RGB LED Calibrating! ICC Profiles, etc. (M17X-R2)

ok thanks thats what i needed

 

I'm really struggling to remove the "yellow" out of this screen. Any suggestions on the exact settings you guys have tried and found sucessfull?

 

Have u read the thread?

 

yes I have but the upper lhs of the screen still seems to have a yellow tinge which I can't seem to get rid of.

 

if you have uneven tinting you need to get the screen replaced.

That can't be fixed with ICC's or CCC adjustments.

 

i know that Aikimox was complaining about that same issue for a while and couple of pages back he wrote that he solved it.

 

I give this another try again this evening. Aikimox is it possilbe for you to share your settings?

 

Yup, calibrated my screen using Catalyst with joker's setting. But i did further individual channel tweak. R=85, G=75, B=90, Wonderful!

Is there some way i can bring up the overall color temperature? My screen shows accurate color but is overall warmer now. Win7 calibration gets the temperature right, but the over-saturated reds are still obvious. Catalyst calibration still works best on color accuracy.

 

Yes it does. I posted a CCC setting combination on page 2 of this thread. Everyone who's tried it is very happy with it.

 

I reactivated the ATI color controls on the CCC. Now i would like to try your profile which is being adjusted on the control panel. how would i do that? i mean taking back the control from CCC?

 

So Crylo, when you applied these changes to CCC, did you first apply a custom color profile? Thanks!

 

No custom profile.

 

Crylo..

Say i did use your method.. now if i am to follow joker's method, how would i revert it? Joker's method is being adjusted on the control panel. how would i do that? i mean taking back the control from CCC?

Thanks.

 

Joker, I think the profile you posted looks great! Though I was wondering, have you adjusted Saturation and Hue along with loading this custom profile? The red's still seem to be kind of overpowering. Thanks!

 

I just read this thread and I can't seem to find Hue and Saturation slides everyone is talking about...

 

graphics--->desktop & displays ---> right click on the laptop icon---> configure----> avivo color

 

LOL thanks! Way to hide the basic options...

Now I can actually look at the red color on max brightness!

 

Just want to chime in w/ a few thoughts...

As far as I can tell, with wide gamut displays, out of the box, they're set up to 'show off'. I'm doing a job currently that requires me to use an Eizo CG245W (wide gamut, IPS, CCFL) display. The default 'Custom' color space shows what we're all seeing w/ the RGB's. Reds are 'redder than red', blues are otherworldly and green are obnoxious. With the Eizo, I can change the color space to match Windows default gamut; sRGB (not to be confused with Adobe RGB which extends into the greens). Set to sRGB, it is perfect because that's what Windows is sending to it. In the Custom mode, for example, Windows may send it sRGB 100% red channel. But the monitor interprets that signal to mean 100%-wide-gamut-'redder than red'. So that's what it displays. Same situation we're having.

What concerns me, for those of you who want a color accurate display, is hearing about guys dialing down the reds, etc. In effect, it's bending the red channel. So while absolute red might look more appropriate, anything less than pure red will be adversely affected (i.e. not accurate).

I believe that the answer may be in simply toggling the monitor's color space to sRGB (for 99%) of our applications (if we can do that). When an app, such as Photoshop, comes along that can take advantage of the additional reach into those hues, it can be toggled back on. And when the monitor is in sRGB, the W7 calibration program would probably be sufficient. I will personally take it a step further and shoot colors and may consider offering it as a service for those of us in the L.A. area (or those that want to ship). I use a Minolta CS-2000 day in and day out. It's a $20k probe, similar in concept to the i1. But much, much more accurate.

That being said, I want to research this further. It'd be nice to see what this panel can do. It does seem to have the range. Blacks are e. But that's to be expected with LCD... I think we can wring a fair example out of it... FWIW, I used the Spyder profile linked to on the first page. It's close. A little heavy in the greens. But much better than factory. And it should be noted that this is for my panel only. Manufacturing tolerances aren't so high at this level. So panels will vary from process to process. That's where the 'custom' in custom calibration comes in

Anyway, will try to get some answers...

 

So after doing some research, this is what I've concluded... For the most part, we're SOL.

Here's the lowdown...

W7 is only partially color managed. The photo viewer/image viewer (whatever it's called) is color managed. One or two other apps are also color aware. But for the rest, it's a no go.

All of those hyper reds, on your desktop, are there to stay (games as well). One bright bit of good news is that Firefox IS color aware. You can turn color management on. It will render the web in the appropriate sRGB color space. It will even assume all images (even those that aren't tagged sRGB) should be in that space... So there's that.

The main, underlying problem is that the monitor itself has no built-in profiles. It just has it's default wide-gamut profile. Where most pro monitors deal with this is in the manufacturer providing custom, internal LUTs to deal with other color spaces. For example, the EIZO wide-gamuts have a built-in sRGB preset. This allows the monitor to receive a 100% red channel signal, from W7 in its default sRGB space, and display proper, 100% sRGB red, instead of hyper fusion neon galactic red.

Where we're mainly getting boned is in Samsung not providing Dell with real support. They just provide the raw panel with not much else. And if W7 could work in Adobe RGB (roughly what wide-gamut panels work in), we'd be seeing much more accurate colors all-around. But right now it's mainly worthless, until you get into Photoshop or something color aware.

So that's that. Maybe we can press Dell or Samsung to deliver a little support. Otherwise, dailing down saturation isn't doing you any favors. It's only masking the problem. If you don't care about color accuracy, then whatev. But for those of you that do, this is the current state of our art...

 

Going to try to post an image for an example. It's a screen grab of a screen grab. The first grab is in the color-aware photo viewer which is inside the color-unaware W7 desktop. Don't assume accurate colors on what you're seeing. I don't know how your monitor is set up. But the point is that you see the differences in the red and greens in the GPU-Z and Task Manager screens. The big screen is where we all are. The little screen is where we all want to be.

Well, that's not working... You can see what I'm talking about here...

http://a.imageshack.us/img820/839/dualgpus2.png

 

Any of you tried this calibration site? Looks very nice to me.
Display Calibration - DisplayCalibration.com - Calibrate your computer display or monitor online for optimal viewing. Brightness, contrast, color depth, resolution and freeware software downloads.

Give it a shot and compare with other settings you all have done before.

 

Calibration isn't the problem. You can calibrate. And that's fine. But you'll only see accurate results in Photo Viewer, Photoshop or any other color-aware application... 99% of Windows will have badly distorted colors (games included). A lot of guys will see these hyper reds, neon greens, and nebulous blues and think it's really cool. And that's great. But don't fool yourself into thinking that these colors are real... Your games will look cartoonish, to say it nicely.

I did some checking and the Covet does have the proper profiles to display sRGB. But tack on an extra $1000-or-so just to get the support that we should have with these... In short, mine is going back... It's the color equivalent of them selling you a CPU that, when you enter 2+2, give you 5 as the result. Thanks. But no thanks.

 

I have heard some people on other forums complaining about too much red in their RGB LED LCD screens, so I felt it was time for this thread to get a well deserved bump.

The Catalyst Control Center color balancing instructions in post number 16 worked great for me.

 

Hey Guys
I'm going to try your settings on my M17X tonight when I get off work
My monitor has bone stock settings.
Do any of you have any good HD pics or wallpaper to compare the different RGB settings with??

 

there..
http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/464895-m17x-r2-rgb-led-wallpaper-test.html

 

Dude. Very nice thanks

 

I'm a noob. How do u Rep+

 

below the avatar and location and everything, there're three little icons. the middle one.

 

Anybody know where to find this Wallpaper Test!!!
Scroll down in this thread.
MALIBAL VEDA Series (Clevo X8100) Review
That wallpaper looks awesome for testing the colors.
I can't seem to find it.

 

Notebook Reviews - Laptop Reviews and Netbook News Picture
Where can I get this in 1920x1200

 

Wow this is a good read on Calibration
Contrast - Lagom LCD test

 

Hi Crylo and everyone I am new on the forums and have a M17xR2. I want to calibrate the screen. What is 85 and what link are you talking about? Could you please tell me what to do to get accurate colours and calibrate my screen. Can you please tell me step wise what i should be doing.

 

^this is true. the colors do pop but it's in an unrealistic and cartoony sort of way. i still like it and think it looks awesome even though it's not photorealistic. my dell 2407 monitor was more accurate to real colors for photography use.

i just did a few calibrations with spyder and my stock profile compared to the calibrated profile was way too cool/blue/pale looking. the calibration really brought out the tan peachy skin tones so i guess the red was way too low and blue too high from the factory.

like others have mentioned before, each screen profile is slightly different so using someone else's calibration profile probably isn't correct for your particular system.

 

Thanks and +rep for Crylo for the CCC's profile. I did not know about that until today lol

+ rep for Aikimox for talking too much in this thread!

Oh and by the way, here is a "collection" of extremely colorful wallpapers. All are 1920x1200

Download here

 

How do I do this with nVidia cards?

 

How did you change the R,G,B values individually? On this forum there are many different settings which people have tried. So what is the best so far? I don't intend to use any expensive calibration tools to get accurate colors, but i would appreciate if i can get help in getting the most accurate colors using ATI catalyst control center.

 

Hi All,

Following are a couple of ICC files I generated with a friend in Melbourne who has a Colorimeter. There are associated CCC changes that go along with these but I lost them when upgrading to 10.11. (Forgot to document them. Doh!)

The next time I'm down South (Jan 2011) I'll re-run the calibration and post the results if anyone is interested (And if we can get the drivers working on Win7 64-bit again!).

m17x-R2.icc

m17x-R2-large.icc

 

I may be late in replying to this thread but the best method for calibrating your monitor (in my opinion) is to invest in a good set of calibration hardware and software.

My personal choice (and what I use now) is the spyder3 hardware and the coloreyes display pro software.

Get the cheapest spyder3 express you can find (you same hardware as the other versions, just their cheaper software which you wont use) then buy the digital download of the coloreyes display pro.
The whole setup will cost you a little over $200 depending on what price you can get the sypder3 express at

You may want to buy a second hand one if you can find it as most people sell them once they get their screen calibrated (and all their friends screens) then realize they can no longer use the software (limited # of licenses) so they pawn it off on an unsuspecting person who wont be able to use the software..... but since you will use the coloreyes display pro software, you save money.

Now, you could use a monitor profile from someone else and your screen will look better (most likely) but since all screens have their own nuances and the fact that screen output changes over time, investing in your own is a good idea.
Plus, with coloreyes display pro you can "release" a license from a computer you are no longer using when you upgrade and move it over to your new computer/laptop.

I am in no way affiliated with either company, I have just found this to be the best combination (most accurate and reproducible)... plus when you upgrade drivers your color profile will change and you will want to recalibrate.

Just my 0.0000000002¢

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