*OFFICIAL* M17xR3 Owner's Lounge Thread - Part 1

I was wondering the same thing. The turbo is .5ghz higher and the normal clock is .2ghz higher, so that should make some difference. Idk if there are any reliable benchmark comparisons between the two or not. If there is, please post a link

 

I think the 500mhz turbo jump per core would make a pretty big difference.

I don't think there has been benchmarks between all the Sandy Bridge proc's yet.

 

3DMark Vantage from notebook check



Full Review

 

I am impressed. At stock clocks the new processors are quite impressive.

 

Wow yeah. I'll be glad to get rid if my aging core 2 duo.
So I was also talking to sales rep about body of the machine. I asked if it was an anodized aluminum, they said it was despite this I'm still not sure where they are losing the 2 pounds from.

What's with this ivy bridge?

 

Ivy Bridge is going to replace the higher end i7s. So, it's pretty much just going to to be an overpowered Sandy Bridge . It comes out Q4 2011 though :S.

 

What I don't understand is Ivy Bridge is supposed to be socket 1155 also. So what will socket 1356 be used for??

I guess its going to be for future, more powerful Sandy Bridge i7's..

Then we also have LGA 2011 for dual CPU setups.

I guess the whole "Milk the customer dry of all cash by always releasing new sockets" is working out pretty good for Intel.

So, right now, we aren't even seeing the most powerful Sandy Bridge CPU's yet. We are seeing the i5 and i7 socket 1156 replacements. Think about the performance of the SB i7 1366 replacements. :O

 

The LGA2011 stuff will never make it to laptops though. Just like the 1156 stuff represented the top of the line laptop parts, 1155 architecture will be top of the line for laptops as well.

 

The manual states there are 2 types of wireless display.

1) WIHD is the one that requires an optional card. WIHD is effectively wireless HDMI

WirelessHD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) WIDI is Intel's wireless display that is supported by NetGear's Push2TV and other products. It does support 1080p with the new Sandy Bridge processors:

ptv

I believe the manual recommends using WIHD for gaming because of reduced latency.

 

I could have sworn i asked it was anodized aluminum like a week ago and every answer said no...

 

Yeah I asked about a week ago aswell I don't know what's going on. I'd rather it be aluminum I don't mind the weight.

 

notebookcheck just posted this review of the 6970. Still not fair CPU matchup but you get the idea

Edited: made a mistake with the CPUs

Test AMD Radeon HD 6970M Grafikkarte - Notebookcheck.com Tests

 

Like most of the major questions we have about the R3, I think the "Whats the case made out of?" question won't be properly answered until someone gets their hands on an R3 and reviews it. Unfortunately you can ask 12 different Dell reps and each one will tell you a different story and one will probably tell you its made out of cardboard so its super light.

 

No, they are using a 1st Gen i7 740QM which is going to be much slower than any Sandy Bridge processor.

 

3DMark Vantage GPU score (not the P or total score)



Based on this, the 485 is marginally better than the 6970.

 

I don't know about that, those 2 cpu's could easily be 500pts difference in Vantage. The 2630 in straight cpu benchmarks has shown to be what at least 10-15%+ faster than the 740qm? If it's at least a 10-15% difference in cpu speed I think they are stacked close but the 6970m may even be a bit faster based off of those numbers.

 

If I were a Dell rep, I'd monitor these threads and troll the hell out of all us, just for schnitzngiggles. One week it's made out of plastic, then a super rare earth metal, followed by old tortillas the next

 

Wait for a more reliable review, of a more reliable notebook, from a more reliable source.

 

I seriously dont know why veryone on nbr says notebookcheck is unreliable. Their reviews are much more technical with better pictures and more benchmarks than notebookreview.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong.

If it's actually made out of anodized aluminum instead of plastic i'll be happier than ever with my purchase regardless of what else goes wrong.

 

Mainly because the real world usage most end users report are different. The primary example I can give you is the M15x I had, they put the 5850 scoring horribly when in reality it just as capable as the 5870 was once you changed the clocks to 5870 levels. Notebookcheck is an idea for a base point when no real world data is available but falls short when it comes to actual daily use.

 

CPU has no effect on the Vantage GPU score.

 

They have every gaming benchmark imaginable with comparisons to similar notebooks in the review. did you actually see the review? Granted they dont do overclocked benchmarks but neither does NBR. the reason i posted was i see notebookcheck being singled out everytime someone posts something from there even though from what i can see they have one of the best reviewing procedures on the internet.

they also do a furmark_prime with every review now on top of every kind of pie and flow charts you can imagine. I would have thought tech guys like ourselves would much prefer this kind of review than the consumer reviews on NBR

here it is again.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-AMD-Radeon-HD-6970M-Grafikkarte.44112.0.html

 

isn't the 5850 GDDR3? I thought Dell sold the only GDDR5 one and Notebookcheck reviewed the GDDR3 one

 

Notebookcheck does great reviews. I just do not like how they rank GPUs by tests that can be ran with incomparable settings and different CPUs at opposite ends of the spectrum

 

It is not much, but there is still an effect. It is more obvious with multi gpu configurations though

 

According to notebookcheck, the 6970M is on par if not slightly faster (less than 3%) in most benchmark and games than the 5870M Crossfire. If that is confirmed. It's a huge improvement and the R3 with a 6970M will only be missing the RGB screen to be totally AWESOME...

Also according to their games benchmark. The 460M is on average 40% slower than the 6970M. That's a huge difference in frame rate for most games. The 460M is even 47% slower in Crysis.

Conclusion: waiting for the 6970M is a great thing.

 

My 9800m is still going pretty strong. In fact, my 2.53Ghz Core 2 is more a bottleneck these days than the 9800 is; I will say though that seeing benchmarks on both the 460m and the 5870, both cards seem to not do very well on High and choke on Very High settings, for Metro 2033. That game eats video cards for breakfast.

 

Not necessarily true. Somehow the data has to get to the GPU for it to crunch it.

Agreed. And this is exactly what I plan to do. Only thing that would change my plans is if the M18x comes out with dual 6970's.

 

And now the other waiting game begins...

tap tap tap

 

I would agree with you if they showed the scores for only the GPU portion of Vantage, but the scores they show are overall Pxxxx scores which is a combo of CPU and GPU performance. Vantage is used to show the strength of the GPU more than the CPU but it does still effect the score.

The 5850 is either DDR3 or DDR5 depending on the manufacturer, but if you look close the range of scores on that particular card show that they tested both versions. The majority of manufacturers who have used the 5850 have opted for the DDR5 version so the card should be ranked a lot higher than it is. This just shows there are too many variables in real life to take notebookcheck's bench list 100% as accurate.

 

Yep, and I'm getting pretty good at the game.
It seems that the 460m 120z 1080p 3d deal is gone. Oh well, but definitely gonna buy when either 470m or 6970m becomes available. Complete with 2720QM, 4GB RAM, 1080p 120hz, and intel wifi 6300. I'm gonna say... 2 weeks. Might be a challenge, but I'll definitely try really hard to get it for less than 2k.

 

are you buying it for the 3D? because your current system is faster(for gaming) and better looking/built. If i had a crossfire R2 i would just buy a 920XM off ebay and overclock. that would get you better performance although not per watt compared to the R3. the money saved can go towards a 256GB SSD and a 750GB storage drive.

 

No that deal is still there you just have to know where to find it. Go to the dell.com homepage, scroll over the "For Home" at the top of the page and click "Laptops & Minis" from the dropdown menu, then scroll over "Best Selling Systems" and click "Dell Recommended" from that drop down menu, go to the 3rd page of systems there and it should be right there for $1699.99.

 

well, some slimeball, low life, idiots are on ebay already selling the r3 for a jacked up amount.

Alienware M17x R3 17.3" i7 2820QM 2.3 GHz - 8GB RAM NEW - eBay (item 140503101648 end time Feb-18-11 19:35:04 PST)

seriously, are people like that so stupid that they can't find legit ways of making money?

 

It would make more sense if they shipped outside the US. Otherwise the person states they don't have it yet so any person with a brain can order it directly from Dell.

 

Seriousely, have you nothing better to do than attempt to make yourself feel superior by critizing others for reselling ?

I mean, seriousely, slimeball, low life idiots ? and, by the way and what is wrong with reselling ? How is that not a legit way of makeing money ? I ran a buisness drop shipping computers for almost 2 years for a part time income buying systems, adding a % and reselling, on ebay no less..........

I think you should back off your comments there, what there doing is called capitalism there is nothing wrong with it.

But this is WAY off topic.....sory BatBoy

 

Is it a bug ?

GTX 465M in the French Dell store ?

 

that must be your ad on ebay.

have you nothing better to do than criticize someone's freedom to to make an opinion on a forum?

oh, and that form of "reselling" is typically known as "scalping". and i don't give a crap what you think i should do or not do. go f off

 

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(sorry BB, just having fun )

 

Nope not my ad...have a nice day

 

Finally decided to pick one As a birthday present for my self
Alienware M17x Soft Touch Nebula Red
1 317-6114 Intel Core i7 2720QM 2.2GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)
1 317-6116 MOD,DIMM,4GB,1333MHZ,DDR3,2X2G
1 331-1347 Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter
1 320-1932 17.3-inch WideFHD 1920x1080 120Hz WLED w/ NVIDIA 3D Vision Bundle
1 320-1938 1.5GB GDDR5 Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M
1 342-2218 320GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD
1 331-1350 Custom Nameplate
1 330-6106 Personalized Nameplate Trigger
1 313-8792 AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue
1 421-4655 Alienware Command Center Software, M17X
1 421-1400 Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
1 420-9691 DataSafe Local BackUp
1 420-9956 Vista PC Restore
1 421-0092 DELL-DOWNLOAD-FLAG
1 410-1883 Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.0 Multi-Language
1 318-0396 Slot-Loading Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BR-ROM, DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
1 421-4541 Roxio Creator Starter,No Media
1 421-4550 Power DVD 9.6, 3D
1 318-0424 Internal High-Definition 5.1 Surround Sound Audio
1 430-4021 MOD,CRD,NTWK,6300,ANW
1 330-6348 Automatic Updates: On
1 410-9452 McAfee Platinum, 30 Day, MUI
1 939-0320 Dell Hardware Limited Warranty, Initial Year
1 939-0340 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus In-Home Service After Remote Diagnosis, Initial Year
1 994-3700 Accidental Damage Service, 1 Year
1 950-9797 No Warranty, Year 2 and 3
1 421-1721 Soft Contracts Service Hardware Agreement for Alienware
1 421-1719 Soft Contracts Consumer Accidental Damage Agreement for Alienware
1 994-3730 Warranty Support, Initial Year
1 330-0171 S and P Drop-in-Box Marcom forDHS Notebooks
1 421-1360 Steam and Portal Factory Installed
1 421-1359 World of Warcraft Preinstall Edition
1 330-5090 Thank You for Purchasing AlienWare
1 464-7516 DHS $50 EPP DISCOUNT MATCH

Edd 2/11/11

 

I can't decide if it would be more or less torturous if they had a more granular set of statuses when its In Production. I mean we can't tell if they are just pieces of paper hanging on a wall in line while they wait for the cases to be pressed / dyed, they are assembled except for the memory modules that are on back-order, they are fully assembled but being painstakingly loaded and configured one at a time by a Jolt and Cheetos fueled troll. Its just nerve racking

 

What does it say when you call??

 

Reviewing a unit that, for all we know, Eurocom might have very well hacked together themselves, and helping to pass it off as a notebook ready for sale makes them unreliable. Given Eurocom's dubious history, you'd think repeated black screen crashes + engineering sample HD6970M might have raised some red flags over at Notebookcheck.

Notebookcheck's reviews might look nice but I find them most of the time questionable, their test settings arbitrary, and their benchmark results skewed and unrepresentative of actual performance.


This is not the thread to go into that anymore though, if you feel the need to disagree there's a thread in the Clevo forum to talk about the review. Or if you want to save some time, I'll let you know now you won't change my opinion of Notebookcheck.net.

 

So do you mean we should expect some delay because the ram modules are on backorder at the moment?

 

If anyone is planning on getting the NETGEAR Push2TV with their R3, I'd like to hear back on how well it works. I watch a lot of movies and TV shows from my laptop and my current setup uses a cable draped across the room to my HD TV. I'd love to get rid of that cable if the wireless works well. The cable is too short and is constantly getting knocked out of the laptop.

The one currently available (PTV1000) doesn't seem to have 1080p capability though (only 720p). The PTV2000 will handle 1080p but has a "coming soon" status.

 

I think he was joking about "what if" type situations.

 

Dell better delivery the m17x on time or even before the EDD, otherwise I will be very upset.

 

"Granular set of statuses" is unclear but if you mean seperate steps in the production process, Dell had this a few years back and it helped with the long waits.