Screen Swap R3 1920x1080 to 1920x1200

Is anyone else not impressed with the 1920x1080 screen on the R3?
Video files look terrible e.g. MPGs, AVIs

Is video quality/playback/editing better on an R3 with Nvidia 460GTX 1.5GB or RADEON 9670M 2GB ?

Is it possible to swap 1080/1200 R3/R2 screens?
Would you need the back plate/front bezel ?

M17x-R3 - Red | i7 2920xm | 16GB DDR3 1600MHz | 2GB ATI 6970M | 1920x1080

 

not noing for sure but i would say that its not possible! as the r2 16:10 and r3 16:9

 

This has been answered in the past, I think. I think someone said that they're completely different in actual size(dimensions), so it's not possible. Too much trouble anyhow. I personally have the 6970 with the 1080p, and everything looks GREAT. But you're right, when it's small videos like youtube, it does looks kinda funky/pixelated but that's cuz it's being blown up to a bigger image (aka resolution). Kinda like when you play a video on a laptop with a projector, it looks really bad on the projector screen/wall.

 

The OP asked three questions, I'll try and answer the second one.

Between the two cards you listed, the Nvidia has higher picture quality (not performance) than the Radeon.

Don't believe me? Radeon 6970M owners check this thread out as well as the picture below:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/572324-r3-color-flickering.html



The image above is not animated at all but appears to be moving. If you switch from the 6970M to the IGP it'll be normal.

Grey flickering is a problem that happens across many switchable ATI/Intel solutions, including the HP TM2 and Envy. The Nvidia solutions do not; their cards use only one connection to the monitor. Specifically, Nvidia Optimus chips pipe their data to the IGP which then goes to the monitor. The ATI chip being on a seperate connection to the monitor has reduced quality across greys from some reason.

That being said, 6970M owners can always switch to the IGP for better quality during editing. I certainly do.

Will Dell or AMD do anything about it? Not likely. Am I upset? Yeah kinda.

 

Thank you guys for the quick responses Dan & Dookie.

Dookie:
So you can attest to the video looking a little off too? Have you ever tried a 1920x1200 laptop? If so, do you prefer the 1080 over the 1200?

Can anyone with the 460GTX tell me if the Nvidia produces similar video degradation w/ youtube or other videos/mpgs/avis?

TY!

 

What dookie is describing is the effect scaling has on LCDs and has nothing to do with the 6970M. Any low res video shown on full screen at non-native res will look like that.

 

I do attest that the video is off. But this is prolly simply cuz everything's "blown up" and looks more pixelated I guess. I have never seen a 1200p in my entire life, so no idea. I actually prefer 900p over 1080p, because I have no use for all this desktop space LOLZ. But I opted for 1080p during my purchase cuz I wanted to spoil myself for any movies I might buy in the future, and for PS3-in.

 

You guys should try madVR if you get a chance. However, you can't directly pipe Youtube videos though it unless you download them first.

 

ShadowYani,
This is incredible. Thanks for the information.
I am extremely unhappy with the quality of the AMD Radeon 9670.

I guess that's what happens when low end companies buy high end ones, high end product quality becomes sub-standard.

I wish AMD will pay for a replacement GPU from Nvidia
Anyone know how easy/difficult it is to swap GPUs on the R3?

Dookie: you should definitely check out a 1920x1200 screen if you get the chance.

 

So I take it you can see the grey flickering? Finally someone's noticing what I've noticed

I mean its a pretty big deal it happens across every AMD/Intel switchable solution I've ever seen; the AMD card always has the lower grey performance than the Intel.

 

I don't see any flickering. Your picture looks like black/grey/black/grey/black/grey bars to me, and if I look at it long enough (2-3 seconds), it looks like one of those optical illusions where it's moving slightly like flowing water? Unlessssssss, that's what you're talking about, and if I didn't have a bad gpu I should be seeing that image as ONE solid color/NOT MOVING picture?????? Or was that a screenshot?

 

Its not supposed to move at all. Switch to your intel card and look at how still it is. Its not really the fault of a bad GPU as much as it is a flaw in connector designs.

 

I switched to the IGP. It looks about the same. It's totally trippy though, cuz it looks like it's breathing. Is that what you intended me to see while on the GPU or while on the IGP, and if yes, is this a problem that should be addressed via replacement/refund/in-home-service???

 

It should be perfectly still on the IGP, flickering on the 6970M.

It behaves the same way on my HP TM2.

There's no optical trickery in that picture.

 

When you say flickering, I was imagining like blinking or flashing. All I see is that the image moves slowly sorta like water in a pond or a lake. Wat did you actually mean though?

 

If its slow moving on both your IGP and your 6970M then either your monitor has a slow grey to grey response time (definitely a possible that our R3s have different LCDs) or there's something with your eyes.

If you view that picture through your IGP there should be no movement at all. On the 6970M there's literal flickering, similar to pointing a camcorder at a computer screen but with less magnitude.

 

Oh, I know what you're talking about now. Kinda like when we watch tv, and the camera man points it as a tv or a computer screen, and you see the lines/bars flowing down the screen really fast, right? Nah, I don't see that. I just see that the picture is playing trix on me, sorta like optical illusions that seem like the picture is "flowing" or bending or something--that's what I see on IGP or GPU. Must be me eyez

 

I'm running a single refurb 5870 on an R2... no flicker, just a black and grey box. Not sure I could handle what you're talking about. I mean, it probably isn't noticeable all the time... but still, I do alot of video editing and I don't want to be freaking out inbetween frames wondering of that flicker is my screen or on the feed. Can't have that. Good to know that info if I go with the m18x.

Sounds like NVIDA 460's it is... I've always liked NVIDIA better anyways. In my opinion, when installing a new one - the drivers and such are always easier to dink with and keeping them updated and using the interface is easier and better laid out. That's my expericne... however, my first card was NVIDIA so maybe it's just what I "know" and like from experience.

I just know that I've had more problems with the 5870's than any other card I've owned. For the most part they run fantastic, but getting them tweaked just right was a major head ache and of course when I got mine - I had dual 5870's and the drivers and bios didn't work right with the R2 and it was a major major headache.

So anyways, good info here on the flicker. Good to know. Thanks for sharing. As much as I want the performance of the 6970's (accoring to many other posters) I think the 460s will work better for my needs/wants and since I don't run any fancy games - I think they will run just fine with a decked out processor and 16g of ram.

 

R3 6970M here, I don't have this problem.

Thanks

 

I'm glad that I picked GeForce over ATI because I used had notebook with ATI and hated it.

 

Im looking at it with my gtx 470 on my 1200p monitor and it seems to be.. breathing to me too

 

At 60Hz, the picture is stable without flicker. However, at 40hz, it is flickering... Please check to make sure your 6970 is running at 60Hz.

 

Yup that was the first thing I checked. I'm going to have a Dell tech check out the flicker.

 

So do we have his problem? No, right? CUz yesterday he described it as like the lines flowing down the screen when you see on tv they're showing a computer screen in the background.

How do you check this?

 

Dell tech is coming to swap the GPU. I was told its something they see occasionally they can't really tell me what causes it; only that they swap the GPU when it occurs. I wish there was a way I could post the flickering but it can't be captured on or off-screen. Only the people who actually see the flickering can know what I mean; its not just simply a "breathing" effect but an actual and literal (very rapid) flicker.

It happens on my Envy as well as my TM2.

 

i notice some flickering when using my igp, the brightness level changes suddenly and yur like ?! but this happens very rarely i haven't used my m17x r3 alot yet so il check it out.

As for my 6970 it looks absolutely clear, no flickering whatsoever if there is il be sure to let you guys know