580m vs 6990m Benches

After MUCH discussion (whic Follows) I think it can be said that these cards are DEAD EVEN.

What brings about this assessment.

The extensive benching done by notebookcheck shows its recorded as a 5% edge to the 580 SLI ... however if you actually do the math on their posted FPS rates, the difference is 1.1% edge to the 580.

Some others, including myself, have noted that notebookcheck didn't bother to turn on overdrive for their testing (something I think is akin to getting in your car, putting it in Drive instead of overdrive and getting on the highway)

Overdrive increases the performance of the 6990 between 5-10%.

With overdrive on the 6990 MIGHT have a slight edge over the 580. (but no one has done the testing to back this up)

All in all, if you take the NBC benches at their value there should be a 1.1% difference, on some games the 580 will win, on some they will be dead even and on other the 6990 will win.

We will call this match a DRAW ! Enjoy the cards you have, if you prefer one interface over the other, all the power to you.

 

Doesn't look that legitimate to be honest. First thing that threw me off was the CPU score for the 3DMark11 test, 50k? While the exact same processor with an AMD card gets 20k? Maybe I am missing something but that seems messed up.

 

Fair enough, maybe these are bogus ... thought I'd share ... Logicalblue is an Aus retailer ...

 

I agree. Not a good comparison or source. Looks like someone knocked up that table of crap figures in minutes......dont believe it until genuine figures from genuine sources come out.

 

I like getting my benchmark information from:
PassMark Software - CPU Benchmark Charts
But they don't have info yet for the GTX 580M or the HD 6990M

 

I agree with steven. The EXPENSIVE price of 580m can be accepted by some of us, and they also expect to the great performance of the GPUs, so i do not think they are IDIOTs to paid much more on GPU options.. Be honest, I placed the order with 580m sli on 7/7, at that time, I had the same chance to order 6990M CF as well, but I still insisted on the simple rule which is "You get what you pay for".
To be fair, just wait the genuine comparison results. It should come out asap. All the fans of Nv and Amd are waiting for it.

 

Well i just changed my order from 580m sli to the 6990m CF, If the performance is pretty much neck and neck i just saved myself $700. Question remains why is nvidia charging so much for the 580m's.

Canada's dell pricing on both 6990m and 580m is/ how it should be across the board.

Dont be too surprised if Dell in the coming days again change the pricing on Nvidia 580m as nobody can justify the pricing unless of course your a diehard nv fan. (Bragging rights)

 

Some benchmarks for the 6990M here. 6990M

 

Info from Anandtech

AnandTech - AMD Raises the Mobile Performance Bar with Radeon HD 6990M

 

very interesting that the notebookcheck benches put the 6990 significantly ahead of the 580m ... although I think they are both using the released benches from the makers ...

Computer Games on Laptop Graphic Cards - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

i knew the 6990 would be faster.

 

Cool, I love what notebook has done...........but its still not a true bench. Anyone notice its a:

Desktop 6870 at 6990M clocks 2600K 4096 MB 715 / 900MHz

 

My order for the 6970s Xfire was cancelled last night...I guess I'm going with the 6990s also

 

You cancel, or dell did auto cancel?

 

Technically it was only in quote status. I was trying to score a free upgrade to the 6990s...but the rep wouldn't give it to me (not even the 20% graphics upgrade going on right now)

 

It's pretty interesting that the GTX 580Ms were $650 cheaper than the 6990Ms for me in Canada today. It's weird that the same company has such huge differences in price (opposite price difference in fact) across one border

 

Not true at all. Nvidia has always had an Nvidia tax + the fact their GPUs are costly to make, and look at the 485M vs. the 6970M. More or less neck and neck, despite the 6970M being significantly cheaper.

They tried to overcharge with the 580M again, but the 6990M is even faster, closing any gap the 6970M and 485M had.

 

Name brand stuff is always more expensive than value brand stuff. And is rarely, if ever superior.

The only reason I got the Nvidias is because of what I think was a pricing mistake putting the GTX 580Ms $650 cheaper than the 6990Ms.

Here's a proverb that either someone told me, I read somewhere, or I made up:

There was a First Nations man sitting on the side of a dusty road with a stand that sold hand may earthenware dishes.
A woman stopped at the stand and after shopping for a few minutes, went to the stand owner and said, "I notice you have a pot in the five dollar section that is identical to the pot in the fifty dollar section, is that a mistake?"
The wizened old Native looked at her and said, "Some people want to buy a five dollar pot, some people want to buy a fifty dollar pot."

I don't know why I keep telling ppl that story. It's pretty dumb.

 

If I could get the 580M's for $150 in SLI, I would do that. I go what is the best price point and performance, not nVidia/AMD or top of the line.

 

GreatBigPhil, love that little proverb ....

I think it hits it on the head, Lostmem quotes "you get what you pay for" ... but really ?

Tell you what, I will resell you my m18x for 3x the price I paid for it, then I will reorder the same one. Did you really get what you paid for ?

LOL.

Some people really do just want a $50 pot.

 

haha i love your story wish i could make there little cartoony of as a sign

 

I read on here somewhere today that the 580M sale in Canada was a ERROR. It was supposed to be the 4 series card? That's why it was only on there for about 11 hours?

 

yes, that's true.

 

i really love these dell deal snipes
not first time they placed stuff with wrong pricing

 

interesting. Was wondering why on the US site the 6990 was cheaper then the 580 but on the candian site is was $600 more.

Guess I got it for a good price.

 

The games AMD picked for its 580m vs. 6990m comparison chart don't overlap much with those NVIDIA picked for its charts when it announced the 580m. Does this strike anyone else as odd? Why not use CoD Black Ops, Crysis 2, Mafia 2, etc. unless those didn't bear out the difference very well (or at all)?

I've been planning on buying an M18x, and had intended to go for a GTX 580m SLI, but now I guess I'll put it off a couple of weeks until we can get some real comparison benches (or should we know sooner?). The games I care most about, in descending order of importance, are Deus Ex HR, Bioshock Infinite, and Crysis 2.

One lingering concern I have about the 6990m is the lack of PhysX support. I really like the idea of PhysX. The supported game line-up, however, is about as inspiring as the movie selection on a domestic flight (save perhaps Mafia II). There were some rumors back in March that Deus Ex HR would support APEX, but I haven't seen anything about that since then and the game comes out next month. Is it official yet that Deus Ex HR won't support PhysX? And what about Bioshock Infinite?

Thanks

Please feel free to respond to any portion of this post.

 

Haha.
I just got quinine call at 6:57am from my rep (I guess they don't really get north American time zones over there in India). He appologized for selling my the GTX 580Ms, sanding they were supposed to be the 460Ms. He told me it was a mistake. It all sounded very gloomy until he told me that he'd just change the order to the 6990s and call it done.

 

Footnote from AMD website listing performance tests, FWIW:

In tests conducted in AMD performance labs at 1920x1080, simulating mobile performance with a down-clocked desktop test system the AMD Radeon™ HD 6990M-based system was measured to be faster than the Nvidia GeForce 580M in the following benchmarks:

Dragon Age 2 at 4AA/16AF (23.69% faster)
Total War: Shogun 2 at 2xAA/16xAF (10.36% faster)
Aliens vs. Predator at 2xAA/8xAF (13.19% faster)
Batman: Arkham Asylum at 4xAA/16xAF (16.85% faster)
ET: Quake Wars at 8xAA/16xAF (25.82% faster)
Just Cause 2 at 0xAA/2xAF (14.22% faster)
Left 4 Dead 2 at 0xAA/0xAF (8.30% faster)
Metro2033 at AAA/4xAF (11.40% faster)
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena at 4xAA/8xAF (15.32% faster)
Wolfenstein MP at 8xAA/16xAF (16.59% faster)

Tests conducted with the following configuration: Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, AMD Phenom™ II X4 965 (2.4GHz), 4GB (2GBX2GB), DDR3 system memory, Microsoft® Windows® 7 64-bit Ultimate operating system. Drivers: AMD Catalyst 8.861 RC1, NVIDIA Driver 275.33 WHQL.

AMD Radeon? HD 6990M Graphics

 

Honestly, game selection doesn't really matter. AMD picked, in my opinion, two of the most graphically intensive games available today in Metro 2033 and Alien Versus Predator. Both those games are hogs and will eat up video cards for breakfast (similar to how Doom 3 was on opening day and 6 months later lol). If you see gains from one card to the other in those games, the card with the higher performance is better.

 

Yes, that's true. Very true

 

Actually I would say no. Here are my reasons.

They simulated these on a desktop machine. Cooling, power, drivers to name a few can have impacts on these tests. Any company that does comparisons is going to make the tests in their favor.

If you take this at face value I have a bridge to sell you. I'm not saying the 6990 is or isn't faster just these numbers I cannot trust and wait for an independent source to verify it I do the same thing when I look at Nvidia tests

 

You misunderstood my post, I wasn't saying the 6990M was faster. I only said that the two games I mentioned are great for benchmarking, and which ever card does better in the performance is the one that is faster.

For me, it is all about price. If I could have purchased the M18x with the 580M SLI for like $150 I would have. Since they are like $1000 otherwise, I will go for the 6990M's. Price > top end performance for me.

*EDIT* For the comparisons, I meant in future testing with the actual mobile cards, not the setup both companies used.

 

Yes I agree on the games selected for testiing just not the enviroment. So I think we are in agreement

 

I may be wrong, since intensive graphic games are not my forte'. But it seems to me judging from the AMD comparisons, that there is less difference in performance between 6990m vs 580m the more hardware demanding game. Guess we gotta wait till there are some real world benchmarks.

 

Benches will be coming soon. For now, I'd probably put both on par. There are games that will undoubtedly run better on 580M as well as games that favor 6990M. Personally, I'd care less about the 5% fluctuations on the performance scale but much rather like to know the heat/juice consumption, driver stability and OC'ing potential of the cards. Price is also a very important factor.

 

Very true Aiki, although Hambledon does have a good point and a logical one.

The more demanding a game, it might be true the less difference you see, logically.

If you get 30fps on a game with Card A and Card B is 10% better ... you get 33fps ....

Where as if you get 90fps on a game and the card is 10% better ... 99fps ... 9fps more.

That being said ... the difference between 25 and 30fps ... is very noticable, at least to me ...

 

I agree with you 100%

 

Well considering the gtx 580m is basically DOUBLE the price of the 6990m and at best it has equal performance but most likely has slightly less performance than the 6990m. The Radeon 6990m is the clear winner hands down (unless you are a blinded Nvidia Fanboy.)

Also the past few years the comparable radeon vs geforce card has put almost every geforce card using more watts and running hotter than its radeon counterpart. Sometimes even sizable gaps with radeon using less power and producing less heat. So I assume the gtx 580m will most likely run slightly hotter and use slightly to a decent chunk more watts when both are loaded 100%.

Based on the current available information: The radeon 6990m, as it's sitting right now, Has higher performance then the gtx 580m (maybe only marginable 5-10% boost may be as high as 25%[doubtful manufacturer claim]). The mobile geforce cards, on average, usually use more watts and produce more heat when its equal counterpart from radeon and itself are both put under full 100% load. The radeon 6990m, on average, is costing only 50% of the gtx 580m( THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE FACT AND IS HUUUUGE IN MAKING THIS A SIMPLE CHOICE )

Can't make this anymore clearer. Based on the information we currently have and can currently extrapolate from previous models, The Radeon 6990m runs faster and will most likely run slightly cooler and use a few less watts than the gtx 580m.

The AMD Radeon 6990m is currently the undisputed fastest AND best price/performance ratio for any flagship gpu currently on the market.

WINNER: AMD Radeon 6990m LOSER: Nvidia Geforce GTX 580m

Anyone who disagrees with what I just said has either found new data that made an unexpected change or they are just an nvidia fanboy. Question Answered.

 

so this is interesting: http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/23450-amd-hd-6990m-is-less-faster-than-gtx-580m

 

yep is interesting how the link don't work

 

Do you have a source for this info? I'm hearing the complete opposite, nvidea is cooler and less wattage.

I'll tell you what, lets all just wait for true benchmarks from reliable resources, and no I'm not a nvidea fanboy, I have a 5970 Dual GPU single card in my desktop. I just want the best running, most reliable cards in my pc's.

 

Its well known Fudzilla is unrelieble source when it comes to computer tech. Lets just wait and see, we'll know for sure next week.

 

?? I got through, I'll copy paste for you if it still does not work for some:




AMD expected less, but priced it right
We stumbled upon a rather intriguing post over at PCPerspective regarding recently released AMD HD 6990M performance slides as it appears that HD 6990M is not that much faster than the GTX 580M.

In case you missed it, the recently introduced AMD Radeon HD 6990M is based on Barts XT architecture and has nothing to do with its desktop dual-GPU counterpart. It is a single GPU solution that has 1120 stream processors, GPU clock set at 715MHz and up to 1.6TFlops of computing power. The GPU is paired with 2GB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 900MHz which is enough for over 115GB/s of memory bandwidth.

Apparently, AMD contacted pcper.com to let them know that benchmark results need to be changed and that new one show that the difference between the HD 6990M and the HD 6970M, and the difference between Radeon HD 6990M and GTX 580M is not that high. You can check out the article here.

After asking around, our birdies have told us that it appear that AMD was using a desktop configuration based on the HD 6870 card clocked at the same clocks as the HD 6990M for those slides and have expected the results to be identical, but unfortunately they aren't. This time around AMD's inteligence service didn't do its homework well.

The bottom line is that the HD 6990M is still faster than the GTX 580M and it all comes down to the price, which is, by the way, still on AMD's side. We checked out some prices and AMD's HD 6990M is around US $300 cheaper than the GTX 580M at least that's what we have seen on the Origin site and its EON17-S notebook and Alienware site and its M17x notebook.

So this round still goes to AMD. Of course, we are still waiting to see the "correct" slides that AMD is talking about.

Last modified on Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:20

 

Here you go, Speedy! In short, the screenshots of 580M vs 6990M that have been provided on July 12th should've been shown the performance between 6970M vs 6990M! so we still need to wait for the official benchmark results of certified 580M drivers and probably 11.7 catalyst release to see a full picture)

 

Works for me, but here's the text:

AMD expected less, but priced it right

We stumbled upon a rather intriguing post over at PCPerspective regarding recently released AMD HD 6990M performance slides as it appears that HD 6990M is not that much faster than the GTX 580M.

In case you missed it, the recently introduced AMD Radeon HD 6990M is based on Barts XT architecture and has nothing to do with its desktop dual-GPU counterpart. It is a single GPU solution that has 1120 stream processors, GPU clock set at 715MHz and up to 1.6TFlops of computing power. The GPU is paired with 2GB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 900MHz which is enough for over 115GB/s of memory bandwidth.

Apparently, AMD contacted pcper.com to let them know that benchmark results need to be changed and that new one show that the difference between the HD 6990M and the HD 6970M, and the difference between Radeon HD 6990M and GTX 580M is not that high. You can check out the article here.

After asking around, our birdies have told us that it appear that AMD was using a desktop configuration based on the HD 6870 card clocked at the same clocks as the HD 6990M for those slides and have expected the results to be identical, but unfortunately they aren't. This time around AMD's inteligence service didn't do its homework well.

The bottom line is that the HD 6990M is still faster than the GTX 580M and it all comes down to the price, which is, by the way, still on AMD's side. We checked out some prices and AMD's HD 6990M is around US $300 cheaper than the GTX 580M at least that's what we have seen on the Origin site and its EON17-S notebook and Alienware site and its M17x notebook.

So this round still goes to AMD. Of course, we are still waiting to see the "correct" slides that AMD is talking about.

 

Thanks Red line the website don't work for me all i see is about blank on the address bar

 

actually not at all, we know that they emulated the cards

 

LOL, copycat. :tongue:

 

What I thought was interesting was that AMD reportedly told PC Perspective that the bar chart comparisons included in their press release overestimated the performance gap between the 6990m and the 580m and need to be changed.

It was posted yesterday so perhaps you've all seen it already.

 

we knew when the charts came out, and anand chimed in. but those charts are never to be believed independently if they come from the green or the red team