i7 720qm to 940xm

I'm not sure how else to explain it. It is not grease, it's a TIM pad. I have them in my hand, I took pictures of it. .

this is thermal grease



this is a TIM pad



they are *not* the same.

 

whatever. Someone else will tell you that you are wrong later.I have personally open both my r1 and r2 both of them have thermal paste on the cpu and gpu.There is no argument that you can make to make yourself right.there are thermal pads on the memory of the gpu but the cpu has no pad on it period(there might be a pad attached to the heat sink but this does not contact the cpu) I have seen it with my own eyes.Unless they use pads on some and paste on others (that is laughable)you are wrong don't worry it wasn't the first time you were wrong and it will not be the last.

 

Sup guys been reading up on cooling solutions and would it be less of a hassle instead of adding paste just buying a NZXT CRYO LX and some Ram Heat Spreaders that prob drop it 10C or more maybe? ima do some benching tuesday when i get my m17x

 

You don't have to change the thermal paste, its just a way of decreasing the temps. Your going to need some really good cooling if you plan on overclocking the m17x A cryo would do it, but you might want more.

 

In a sense hes right, the pad hes referinv too isnt a white pad on the gpu, its a thermal pad that can be confused with paste. Yes, it can be scraped off and removed with a solvent but isnt classified as paste. I think technically it should be a paste due to its texture. The pad is nothing more than a really dried out paste and cut into "pads". So when lozz refers to this pad, hes taking it literal and not what we actually see on the cpu chip itself. Also that pad/ dried thermal paste is garbage no matter what you want to call it. Its a corporate shorcut, its easier to slpat that "pad" on their than to have to apply paste to every chip, and cheaper. Although i would still call it a crappy paste, just a more convienient applivation process.

 

Oh ok sweet im just planning on keeping my i720qm on turbo not manual overclock there some sweet vids on youtube show how to change paste seems real simple lol i do gaming alot man like all day so i might consider adding all 3 cooling upgrades.

 

Lol, so much confusion just because someone decided to argue for the sole purpose of arguing.

Let's make this clear:

GPU and CPU cores have paste on them. Whether to replace it or not - up to you. Whatever you do - don't replace paste with pads!

GPU memory has pads on it, if you decide to replace those - do it with pads ( never use paste on GPU mem.)

That pad on the R2 CPU heatsink is not directly connected to the CPU, so disregard it to avoid further confusion.

 

thats what I said.

 

^^^
Just to clarify it for the those still in doubts

 

Regarding thermal paste does anyone know what kind is used on the new m17x being build recently

 

Dunno what stock paste they use but you can surely improve the temps with MX-3/AS-5/ICD/OCZ-Freeze/etc.
Personally I tried MX-3 and AS-5 on M17X (CPU), both with similar results - up to 10C lower (@load) than the stock paste Dellianware used.

 

If I'm wrong, so is wikipedia

And so is AMD
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/26951.pdf

notice how AMD call's their pads Phase Change Thermal Pads? And what is it that I have in pad form right in front of me?
http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/blmlozz/100_1286.jpg
and how do they apply them?
http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/blmlozz/100_1287.jpg
those are identical (except maybe composition) to the Dell pads on the R2. Honestly, this stuff only happens in NBR. If you tried to argue this in EOCF you'd be laughed out of the thread.

And apparently, tomshardware doesn't know that those thermal pads are acutaly grease. Silly tom.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p4,919-6.html

the pads in the R2 are not in liquid form fyi. Keep talking however, you're just proving your own ignorance.

 

Where can I find the best current deal on a 940xm?

edit: I see they are not out yet, and they look like around $1,000, maybe a 920xm will work

 

doesn't matter your still wrong.lmao

 

Right.. and so is wikipedia, and AMD, and Tomshardware.. you can call it whatever you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's a pad, not grease. Why don't you provide some evidence other than your distorted opinion to back up your claim instead of spewing this ignorance? Ohh I see, you can't, because you're wrong. NP.

At least I'm proving facts rather than ranting. Something you have not done from the beginning. It's okay, most trolls do that.

 

My eyes prove the fact that it is a paste that they apply to the gpu core and cpu core I have seen it and removed it and changed it.so go ahead and put a thermal pad on your cpu and gpu core and let us know how it goes.

 

Hey have u tried TX-3 i hear it hard to apply or is there a easy method?
Newegg.com - Tuniq TX-3 Extreme Performance and Exceptional Reliability Thermal Compound

 

Please, stop confusing people with those quotes.

Not every solid to the touch substance on a heatsink is a pad.

Most pastes become quite solid and difficult to remove when they dry

If you ever apply ICD-24 or similar products and try removing it later - you'll see my point.

Anyway, if you wish to prove something - prove it to yourself first, explore, try.
But the first step in learning is to stop thinking that you know better.

 

As far as being a troll I let my number of post and rep speak for itself.lozz or loser or whatever I just want people to not put thermal pads on the cpu so they dont screw up their system.the stuff dell uses is a paste do not use thermal pads on cpu.

 

Never tried it, but if you do - store the tube sealed tight or it may become unusable later on (same happened to my MX-3 )

 

actually, it is unless of course, the definition of grease, liquid, or paste has changed within the last hour. The fact that it's a perfect square facilitates this. Unless of course, dell created a machine to dispense perfect level squares of paste onto the GPU and CPU. I rather doubt this. Whatever though. I've proven my points, distributed evidence but the butt kissing contest is too great for me to handle in this situation so I'll stop arguing since it's going no where. I suspect short of a phone call to an experienced dell tech support agent to retrieve the pad part number nothing is going to convince you or the other person otherwise. Then you'll probably just argue that it's fake or Thermal pad really means thermal paste. Either way, neither of you have shown me any sort of factual evidence to support your arguments other than your opinion, which means exactly squat.


edit:
There *is* one last thing I would like to add.
page 80
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/Alw_M17xR2/en/SM/sm_en.pdf

page 84 under installing new processor

that's it, I swear.. I won't post ever again in this thread.

 

Actually, you're not far from being correct
They use a specific method of applying perfect squares of paste like most other vendors. Do you really think they would waste their time for "spreading" and "grain" methods?

Most heatsinks actually come with a thermal compound (your perfect square) on them.

 

I'll break my promise this once since my edit was a few Minutes after your post. This time really though. I swear and no, they do not have a machine to do this. Don't make me spend an hour calling them up to get the pad part number.

yeah.. it's called a thermal pad.

 

Well if you're locked with the " square=pad" concept - be my guest, hehe, but please, stop confusing others. Someone can actually replace the GPU mem pads with paste because of it and destroy their systems.

My goal is to try eliminate the possible confusion.
Yours (as it looks) is to prove your point (regardless of whether it's wrong or right), as always, I might add.
In most other cases I'd ignore such comments, but not when it's dangerous for others to follow your statements.

 

okay you can go ahead and call me a liar.

Again, please point me to where I have suggested this. If a person decided to take it upon themselves to do this, I don't see how it's my fault. Thermal Gap pads and TIM pads are very different, it's impossible to confuse them. Unless of course we're assuming that this person has the IQ of a 4th grader, to which they should not be opening up their M17X anyway.

The M17X R2's service manual does not specify if it's square. It says replace the thermal pads by peeling back the protective film (like in the pictures I posted previously of the pads I have in my possession)
Dell's own service manual calls them Thermal pads, not grease, not pre-applied squares by the big machine. They call them Pads.
Motherboard Replacement (6400/e1505) Therm ... ... Hi all, Dell has sent me a new motherboard since my old motherboard was emitting a high pitch whining sound u ...
Richard B(from dell) calls them thermal pads. They're obviously individually packaged since that person did not receive a new one and he went ahead and sent one out to him.


if you make me call up dell to get the part number. I will not be happy. and I'll do it! D=

 

Just going to add something to this. Dell did actually give me a thermal pad on my cpu once after a M1530 heatsink replacement. I was rather skeptical, but it ended up running cooler than it did with the AS5 I had on it before then.

I guess it all depends on the quality of the thermal pad. That said, if I was ever to do it myself, I'd definitely be using MX-3.

 

It's possible to use pads on CPU (even though paste should generally yield better results).

@ Lozz,
Do whatever you like. After all you live in our own quantum reality. Who am I to care about changing your ways.

For those who have further questions regarding thermal compounds and improving your cooling system:

Ask those from the benching thread and you should get the proper answers from the people who actually deal with it on a daily basis.

 

what? are you crazy? you'll screw up your CPU!!!

thank-you for your contribution, I really do appreciate someone else here making sense.

 

wow, 2 pages about thermal pads on cpus...lol

old school used the metal thermal pad it was easier, not really better.

new school is to use some form of paste.(cpu only)
using paste on memory can be disastrous! once it heats up it moves. and since the memory chips are not fully cover by heat sink, that stuff will leak on the side and burn something up if you use the wrong tim. rule number one on why NOT to use paste.
and yes, i have tried paste on memory chips. then used a heat gun to see what would happen. and sure enough, that stuff got every where. i advise against it!

cpu
now you can use a pad if you like, but would advise against that as well. easy to use..yes...better, no. if it we're better, then we would all be using pads..

and yes, i tried pads. just to see if it was better....in the end...nope. once you fire up the volts and heat..their true colors start to show..and fast!!

just adding info to what's going on is all....

 

Finally someone from the OC'ing Maestro's to do what had to be done 5 pages back, lol.
Thanks Johnksss!

 

I know what Lozz is talking about, if you order a new xeon proc for a Proliant server it comes with the heatsink with a "pad" on it. It's essentially the same thing as paste so who cares what these companies call it. I think most here are used to the pads that have some density to them and can easily be removed and put back on....six of one half dozen of the other.

 

i think a few of the dell servers i ordered a long while back, came with the pads as well..the metal looking ones on dual xeon cpu's.

and since the cpu was well in it's operating range, i just left it....but yes...i was nosy..i wanted to see what they used.

Aikimox
no problem

 

It's just semantics really. The "pads" are really dried out paste.

 

Pads are not dried up paste! They are different chemically.

I'll make it simple:

Thermal Pads - SOLID

Thermal Grease/Paste - LIQUID

Yes, thermal grease may be pre-applied but it is still a liquid.

 

Whatever you want to call what Dell is using it always looks dried and cracked when removing. I would definitely always replace it.

 

Wow this thread is way to long.