 1333mhz...not even 1600mhz so how have Kingston got 1866mhz? - screenshots would be nice .... someones not being quite truthful here and its either Kingston or Intel. It may *work* (as in function) but where is the physical proof that it clocks at 1866 in an R3....yes, it may run but chances are it would run at 1333mhz....

I kind of know which I would trust more.....

 

it's not about intel vs kingston

#1 People have already tested it on other sandy bridge laptops (thinkpad/asus) and it worked at @1866

#2 the entire point of the new ram is that intel support 1333/1600 official and it also support JEDEC standard, kingston released 1866 ram that actually fits with intel requirement so it will work 100% aka why kingston market it as "plug and play" they even mention that it will work without the need of changing bios/settings, it's not like 1866 for laptops were available before for intel to speak about it, 1600 was the highest back then and 1866 kingston is the only one available as far as i know


*Point is how much different in performance between the 1866 and 1600? i highly doubt that sandy bridge would be bottleneck by a 1600 ram, i don't think it was designed that fast to take worthy benefit of the 1866 ram

 

So these should be tested with the 2630 (since they're PnP too) to see how much will it really support and solve this dilemma!

 

Never said it was Intel vs Kingston (not like that anyway!)

Tell me this. If Intel claim that the 2630 cpu supports a max mem speed of 1333mhz, how come Kingston claim to have it running at 1866mhz in laptops that have SB 2630 cpu's?

The whole point of my "argument" (and im not arguing, just digging around for actual proof) is that YES, it may "function" in said laptops systems inc. thinkpad etc but where is the EVIDENCE to show that it actually runs at 1866mhz and is not just downclocked to max supported memory speed?

And yes, i appreciate 1866 may not have been available whilst Intel produced those data sheets. On the other hand, 1600mhz ram WAS available, so if that was supported or worked, it too should have been listed on Intel as supported when it clearly is not - in the case of the I7 2630 anyway.

Intel I7 2630 spec sheet


Also, if it does run at 1866 and does so when using a cpu that DOESNT support that high a clock speed, is there likely to be any detriment to doing so? - having memory clocked at 1866 when intel say max is say, 1333 in the case of the 2630, is surely not a good thing to do?

 

the real question is will it work for the M18x if so someone should start this thread in the m18x thread

 

Not really, not in the M17x section.

Should be can it do 2133 MHz at CL13 with the R3

 

Just placed my order yesterday for R3, and HyperX 1866MHZ RAM. EDD is 5/26 for the R3 with the RAM getting here in the next couple of weeks. What settings or benchmarks are you looking for exactly? I'll post when everything here and installed.

 

Where did you read that the 1866 type was made from ground up for the sandy bridge procs and has better temps than the 1600?

 

I'm curious about the "better temps" comment as well...

 

Kingston pr, they talk about having better design which allows them to run it cooler and in the 1866 review posted by legit review they have tested the memory actually and did run 1866

 

If Kingston told you it was safe to stick your head in a fire, would you believe them LOL - point being, until there is actual proof, whatever Kingston say could be deemed as speculatory at best.

 

Yea no offense, but it would be good to read some definitive report rather than just some marketing material...

I don't know a lot about computer architecture, but for those who do, is it really practical to rebuild memory from ground up for a new intel architecture? I would've thought the memory guys have to stick with their own specific standards...

 

I don't have the time to explain, go to newegg and you will see many Rams with tag "made for sandy bridge"

It's still RAM not a CAR but it's made to be compatible 100% with sandy bridge XMP/Volt/Speed/etc

Many people here add nothing but useless information, all what i said SO FAR the ram is confirmed to be working by REVIEWS and USERS here at the forums at 1866 not 1600, now if people just wanna repeat "lol it doesn't work, lol it's just marketing you know nothing etc carry on then"

Never said the 1866 actually helps performance or not I'm still questioning if it helps with things like video encoding but the fact is it's working native 1866 not 1600, End of story.

 

Hey HSN21,

Again, no offense meant, I guess we are just trying to get to the bottom of this and be certain.

You said you heard about this from Kingston's PR... which i assumed meant their marketing material.

First some background, I have hyper X 1600... and trying to determine if I would have any benefit from hyper X 1866.

So now going back... it seems like its a fair thing to say that the legit review sites review doesn't give a clear picture of how 1600 works against say the 1866... but rather that the 1866 gives a significant improvement over the 1333 with no dual channel. I'm trying to understand how 1600 CL 9 will compare against 1866 CL 11...

Regarding Memory for Sandy Bridge, all i'm trying to find out is if the memory without the made for sandy bridge tags are really any different? and if so to what degree... please correct me if i'm wronger here, but with my limited knowledge it doesn't make sense to me that there can be difference in architecture of memory for the same chipset... that is I feel the 1866 is just a higher clocked version of the 1600.

 

I guessed you missed the part where i mentioned users have already tested it? at thinkpad and acer forums people already have it running 1866 not 1600 which just confirm the PR and LegitReview to be correct too

Users here said the 1600 CL9 was better than 1866CL11 at some benchmarks but the 1866 had higher bandwidth which so far seems to only help with the Intel GPU performance mostly, i didn't see any worthy boost somewhere else besides the Intel GPU

Sandy bridge Specs recommend 1.5Voltage ram for example not the usual 1.65 Voltage ram which was the standard a while ago.

Being made for Sandy bridge just means the ram is tested/confirmed to work with sandy bridge and 100% fall under the recommended specification by intel

atm the 1866 ram cost 160$ for 8GB, the 1600 ram cost 90$ for 8GB, if my budget was limited i rather get 16GB 1600 for 180$ over 160$ for 8GB 1866 only plus as i said the 1866 did not offer worthy boost besides boosting frame rate with the intel GPU.

 

For the record 1.65V was never the intel recommendation, that was the highest people were setting before ruining integrated memory controllers

1.5V has always been the spec for DDR3

 

I did read the part where users have tested it, and fyi, I never doubted that the 1866 wasn't working at its rated speed... I was trying to gauge the diff between 1866 C11 vs 1600 C9. Its good to hear that the 1600 C9 is doing better on benchmarks because I've already bought those!

My only doubts were with regard to kingston pr's claim that the 1866 memory was designed from ground up for sandy bridge and had lower temps. Or did it say that about hyper x memory in general? That would make sense as both are high speed memory modules that only sandy bridge can take advantage of. But I'm not sure if just the 1866 was built from ground up and has better temps than the 1600... so if someone could share their thoughts, that would be great!

 

Just saw this on newegg Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 HyperX Plug n Play Laptop Memory Model KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G
Whats the differance between this and the normal hyperx rams?

 

From my limited knowledge of RAM, I believe that this PNP version allows the RAM to run at 1600 on the i7 2630 without changing any BIOS options. I'm sure there are other things, but I'm unaware of them.

 

All Made for Sandy Bridge means is they are offering speeds in 266 MHz increments now and not stuff like DDR3-2000 which is an unusual multiplier for SB. Now it is 1866 and 2133

 

oh thanks for clearing that up

 

Ahk, so i guess the made for sandy bridge is just as true to 1600 has it is to 1866, 2133 and so on?

 

Does the R3 have a bios setting for 1866 like it does 1600?

 

Yep, Jestare is correct.

It is just some marketing lingo to let you know you just pop it in your sandy bridge machine and it will run at the "best" speeds for that system (instead of you going into bios to switch it)

D.

 

I doubt it as max supported mem speed is 1600.

 

If you go to this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/560044-m17x-r3-overclocking-sort.html

It discusses bios settings for the HyperX Ram. For the 2720qm & 2820qm, apparently they run better with a bios change. There are also some other optimizations in the thread that you might find helpful.

 

I have a brand new unopened set of 8GB kingston hyperx 1600mhz if anyone is interested. It's sold out at newegg. Let me know

 

Yes, PM me a price.