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    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by raFaeLTx, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. raFaeLTx

    raFaeLTx Notebook Guru

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    Hello friends ....
    I have a doubt and wanted his help!
    I have a R3, was using a 240GB VERTEX 3. After many settings was good. Some randons BSDO, nothing very serious. Now my brother wants a SSD and was willing to stick with my 240GB for your notebook since it only one HD input. I would buy a new 120gb only wanted an opinion of you . At this time there is any better than the SSD Vertex 3?

    SSD What to choose to my R3?

    -> Vertex 3 MAX IOPS
    -> CRUCIAL M4
    -> Kingston HyperX
    -> Intel 510

    And to improve the performance is better?
    2 or 120GB SSD RAID 0
    1 240GB?

    Thanks for Your Help!!
     
  2. Brabostaan

    Brabostaan Notebook Deity

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    Crucial M4. Doesnt make sense to run SSD's in raid.

    SSD for os and regular HDD for data.
     
  3. TostitoBandito

    TostitoBandito Notebook Evangelist

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    Second the crucial m4. And no, RAID 0 SSD's doesn't make much sense. Yes you get nice disk bench scores, but you will not have much internal storage space (unless you spend a TON of $ on a couple 512 GB SSD's or something). Also, the real-world noticible performance gain of going from a HDD to an SSD is much greater than going from an SSD to RAID 0 SSD's.

    There's a lot of stuff that you need to store but doesn't benefit at all from being on an SSD. Images, videos, music, documents, many applications, etc... Unless money is no object, get an HDD for secondary internal storage.
     
  4. raFaeLTx

    raFaeLTx Notebook Guru

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    If the performance gain is not so good I get a disc with just the same. I already have a 750GB 7200k as the second disk and other 2x USB 1024GB for photos, movies, music and games.

    the TostitoBandito you have a 128gb CRUCIAL M4 is not it?
    The abnormality in the system, loss of performance, BSDO these things?

    Would place a photo screen in CrystalDiskMark, ...?

    thank you! ;)

    Anyone else?
     
  5. Joe85

    Joe85 Notebook Deity

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    Go with the Crucial and a secondary HDD
     
  6. Jas71

    Jas71 Notebook Evangelist

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    HyperX SSD. If you liked the speed of the Vertex 3, the HyperX is supposed to be faster. I also agree with SSD for OS and HDD for data. Remember that one of the ports on the R3 is not always SATA III 6Gb/s, so you would be limiting the speed there with a RAID 0 setup.
     
  7. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    HyperX is SandForce though so there is a small chance of instability such as freezes and BSODs. LPM may fix this but I have no experience here.
     
  8. ValkerieFire

    ValkerieFire God Follower

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    My M4 works great. The 128gb is currently $160 and the 256gb is $390. Great prices.
     
  9. Lanscaper

    Lanscaper Notebook Consultant

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    I bought the Crucial M4 as per many people suggesting it on the forums. Just make sure it is using firmware version 0002 and not 0001. The firmwrae updates for the different drives from crucial are easily found here if you go this route.

    Oh yeah, forgot to say it works quite well ;)

    * And thx Brabostaan :) Just updated to firmware 0009 now thx to you... I didn't even think to look (edited this post rather then throwing an off topic bump on the thread)
     
  10. Brabostaan

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    Firmware 0009 is out, improve's the speed with a couple of MB's. ;)
     
  11. Jas71

    Jas71 Notebook Evangelist

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    He just used a Vertex 3 so he should be familiar with and not apposed to the tweaks needed to use a Sandforce drive.
     
  12. raFaeLTx

    raFaeLTx Notebook Guru

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    after many forums my VTX 3 was good!
    But I still came across as very rare BSDO downtime, which makes me upset sometimes.
    Kingston HyperX SSD is already using? If so, recommend?
    Crucial though the M4 is sounding pretty good to me I see!
    Even more out of a SandForce ....
     
  13. qohelet

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    You made me confused :confused: :(
     
  14. Jas71

    Jas71 Notebook Evangelist

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    I am not using the HyperX in my R3. I suggest the 510 but if you want to save a bit of money the M4 is great from what I hear.
     
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    M4 all the way! :) Very fast.
     
  16. raFaeLTx

    raFaeLTx Notebook Guru

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    After your help I opted for Crucial 120GB m4.
    Still thank you all here again. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
     
  17. SlickDude80

    SlickDude80 Notebook Prophet

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    i just want to add to this thread...

    the Crucial M4 is an interesting choice since it uses a Marvell controller.

    The issues most people have with the Sandforce 2281 controllers stem from combining it with 25nm NAND memory.

    I personally use Patriot Wildfires in my desktops. Very fast..and very stable.

    The Patriot Wildfire and OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS are the only Sandforce drives to use 34nm Toshiba Toggle NAND...and they don't seem to suffer from the same problems.
     
  18. SlickDude80

    SlickDude80 Notebook Prophet

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    oh and i will be using a Patriot Wildfire in my M17x R3 when it gets delivered
     
  19. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    Did not know this. Very good information. Thank you will be getting a patriot soon as despite the Max IOPs being a tad stabler, I still don't think OCZ are reliable.
     
  20. SlickDude80

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    Give the Patriot Wildfires a try...they are blazing fast and very stable. They do cost a little more, but I guess you get what you pay for.

    With regards to OCZ, i don't think that they are any more or less reliable compared to other drives with Sandforce controllers. But the perception is that they are more problematic because OCZ ships a lot of drives. So percentage wise, they may have the same failure rate, but they may seem more problematic simply due to the volume of OCZ SSD's out there.

    I shake my head when someone tells me that OCZ SSD's are terrible, but then they tell me the Corsair 3's they picked up are marvelous (They are essentially the same drive :D lol).
     
  21. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    Haha ok. Your statement is probably true. People do need to cut OCZ some slack. I may get the Wildfire if I can my question is do all SandForce drives require the LPM fix?
     
  22. SlickDude80

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    Are you referring to disabling LPM in the registry? I did not do this for my drives and they are working outstanding

    i think as a rule of thumb, you shouldn't do anything unless you are experiencing slow performance or frequent hiccups/freezing

    The official line from Patriot with regards to the Wildfire SSD's is that they are plug and play. No tweaking required. I know in reality, this might not be possible for some