m17x competition

Here we have the x7200, in all of its great glory. Its beautifull isnt it. Do you think this machine will give the m17x a run for its money? Specs can be found here. I personally love this laptop! IT has usb 3.0, it has new gpus, and it looks so sexy! I just wanted to see what m17x fans think about it.

 

Dude, fully optioned-out that thing is nearly $14K. Nuts.

 

Wow... closed up that thing looks like a typewriter from 1992.

 

I would rather have an m3 for that much....

 

Yea I know I could have fun with this thing! Hell any one could, even desktop fanbois could have a riot with it.

 

I hate getting drawn in like a moth to flame but that's one ugly muppet of a machine no comparison to a M17x.Spec is good but i would still have my Alien over that anyday

 

Ya know, I didn't really look at it before I instantly clicked the link. It is uglier than hell and will be no competition for the 17x honestly.

 

Its kinda similar to the 8690 which I love.

 

Its an amazing machine, no doubt about it. Its professional and very very powerful.

But its built as Clevo's flag ship. Its a portable desktop vs the alienware's DTR.

While the difference seems to be semantics it is a very big difference. We use all laptop parts where the clevo mostly uses desktop components with mobile GPU's about the only thing "laptop" about it.

So i hate to use a cliche, but its really comparing apples to oranges

 

It's an ugly plastic brick like all other Clevos. It's redeeming quality will be the famed Clevo copper. Other than that its not impressive.

 

I like it but the keyboard alone would make me stay away. Too much money not to like the keyboard. I would get the D900F instead.

 

Kamin_Majere
So true

 

I rather get a desktop

 

For the price i would rather get a Server, a Desktop, an M17x, an M11x and a Kindle

This would be an unbeatable workstation with a pair of Quatro's or FireGL's.

But i would never buy it for a personal machine or a gaming notebook

 

agreed, anyone can shove desktop parts into a laptop.. however the dimensions aren't acutally that bad once you get past the horrible looks. It's almost exactly the same size as a M17x, 16.76x11.44x2.26-2.43, 11.6lbs.

I would imagine carrying another 10lbs for the 300W PSU has its disadvantages however.

 

Three words: Ugly as hell !

 

lol, hopefully if you're willing to pay $2700 for the base system of something that can sport a $1500 Xeon processor (for whatever reason you would need in a laptop that I'm not aware of) you're willing to skip out on looks, portability, battery life, quality of external shell..bla bla bla, nothing important lol.

 

lol yeah who cares about all that right?

 

I specced out a Eurocom X7200 with Crossfire graphics, 6GB RAM, 2x 320GB HDDs, a Blu-ray reader, Intel WiFi 6300 and Bluetooth, and compared that to a similar spec M17x. The biggest difference between them was the CPU: i7 930 (2.8 GHz) vs i7 920XM (2.0 GHz).

The X7200 was $US3853, and the M17x was $US3934.

I can see advantages to the X7200, assuming that you need the raw CPU power and don't care about looks. However, when you consider that it's the same weight as the M17x but is made of plastic (instead of aluminium), I don't imagine it'll last as long. It won't have the brilliant RGB-LED screen of the Alien either.

 

wrong, the biggest difference, is that unless you're a complete fool, you won't pay 3934 for the M17x

 

At least it won't throttle.

As far as the comparison, I'm just not willing to give up metal chassis. Or the Dell warranty for that matter.

 

I don't have my Laptop yet,doesn't arrival because of the ineptitude of postal service but, i really hardly think about switch my M17x for this, could be a great machine but i don't spent money on a thing which looks ugly and exactly to the others . . .

 

no, it'll just run hot as stupid since it has a 130W processor.

 

Reason #2 why I won't get it.

Dell has spoiled me and it would be hard to go away from them.

Edit: BTW, I heard Eurocomm will be offering RGB LED plus HDMI in.

 

Yeah i have been way to spoiled over the years with the next business day warranty...

I really doubt anyone buying this machine is going after it for the looks of the machine lol.... Its a tank ...

I dont think its ugly per say but not attractive in the least bit either .... Plain jane..

 

I was under the impression that the D900F and previous iterations managed it fairly well.

It's something I'd really like to see Dell try. Battery life isn't even remotely important to me, and even a mobile extreme cpu couldn't compare to a ~$300 i7-930.

 

I can't comment on that. All I know is 130W > 45W You either have a heatsink half the width of the laptop, or a loud fan. Desktop processors are not designed for the thermal requirements of a form factor of this size, and keeping them happy is hard.

 

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Honestly doesnt look half bad. The dimensions are tremendous. It's just 480SLI and desktop CPU (no difference in games compared to 920/940XM) is not worth the money. The keyboard just kills it too...

I am kind of hoping 480SLI doesnt dissapoint, I think M17x users might be getting the slightest bit bored benching against themselves.

 

It really needs a set of wheels or some tank treads to set it apart from the rest ... Oh and a backlit keyboard ...

 

Rather get a nice desktop.

Why people like the Alienware more than this (some).

1. Its ALIENWARE (Most people know the brand, regardless if they don't know the difference between a PC and a Mac).

2. It looks hot.

3. You get a nice build for somewhat of a reasonable price. (That lappy can get up to 15k from just internals)

 

yeah, the only thing worse than half sized keyboard is a full sized keyboard that's half done, that would bug the bejesus out of me with 1+" of real estate wasted on both sides of the Keyboard. The one great feature of those things is that everything is acessable by just removing the backplate. No stupid 20 minuite tear down hoping you don't damage the plastic trim pieces in the process...

Trust me, it's far more boring waiting for the futuremark servers to come back online..

 

It must be the ugliest laptop of 2010. There is no way the OP just wrote "it looks sexy".

He has to either be kidding or drunk...

 

give him a break, he could have been legally blind at birth.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder too I suppose. Although, when people start talking about selling motorcycles and yachts to pay for this laptop lol, you have to wonder a little bit if they even care...



nah, it's fugly.

 

The reason I like its looks good is because its not a regular d900f case like in the picture below that we have seen for one to many years now. Even alienware used this case. Also this thing has an option for 120 hertz screen for 3d, you can check here. It says

 

Why do so many brands use the same (d900f) case?

Well this laptops is ok looking for its size, but its just plain ugly compared to an M17x.

 

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Dell/Alienware as well, but the last time I compared a Clevo heatisnk to an Alienware heatsink (in person, holding them), the Clevo must have been at least twice as big (this made it quite obvious where the "copper filled lunchbox" joke came from once I saw it ). Also the fans are significantly bigger in the D900F/X7200, meaning they can spin slower and still move as much air. I hope your not serious about the Clarksfield being 45W cpus. I checked what an i7-720QM drew in a G51J and it was over 55W. This argument could easily work against me if Intel guessed wrong with the desktop ones as well. What the X7200 really needs is a 32nm desktop quad. Considering the temperatures reached with the i7-980X are the same as what's reached with the i7-975X, imagine what taking two cores away would do. Not to mention the price (and it would still easily be faster than any mobile cpu).

These arguments for desktops are insufferable. Clearly, if we didn't require the level of mobility these high powered laptops provide, we would have just built desktops.

As far as "why some like the Alienware more than the X7200", it's already been said.

The build quality is better, the waranty is superior, and some people (including myself) don't like chiclet keyboards.

The only real thing the X7200 has going for it is the desktop cpu, which I would very much enjoy, but not at the cost of these aforementioned attributes.

 

Yep, the big fans in the X7200 + copper will be very nice. If Clevo made a nice aluminum chasis with an Alienware styled design, baclkit keyboard, RGB LED and NBD warranty service, I'd buy one. Until then, no thanks.

 

I hope you used a nice $100+ wall monitor to measure power draw instead of HWmonitor

 

Me too, but that moneys going into gpus (and a SSD eventually)! :wink:

My bad. What software most accurately reads the power draw (that is, if it's possible to do so accurately)?

 

apparently, it'll take ~ $1375 more for some GPU's in the X7200 LOL

 

For an accurate measurement you use a meter. If you use kill a watt, you have to take that number and multiply it by the PSU efficiency (which nobody really knows).

 

I have no interest whatsoever in GF100, I want GF106! There was a thread in the M15x section where Kevin_Jack2.0 posted a picture of an Asus G53's device manager, and it had a GTX 460M, which is GF106 (an ES, but I'm already excited).

I'll get that if the price isn't too bad (assuming the M15x bios support it).

 

So this means HWmonitor would be completely accurate if electricity was able to be converted to direct current from alternating current with no loss?

 

the efficiency level is V, duh, it's right on the brick lol. V is the bestests.

killawat is a wall monitor, not software, software power monitoring is grossly inaccurate. Killawat has a .2% accuracy, but if you don't know the efficiency of the PSU, the data is worthless except to say how much the PSU is drawing from the outlet.. Joker is explaining that the PSU draws more power than the computer acutally uses, because no PSU is 100% efficient in converting power.

 

I don't know how HWMonitor works. I don't think any software is accurate.

 

HWmontior just 'guesses' power draw based on temperature and whenever it feels like changing as far as I can tell. It'll will read 15W @ 50C, and 55W @ 55C, regardless if there's load on the processor or not..

 

Why? It will likely be slower than a 5850 or about on par at best.

 

Man that thing is packing 4x12.5mm 1TB drives. Now that I like. But for me, 3 would be perfect with the option of RAID 0 for two, one for storage. Anyhow, I don't care for the looks, or the keyboard, although it would sure be fun to benchmark. But once I'm done benching it, I'd toss it aside for my M17x. I'd rather just buy a desktop. I'm sure there are some people for whom the portibility and power are neccessary, but those people make far more money than I do. Anyone who actually NEEDS that kinda power in a portable desktop is making at least $200K/yr.

 

if it took the new FireGL cards and not the old Quadro FX3800M's I would certantly think of buying it for my wife, then she could do her HUGE damn renders and such on site and not have to drive 2-5 hours home to run it on her desktop.

hell If I could get the new FireGL's in the AW 17X I would be happy then too !!!!!