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    WiDi and WiHD

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by Cloudfire, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    I guess it is because they have added support for it so everything is ready when they decide to add WiHD.

    Wireless 1080p video transmitters could soon be built-in into Alienware laptops.
    Unfortunately, he did not mention when we can expect to see wireless HD integration into Alienware products. It is more than likely, however, that future revisions of the current M11x, M15x, and M17x could very well sport wireless HDMI transmitters. The high-end processors and GPUs in these notebooks should be more than enough to support wireless HD gaming and videos. Hopefully we will hear more about this exciting feature later this year. "

    So that video of that guy testing WiHD out that i linked to in the first post, was just a prototype. Bah!
    Alienware vice president hints at wireless HDMI integration - Notebookcheck.net News
     
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    Good new for 3D R3 owners then. It is possible to stream to your HD TV in 1080i with WiHD. Just need to buy some hardware or wait for Sibeam to be available.

    Good to know, I was feeling kinda bumm that WIMAX would not work on 3D screen R3s. No more cable's. :)
     
  3. spinez

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    Anyone know where I can buy the Netgear Push2TV HD adapter for my TV? I've looked all over the net and can't find it... was supposed to be released already. If not, any other adapters than can take advantage of the WiDi 2.0 tech (Sandy bridge)?

    On an unrelated note, anyone know why if I "search this forum" for "widi" this thread doesn't come up? I've had similar search problems in the past... What am I doing wrong? I had to scroll through 10-11 pages to find this thread.
     
  4. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Ok i have searched around a little for you spinez.
    It seems that Netgear`s Push2TV HD which is capable 1080p is not available yet. "Coming soon" it says on Netgear`s homepage. The Push2TV however is available right now at their homepage and can stream up to 720p.
    You can find information about them here and you can buy the Push2TV:
    Netgear

    I have also been finding more about these technologies lately and there are some other options than Netgear.

    I-O Data WDA-X1 WiDi but it is only sold in Japan. It is a reciever that support up to 1080p. I don`t know how good it works because i have not found any reviews of it.
    I-O Data WDA-X1 Available in Japan | HTPC Reviews - Home Theatre Guide
    Google Oversetter
    Here you can buy it:
    ‰¿Ši.com - IODATA WDA-X1 ‰¿Ši”äŠr

    D-link MainStage a reciever from D-Link that supports up to 1080p which was announced at CES and said to be available in the first half of 2011. So probably anytime soon.
    CES: D-Link joins WiDi wireless display crowd - CES 2011 CNET Blogs
    Yes i know that it says first quarter in this article but D-link`s homepage says first half of 2011

    So there you have it. Either buy the Netgear Push2TV and be satisfied with 720p or buy the WDA X1 from Japan and get 1080p. Or wait until Push2TV HD and D-link MainStage is released ;)
     
  5. revdiesel

    revdiesel Notebook Evangelist

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    Sorry if this question has been answered, I just did a quick skim of the earlier pages. I am getting a M14x that has the - WirelessHD Experience Bundle

    Internal 60GHz WirelessHD Transmitter and VIZIO XWH200 Universal Wireless HD Video and Audio Kit [$288.99]
    Convert your entire A/V setup with WirelessHD technology!


    I am a little confused though after looking at the pictures of that vizio kit. It shows the WiHD receiver which I understand and thought was all you need. But then it also shows what looks to be a WiHD out little box along with the reciever.

    My question is.. with this kit do I have to have my laptop plugged into something to transmit the HD off of my laptop to the receiver? If so I think that would be lame. Plus who has a 3" HDMI cable to go from my laptop to the transmitter? If not why is there that extra part in the kit??

    Without the Vizio part its "Internal WirelessHD Transmitter

    Internal 60GHz WirelessHD Transmitter [Add $99.00]"
     
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    Typecast NBR's Tamed Zombie

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  7. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    I think i know what the options are.
    "Internal 60GHz WirelessHD Transmitter and VIZIO XWH200 Universal Wireless HD Video and Audio Kit" consist of 1 transmitter, 1 reciever and 1 remote controller. The transmitter have 4 HDMI inputs where you can plug in DVD/Blueray players, PS3s etc. The reciever have 1 output, HDMI, that you plug in the TV. With the remote control you can switch which one of the 4 connected devices you want to view on the TV.
    Here you have the kit: Amazon.com: VIZIO XWH200 Universal Wireless HD Video and Audio Kit (Black): Electronics

    You do not have to plug the laptop to anything because it have a Internal 60GHz WirelessHD Transmitter inside the laptop that works as a wireless network card. Both of the options on Dell homepage have this transmitter. All you need is a reciever by the TV and a cable between the TV and the reciever. Or if you have one of them fancy HDTVs with integrated WiHD reciever inside you won`t need anything.

    Cheers ;)
     
  8. TheProphetofDoom

    TheProphetofDoom Notebook Consultant

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    At the CES 2011 show the Alienware rep mentioned you could also stream 3D wirelessly to a 3DTV. To do so I am not sure if you need the 460M and 120Hz screen because you are not watching it on the laptop but on a 3DTV.

    YouTube - Dell Alienware M17X R3
     
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    Ok thanks guys!
     
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    Well, Our r3's are still powerful than those 14" inchers. :D
     
  12. Cloudfire

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    Yeah according to Dell`s homepage the WiHD transmitter is able to send 3D to your 3D display/TV. It doesn`t matter what type of screen you have on your laptop though, but you will need a GPU that is able to run 3D. M14x have the Nvidia GT 555M which supports 3D. GTX 460M is not available with M14x but it does also support 3D.

    "The WirelessHD display mini-card option transmits data at up to 4 Gbps. This provides enough bandwidth to support full resolution streaming of 3D video content and games."
     
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    So for those of us whom are in a country where WiHD is not a purchase option on something like the M14x - it is possible to purchase a 5HT44 WiHD Card (DMC/SiBeam) and install it into our machine, thus granting WiHD?

    If this is the case it will save me the trouble trying to buy a USA model and having it shipped through a freight forwarder.
     
  14. ECKS

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    Any word on when this will be available for R3 users? I'm not gonna get it, but I'm sure others would be very interested.
     
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    No news yet.. It might be available the same date as m18x, who knows..
     
  16. BigBlondeViking

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    Just looked at the m17x R3 on US sites... WirelessHD is now available! in the same flavors as the m14x

    Update:
    Confirmed with Parts Sales:
    Agent (Jeff K): "That is only available at the time of purchase, unfortunately."
    Agent (Jeff K): "It is an internal component."
    Me: "so there is no location to attatch this card to mobo? its built into the mobo?"
    Agent (Jeff K): "Thats correct."
     
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    So how does one upgrade the R3 to have WiHD capabilities? I don't feel like reordering it now that the option is available. Can't I just buy the internal transmitter and a receiver by myself?
     
  18. shadowyani

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    CSR doesn't know what he's talking about. Its a module.

    Documentation

    :D

    However, he's probably right about it being only available during the time of purchase.
     
  19. BigBlondeViking

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    Yea, I kind assume no one over there knows what they are talking about... its sad...

    I do hope they will allow them for sale... I wont return mine for it... but i would pay $10 premium for it...
    my wife uses the crappy version ( intel wireless display, on her Asus bamboo + netgear ) and loves it... except for the lag and the CPU performance hit...

    Would like to see the 10ms latency in action :p
     
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    internal wireless hd card part #: 5HT44 was $98.30 shipped with tax.

    enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  21. Geoffxx

    Geoffxx Notebook Evangelist

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    but buying the card does not get you going, you need the RX unit that plugs into the target TV and I've been unable to find these without a kit which you don't need
     
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    It's either buying the receiver from Dell which is bundled in a kit anyway or buying that same Vizio kit off amazon.
     
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    Just to confirm 100%, you are saying that those of us with the M17x R3 who ordered before this WirelessHD card option was available can simply order this part as you just posted and then get the receiver kit from somewhere else to get the same setup? Thanks.
     
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    yes you can buy the wireless hd card separately but you will still need to buy the vizio receiver too for the tv.
     
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    Awesome, just didn't want to think that I needed to deal with sending this awesome laptop back that I just got on Friday if I wanted to have this other WirelessHD option at some point. Thanks for the info.
     
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    I tore my R3 apart during the optical hdd drive caddy conversion i did not note any antenna dedicated to the WIHD connection slot. Am i missing it or when you order the card does it come with the antenna. I will be picking my WIDI push2tv adapter (v1) from ups after i get back from my trip but i wanted also get the WIHD adapter but from all appearances to me the antenna is flat not there. I see one extra wire but from what i hear its is for the third antenna of the 6300 wireless. I cannot believe a single antenna wire can push 60ghz.
     
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    ^^ that's actually a very valid question! Good catch there exocet!
    Just like when you order the R3 with the basic wifi option you only get two wifi antennae cables as opposed to three when you order the intel 6300 card, those of us that ordered without the WiHD transmitter might be missing the antenna cable for it.
     
  28. BigBlondeViking

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    I will order it today, if i can find a receiver.

    I don't need the transmitter that comes in the Visio solution... just the receiver.

    Any one have good suggestion on a good only receiver solution?
     
  29. Geoffxx

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    anyone else confirm the wires are not in there, I don't have the tools right now to look myself
     
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    I did not see it in mine. Perhaps i don't know what to look for. Because mine did not seem to have anything that i could tell resembled a 60ghz antenna. The service manual pictures suck balls so i cant tell wth the antenna looks like but i did find what i believe is a extra wifi lead for the 6300 wireless. Unless others get a different revision some one is just going to have to be the guinea pig and see if the adapter comes with the antenna. Good luck getting the info from dell. The sales people have no idea what they are selling.
     
  31. Wolfbyday

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    I can confirm it. If you bought yours before the WiHD option was available, the antenna/connector cable will not be in there. Plus it's wired into the display panel, so even if you can get the transmitter card, no cable-no joy.
    Also found out that *supposedly* any WiHD receiver can work, it doesn't need to be the exact one you can get bundled in from Dell (all though good luck finding just a receiver).
     
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    Oh well, probably just saved me some money on something that I really wouldn't use enough to justify it anyway :) I don't really want to hassle with a return just to add that when the Widi 2.0 solution will work fine for most of my needs, and if I ever really want to I can just go with another WHDI or WirelessHD transmitter solution that plugs into USB and can be put into my laptop backpack for travel.
     
  33. Wolfbyday

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    Dell does have a kit like that from IOGear. It's only 30ft range and 720p, but it's small and seems easy to deal with. The transmitter looks about the size of a memory stick.
    Just a suggestion for later.

    Lucky you for the WiDi, those of us with the 3d vision can't even use that :(
    Dell keeps insisting it still works cuz the models they have set up have it working. What the goobers don't know is the ones they have are a slightly different build than what customers can get, with a different version proc and an extra antenna. Found that out by talking to an actual engineer (how I got that lucky i have no idea)
     
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    Does this mean that you have to watch the same content on the laptop screen as you do on the TV? I have heard that you can multitask at the same time with WiHD. Maybe the SiBeam transmitter is built that way?
     
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    here is the parts you need for the internal widi:

    5HT44 WiHD Card (DMC/SiBeam)
    39PKF Sibeam Antenna Module (Includes Antenna)
     
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    Have you actually installed this and confirmed its working? And how much is the antenna module part?
     
  37. Geoffxx

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    sounds like a major lot of disassembly to get the whole thing installed, not impossible for those confident to do it but probably out of range for most.
     
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    Bump. Would like to know if anyone has attempted this yet...
     
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    5HT44 WiHD Card (DMC/SiBeam) - 99$
    39PKF Sibeam Antenna Module (Includes Antenna) - 99$

    Prices were given to me by a sales rep, he also informed me there's shortage of the parts and they are not available right now.
     
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    Has anyone gotten WiDi to work? I bought the PTV2000 tonight, but everytime I try to connect it hangs on connecting and the widi program freezes. I think it might be because of the old intel drives that come with the AMD ones but I haven't found a way to install the new intel ones on dells site
    thanks
     
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    I still cannot get my WiDi to work either. I've used the Critical Update on the Netgear site, loaded new Wifi drivers, and the new WiDi update and I still get this message about Unable to send desktop to device. Did you find a way to get it working yet?
     
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