Upgrade 1600x900 for 1920x1080 3D

Good afternoon, I am Brazilian, so excuse my English! I have an alienware m17xr4 with 1600x900 screen
I bought the screen this link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAPTOP-LCD-...-Full-HD-3D-/171706682532?hash=item27fa840ca4

Does anyone know tell me if it's 100% compatible? One guy said that my'll need a 3D emitter cable for use with this screen, otherwise it will not work

Can someone confirm me whether I really need this issuer 3d?
Link esmissor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-Gen...XX7CM-WWKT6-/301723050398?hash=item464018619e

I will also need this cable ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Genuine...JD3N-02JD3N-/111141341845?hash=item19e08a4a95

 

Hi, screen looks fine to me. You don't need the emitter unless you want to use NV 3D glasses and the cable looks correct.

Have you looked through the 'sticky' on this stuff: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/120hz-3d-screen-upgrade-for-alienware-17.758711/ ?

It's a lot of info but basically the same for your model...

 

Good evening, I was totally in doubt about the screen, it had already bought, so I ended up buying the sender and LVDS cable follows the links below all the pieces I bought, I can confirm that everything will be 100%? All parts are compatible? My Alienware is m17xr4

Links of purchased parts

LVDS: http: // www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Genuine...JD3N-02JD3N-/111141341845 hash = item19e08a4a95?

ISSUER: http: // www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-Gen...-/301723050398 hash = & item464018619e rmvSB = true

LCD: http: // www.ebay.com/itm/LAPTOP-LCD-...-Full-HD-3D-/171706682532 hash = item27fa840ca4

All esssas parts will work 100% on my r4 m17r? I can rest easy?

Sorry about my English

 

You can utilize the the 1080p 120hz screen , but you can't utilize the 3D part of the screen. Here is the reason why. You also need the special glass that is covering the lcd so the 3D will work.
One other issue is replacing the LCD itself , as the glass is glued onto the bezel.

You would need patient, heat gun and a thin flat bar to pry out the glass to install the screen.

 

All parts that are then bought 100% compatible? Can I be relieved?
I have no preference that the 3d work, just want the screen to operate in FULL HD

 

It should work. I don't remember the last time i changed out the screen in the m17x r4. Been awhile , but you have all the correct parts. I still have my 3D screen attached to the bezel.

oh look here it is from my for sale thread long time ago.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sold-fs-alienware-m17x-r3-120hz-3d.735846/

if you don't pull the glass out carefully , your screen will look like mine. ( I still have this screen , but laptop was sold with a new full screen)

 

So theoretically all the pieces I bought are 100% compatible? No need to worry about it?

To get the glass I'll use a hair dryer and a stylus, warming will double the face gradually and I'm dropping with stylus

 

I would recommend a flat piece to slide underneath the glass. What i used was a metal nail filer,

 

I will use a small blade, such as a small knife, here in Brazil we call stylus. Can be?

Regarding parts, all are 100% compatible with my m17x r4?

 

It's an eDP cable, so make sure to plug it into the right connector. Your panel is also eDP, so that's good.

Yes, except the 3D bit.

Off-topic:
Even with emitter and glasses 3D wouldn't have worked on the R4 according to this thread ( @j95 ): Need help with screen upgrade. OP has an LP173WF2-TPA1 (id LGD02C5) and R4+3D would require a SEC5044, which is an LTN173HT02-*01. The *01 could be D01, P01 or T02. T01 may work too, but C01 certainly doesn't. It all seems a bit arbitrary ... although the TPA1 is 50-pin and the *01's are 40-pin eDP. Yet ... the mb connectors are both 44-pin and 40-pin 3D works too, only on a different system ... some clues:

Thinking ... if it does use whitelisting, then it'll look only at the panel's header (Lenovo and Sony do this, too). So if we flash an LGD02C5-edid-with-SEC5044-header; 3D approved! Reverse, too, if that's locked out as well:

AW 3D panels with spoofed edids.7z

(consider that as ' research byproduct' )

 

What I need to know is : All parts bought will work on my m17x r4 ? All are compatible ? I do not care 3d effect , I only use the full hd ! All I bought dara right to use the full hd ?

 

Yes (fourth time).

 

I upgraded my M17x r4 (from 720p to 1080p 3D 120hz LGD02C5) and kept the NVidia GTX 660M that was already in the r4. The screen works great in 1080p 120hz but the 3D never enables even though I have all the drivers installed. I get the same NVStWiz: "This laptop's panel is not qualified for 3D Vision". I set up the monitor in device manager with an r3 EDID file but still no luck. t456's posting gives me hope that maybe I can get 3D to activate with the spoofed EDID file mentioned below? But the link is no longer valid. Can someone repost this LGD02C5 with SEC5044 header file for me to try? Thanks.

 

I searched SEC5044 INF in Google and it found this file:
forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/ sec5044-ltn173ht02p01-inf-txt.127345

I used device manager -> ugdate monitor driver -> have disk and forced installed that one. But still it says my panel is not 3D.
In device manager I have only the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M listed ( latest NVIDIA driver 21.21.13.7254 8/11/2016 ), and for Monitor I have only "Samsung SEC5044 (SEC5044 EDID Override)" listed. [ Even though it is actually an LGD02C5 panel ]

NVIDIA Control Panel (System Information) for Display shows:
GeForce GTX 660M
Driver Version: 372.54
Video BIOS version: 80.07.57.00.02

 

Re-uploaded and linked the files in the earlier post.

Not sure if header-only is sufficient. The edid is only 128 or 256 bytes, so it's perfectly possible it needs to match 100% (since it's a small feat to whitelist the thing completely). If so then it'd require flashing the complete SEC5044 edid. This is perfectly safe since all the important specifications are more-or-less identical between the two panels. Might yield a slightly different gamut, but that can be compensated for with the graphics driver.

Flashing is very different from using an inf or registry override; chances are the bios (or vbios) looks at the data as stored in the lcd itself, not whatever the OS reports the display to be. So try the inf first and flashing the edid second. If that is beyond your comfort zone then it's also possible to reverse the process; mod bios or vbios to whitelist the LGD02C5 edid. But, of course, that means flashing a modified bios or vbios.

Hmm ... or the lcd-check could simply be done within the driver itself. Do a 'hex search in files' for all the extracted driver files for '00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00' and the same for the unpacked bios and vbios and we'll know for certain where that ' This panel is not qualified ...' gets its data from.

 

Thanks for trying to help. I downloaded the files. None of the INF files solved my problem.
I am not sure what software to use on Windows 7 to write the BIN files to my screen...

I installed Powerstrip software...
When I do "Read data directly from monitor" I get "DDC communication with the monitor failed or is not supported. Reverting to EDID data provided provided by Windows and the display driver, if available."

 

Also, I am not totally sure what you suggested for the hex search...
I did a hex search of \x00FFFFFFFFFFFF00
in all files in c:\windows\system32, c:\window\syswow64, & c:\program files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\ but it didn't find that pattern in anything (I guess that is EDID header?)

Do I need to read the vBIOS out of my VGA card and scan that?

I guess I can download the system BIOS from Dell's support site if that is helpful.

 

Also, FWIW, I see this old thread where someone was trying to hack the BIOS to do what I need:

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...nvidia-680m-compatibility-with-3d-controller/

(In my case it is an GTX 660M, not 680M though. )


Another thread on this topic:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...vision-still-doesnt-work.717602/#post-9190331

 

Yes, that's usually the result with most laptop lcds. You can flash it with certain linux tools. However, before you do the actual flash, run 'sudo i2cdump -r 0- 255 6 0x50'. replacing 6 and 0x50 with the values applicable to your system. Reason is that the SEC5044 edid is 256 bytes and the LGD02C5 only 128 bytes, hence there's a risk writing the SEC5044 will overwrite other data stored beyond the LG's 128 byte edid.

Yes, exactly.

Both would be useful, but already happen to have a decompressed bios. Didn't search that yet, though.

Yes, well ... doesn't actually matter where the display check is taking place; if you succeed in flashing the SEC5044 edid then, for all intents and purposes, the LG is a Samsung.

There is once caveat, however; an identical screen can have different edids. That's why some supposedly g-sync approved panels didn't have g-sync; their edid didn't match the one whitelisted in the vbios (or bios). Don't know whether this specific SEC5044 will work since we haven't yet found the edid check in bios or vbios. Easier is to ask some M17x R4 owner with working 3D to dump their SEC5044 edid (eg, with MonInfo, the edid being the 'Raw data' part).

 

Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I gather a number of smart people already tried to solve this problem, and gave up already. When I put my r3 3D LG screen on my r4 chassis, I just assumed it would work, and didn't know (util now) that others had already posted doing similar and finding that the 3D wouldn't enable.

If I was able to get a proper Samsung EDID bin from a legit r4 "gen 2" Samsung panel, how would I flash that onto my LG "gen 1" panel? I thought maybe Powerstrip would work, but it doesn't seem able to even read the EDID from my current panel.
Would I have to physically connect the screen to a different machine (perhaps even a linux box) to be able to reflash the EDID?

 

No, just follow the instructions;

1. create bootable usb stick with linux+tools
2. boot usb stick (live os)
3. flash edid (run the 0-255 dump first)

Iirc the SEC5044 was present in the image, but it doesn't matter; from within the live linux usb stick you'll have access to both local drives and internet (most lan+wifi drivers are included). So could try this edid version first and if it can be flashed, but still says 'incompatible screen' then it's a simple matter of finding the 'approved' version of the edid and flash that.

 

OK, I got that to install and boot, and it could read my panel EDID. (It ended up being on bus 9.) It looks like it has 256 bytes for the EDID, so the 5044 should fit when I try that. I didn't actually write anything yet, because I wanted to check with you first and show you what I saw.

My EDID looks like this:
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f 0123456789abcdef
00: 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 30 e4 c5 02 00 00 00 00 ........0???....
10: 01 14 01 04 95 26 15 78 02 5f 35 a4 58 56 9e 26 ?????&?x?_5?XV?&
20: 0f 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ?PT...??????????
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3a 80 18 71 38 2d 40 58 2c ???????:?? q8-@X,
40: 45 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b d4 9a 80 c8 73 38 24 41 E.~??..?????s8$A
50: 30 20 35 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b d4 9a 80 c8 73 38 0 5.~??..?????s8
60: a8 40 30 20 35 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b d4 9a 80 c8 ?@0 5.~??..?????
70: 73 38 40 40 30 20 35 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b 01 27 s8@@0 5.~??..??'
80: 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ..?.............
90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 fc ...............?

Decoding the info shows this:

root@lubuntu:~/EDID/edid-rw# sudo ./edid-rw 9 | edid-decode
Extracted contents:
header: 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00
serial number: 30 e4 c5 02 00 00 00 00 01 14
version: 01 04
basic params: 95 26 15 78 02
chroma info: 5f 35 a4 58 56 9e 26 0f 50 54
established: 00 00 00
standard: 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
descriptor 1: 02 3a 80 18 71 38 2d 40 58 2c 45 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b
descriptor 2: d4 9a 80 c8 73 38 24 41 30 20 35 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b
descriptor 3: d4 9a 80 c8 73 38 a8 40 30 20 35 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b
descriptor 4: d4 9a 80 c8 73 38 40 40 30 20 35 00 7e d7 10 00 00 1b
extensions: 01
checksum: 27

Manufacturer: LGD Model 2c5 Serial Number 0
Made week 1 of 2010
EDID version: 1.4
Digital display
6 bits per primary color channel
DisplayPort interface
Maximum image size: 38 cm x 21 cm
Gamma: 2.20
Supported color formats: RGB 4:4:4
First detailed timing is preferred timing
Established timings supported:
Standard timings supported:
Detailed mode: Clock 148.500 MHz, 382 mm x 215 mm
1920 2008 2052 2200 hborder 0
1080 1084 1089 1125 vborder 0
+hsync -vsync
Detailed mode: Clock 396.360 MHz, 382 mm x 215 mm
1920 1968 2000 2888 hborder 0
1080 1083 1088 1372 vborder 0
+hsync -vsync
Detailed mode: Clock 396.360 MHz, 382 mm x 215 mm
1920 1968 2000 2888 hborder 0
1080 1083 1088 1248 vborder 0
+hsync -vsync
Detailed mode: Clock 396.360 MHz, 382 mm x 215 mm
1920 1968 2000 2888 hborder 0
1080 1083 1088 1144 vborder 0
+hsync -vsync
Has 1 extension blocks
Checksum: 0x27

Unknown extension block

EDID block does NOT conform to EDID 1.3!
Missing name descriptor
Missing monitor ranges
root@lubuntu:~/EDID/edid-rw#

 

Well, I "bit the bullet", and did this command:

sudo bash ./write-edid-256.sh 9 SEC5044_eDP_dd_2012.bin

It seems to have overwritten the EDID with that one... *and*... It still doesn't get me into 3D mode.
Same error from the NVidia 3D tools saying my panel isn't supported for 3D.

 

You might need to re-install the monitor in windows as well before the driver's aware of the change. At any rate; it can't get it's information anywhere else, the edid is it. However, as mentioned before; there's multiple edid versions for the same panel (only have this version) and we don't know which is being checked for in (v)bios. Try and find someone with a working 3D SEC5044 and ask for the edid (and the vbios while you're at it).

Kudos for managing to get that thing flashed so soon btw, nice job! And yes, it was fine to flash it since the LG also had an extension block (another 128 bytes), which can be deduced from the '01 27' at the end of the first block. The '27' is the checksum and the '01' means there's 1 extra block of 128 bytes. Good news is that the Samsung edid works as expected for the LG panel, so the other SEC5044's are safe to flash as well.

 

So, I deleted the monitor info from windows device manager, and to make sure it wasn't just grabbing it from the registry I used "psexec" utility to run regedit at ultimate superuser and then deleted the HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\DISPLAY key so that there was no more registry info.

I then rebooted my machine.
And it created DISPLAY\LGD02C5 with what appears to be my original EDID back again. So maybe the linux utility didn't actually write out the EDID, or maybe the system somehow reverted the EDID back again. I am going to try reflashing it again with the SEC5044 file and take closer note of exactly what the response said.

 

Yeah, I just tried again. Although the script cruised through saying it was writing all 255 bytes of the 5044 EDID, it then read back the EDID and just got my original info back. So, I guess my EDID is "write protected" (at least from this method.) Is there a way to "un write protect it" or am I SOL for this method?

Plan B will be go back to seeing if there is a way to whitelist this display in the vBIOS (seems like a very long shot), or buy the (not as good) 3D panel designed to go with the r4 model.

 

Hmm... I was reading about sView 3D player here:
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9990&start=30
sView came with some EDID checker that produced this output on my system:

Monitor #0, PnP ID: LGD02C5 (\\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0)
Connected to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M
freq= 120Hz / freqMax= 120Hz / scale= 1.250000

| (0, 0) = (L, Top)
-------------------------------
| |
| (1920 x 1080) = W x H
| |
-------------------------------
| | (1920, 1080) = (R, Bottom)


== Monitor LGD02C5 ============================
== Name:
== Year/Week: 2010/1
== Gamma: 1.120000
== Stereo: No stereo <===== Notice here where is says "No stereo"
== Dimensions: 382.000000 X 215.000000 mm
================= EDID data ===================
00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00|30 E4 C5 02 00 00 00 00
01 14 01 04 95 26 15 78|02 5F 35 A4 58 56 9E 26
0F 50 54 00 00 00 01 01|01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3A|80 18 71 38 2D 40 58 2C
45 00 7E D7 10 00 00 1B|D4 9A 80 C8 73 38 24 41
30 20 35 00 7E D7 10 00|00 1B D4 9A 80 C8 73 38
A8 40 30 20 35 00 7E D7|10 00 00 1B D4 9A 80 C8
73 38 40 40 30 20 35 00|7E D7 10 00 00 1B 01 27
00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00|00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FC
===============================================

Odd that it says "No stereo" because the panel came from an Alienware M17 r3 where it was working for 3D when paired to a GTX 580m
I can see the 3D emitter in the bezel.
The NVidia 3D stereo emitter service is installed and running on my system.

 

Hi, I've been watching this thread with interest .

I went along a similar path trying to get it to work on my X8 after liking the 3D a lot on my R4. I never got to the point of EDID editing (or even looking!), but I did buy a 3d kit thinking that somehow it would work with a 120hz panel, but no. It seems that laptops are fully locked down to a specific machine, card, and panel combination. The 680m should work in the R3 but some licensing scheme appears to come into play.

I had the emitter installed but the panel failed the installer test. Really annoying as when I tried it on a ROG Swift it worked great. I do know that the bios editor guys briefly looked at somehow activating the 3D but it came to naught.
I wish you the best of luck.

 

Strangely enough, that is the same for all 3D panel's edids I've seen.

Just thought of something; the R4 is Optimus, isn't it? If so then the it has to run in dGPU-only in order to flash the edid. Supposedly Optimus can still be disabled on this system, fortunately. Failing even that, due to a hardware lock, then it's also possible to flash it directly with a programmer, same as with rescuing a system with a bricked bios or vbios.

 

In my case, I have disabled the onboard Intel GPU in BIOS, and so my only VGA is the NVidia.
I don't think Optimus is involved here, but some forums I was reading did talk about Optimus issues with the Dell Alienwares. I had hoped I wasn't subject to that since I had the Intel GPU completely disabled, and all graphics go to the NVidia.

Last night I did a bunch of Nvidia driver experimenting, rolling everything back to the old Dell Support site NVidia drivers, trying the latest from NVidia's web site, etc. The results were always the same.

 

On the R3/R4 the panel connection to the MB decides what the bios 'sees', so 120hz panels only pass POST when connected to the correct port. The igpu is never visible so no optimus is possible

 

I gave up on getting this to work, and just bought another M17x r4 with the proper 3D screen...