AMD/ATI 8970M released....

But it seems that is a re-badged 7970M, is it not?

Was hoping for more really...

Anyway... New AMD HD 8970M GDDR5 for clevo upgrademonkey pre order. | eBay

 

Looks like AMD have taken a leaf out of Nvidia's playbook - 580m to 675m was simply a rebadge too....

AMD Radeon HD 8970M "Neptune" Appears on Ebay - Rebrand of HD 7970M With 1280 SPs

 

I already say it before, I skip this generation for sure, doesnt really give something alot faster. (CPU's and GPU's)
Maybe the 780m get's a nice boost but also think not really.

Sjoerd

 

Well, it certainly looks like the 780m (if info is correct) will give the 8970m a good spanking.....

 

There may be a 8990m I'm not sure if its in AMDs best interest to have what we perceive as their flagship card getting spanked by the 780m and I'm sure they know

 

It looks like the performance will increase but not as we expected

 

Its nice to have in in a new laptop I geuss, but for a upgrade. no.
They need to release a 8990M to compete with Nvidia top range card I think in performance.
But will they do that or they gonna focus on next year? What is maybe more important...

 

I believe it's probably more important for AMD to get a new product 10000% spot on this time around - another repeat of the 7970m issues would do them no favours when it comes to repeat business. If they can show that they can provide a top range product with proper support from the get-go, I think that would win a lot of would-be buyers around. They might not have an "Nvidia-780m-slayer" in the 8970m, but if they can get the 8970m perfect, they might just pip Nvidia with the 8990m.

 

and the working driver to follow... by summer 2015?

(sorry about the snarky comment but with several BSODs everyday with 7970m CF, any mention

of AMD products makes my blood boil...)

 

I symapthise with you wholeheartedly, that's why I think it is of paramount importance for AMD to get WHATEVER offering they release next, completely perfect in every fashion - even if it isn't as fast as the green option. They need to restore a modicum of faith in their product line-up, and IMHO, that most certainly encompasses driver support that actually supports their product - instead of undermining it.

No point having a Ferrari in the garage if it's engine is knackered.....

 

Can the Nvidia elitists please go elsewhere? You hijack every AMD thread and butcher it to the point where it gets closed or no one wants to comment anymore. If green GPUs are so superior, why the constant need to brag about it?

 

I don't think anyone was bragging, just merely stating the obvious when comparing the two latest offerings. I don't care for brand loyalty at all, I will pay whatever price (higher or lower) for best performance. If Nvidia offer it, so be it. If AMD do, it'd be time for a change. The one thing we cannot ignore are the facts, doing so would make us imbeciles. If one is better than the other, I see no harm in pointing that out, and as it appears right now, AMD's latest offering in the 8970m will not surpass performance of the Nvidia 780m - that's just the plain and simple facts. No elitism, no favouritism, nothing - plain and simple truth.

Unfortunately, if you do not like that, there isn't much I could say to help you out - but I do understand where you are coming from. People will always compare one against the other, because that's the nature of the beast - competition is a healthy thing and as such, I think we should embrace rivalry (to a degree) as without it, we would probably not see new and faster products quite so often, due to monopolization of the industry.

However, fanboy-ism is not very nice and "bashing" one brand or the other is not very polite to users/owners of either brand. Let's just play nice, eh?

 

This whole discussion seems a little out of context. Clearly the release prices are going to be astronomical but once things have settled down wouldn't we expect the 8790m to be significantly cheaper than the 780m and possibly still cheaper than a 680m? Looking at AMD desktop cards they seem to have the edge on value-to-performance at the moment (with exception of GTX 650 Ti Boost). Could be totally wrong though

 

Price trends of late have had Nvidia pegged at more or less double the cost of their AMD equivalent offering, so I'd expect the 8970m to follow suit and be about half the tag of the 780m. So, I guess you could say that a single 8970m will offer more performance vs. a single 680m at roughly the same or lower price.....hopefully.

 

When can we expect the refresh? I'm interested in the M18x but the new Y500 with 750m SLI is tempting and hits the sweet spot for price and performance. :hi2:

 

Yes I just read about the current Y500 with GT650m SLI. It makes so much sense to me. Ultrabay is genius. 750m with gpu boost 2.0 (a la Titan) in SLI should be awesome!

 

This is good news for 7970M owners since it means driver development is still going on for their chip....

 

Graphics chip designer Raja Koduri heads back to AMD after four-year stint at Apple!

AMD Rehires Graphics Chip Expert After a Stint at Apple - Digits - WSJ

 

Sounds like good news for AMD buyers....

 

Mr. Fox and Brian at T|I have already done plenty of side-by-side testing and documentation. Both are members of this forum. You don't see them crashing every AMD thread that pops up, do you? The obvious has already been elegantly stated.

And keep in mind that I would prefer to have a pair of 680Ms, I just can't justify the cost. So I'm actually on your side. However, it would be nice to have an AMD thread without green Nvidia bile spewed all over it.

Whenever you feel the need to hijack an AMD thread, grab a cold beverage and read THIS. Everything's already been said.

Back on topic though. If the 8970M is a rebadge, I would like to see it overcome the voltage anomalies and overclocking issues of the 7970M.

 

Easy, tiger!!!! - no need to have a cow.....I take offense at what you're saying there, really.

You're making it sound like I've jumped on to this thread as soon as I saw "AMD" in the title, with the intent of being derogatory to the up and coming new hardware that is 8970m/8990m. Sorry if you read my posts in haste, and assumed that I was "spewing elitism" all around as if I had nothing else better to do. My first post here was actually deriding Nvidia, in case you missed that part.......I was merely comparing the fact that Nvidia had also rebadged stuff - is it a crime for me to say the same of AMD, or are we not allowed to point out what the linked articles are claiming because of fear of offending someone who is an AMD fanatic??

One of the articles mentions the following, and I quote:

Now, from reading that, and from assuming any degree of truth to it, is it forbidden for anyone to mention it? - again, because of fear of offending someone else?. Aren't we all big enough to take a comment like that on the chin without calling someone out for it and labelling them as troll or thread crasher or elitist? - well, I am, but maybe you're not - but if it makes you happy to call me those things because of something rather legitimate that I posted (god forbid ANYONE for mentioning Nvidia on an AMD titled thread) then so be it. I'm 40 years old and have no inclination towards making childish jibes to provoke a reaction - that's simply imbecilic.

I've clearly stated that I have no brand allegiance, not just on this thread, but on EVERY thread where this type of "nastiness" raises it's head. So, whatever I have posted here is NOT with the intent of derailing or trashing things - I always like to look at things from both sides of the fence. I guess you could say that the one thing I have been guilty of here is posting up information that AMD owners may NOT want to hear - is that MY fault that it looks like it could be rebadged? - Nope. If you don't like hearing/reading about what is obviously "newsworthy" information about AMD's forthcoming product, there's nothing I can do to help with that.

As for the T|I comparison between the 7970m and the 680m, I fail to see the relevance of that here - we are NOT talking about the 7970m or the 680m for that matter - if you hadn't noticed. I appreciate that article was well written and I have read/used it several times myself. It's hardly a fair thing to say that because one generation of cards have been compared in the past, we should NOT compare or talk about newer cards in the same fashion. Telling me to "go grab a beer" and read that article over and over again whenever new hardware comes out is a pointless exercise....or maybe you would prefer me to go back even further and compare 6990m to 580m - still has nothing to do tomorrow's technological advancements, so I'm kind of at a loss as why you have suggested that as a good thing to do ........

Tell me, why exactly would you prefer to have a pair of 680m's as opposed to your 7970m's ??? - cost to one side, what makes you say that? - I'm curious, because every time someone mentions the fact that there is little between the two, it always seems to boil down to the old chestnut of "I can't justify the added expense....." - there must be something in your statement that backs up that preference - cost withstanding. What is it? - what would make you "prefer" the 680m over the 7970m? - maybe if you can answer that, you might see why there are a multitude of people that ARE willing to pay the additional cost for the green option.

So, I'm sorry you got all "upset" over a genuine couple of comments I made.....sorry you automatically thought I was trolling this thread with "Nvidia bile"....in the immortal words of Forrest Gump....."That's all I have to say about that".......

Peace - end of rant. Sorry to anyone who assumed I was anti-AMD - good luck with your new hardware.

 

is there somewhere you can order one of them today?

 

I wasn't offended, I would prefer a set of 680Ms, as previously mentioned.

If you can tell me in one sentence or less why any AMD vs Nvidia comments or comparisons were necessary based on the thread title, I shall not post in this thread again.

Pre Order Here.

Looks like you'll get it in the first week of May, which isn't too far out. I will need to know how they overclock before I shell out any cash.

 

ok I miss understood something then, I take the title of the thread wrong. I think something is released as you can get it now, not pre-order. So it really doesn't matter who is better than it, because well you can't put it into your computer today.

 

You are wise beyond your years, my friend.

 

Because that's what people do. They make comparisons. The thread title did not state "Please don't make any comparison to Nvidia, otherwise you will be severely torn a new butt hole" ..... maybe it should have if you wanted a DEDICATED "let's all pat each other on the back and say we're great" thread.

Again, apologies for even mentioning Nvidia on an AMD thread - how very wrong of me. May the lord have mercy on me after my terrible actions......

 

Your logic is 'knackered'.

I quit.

 

I'd just like to know what is SO wrong with mentioning something from a genuine news resource that claimed the 8970m was a rebadge? - Heck, I didn't even post it in the first instance, but you chose to have a go directly at me - basically calling me a troll. Would you care to elaborate, or explain why I'm so "in the wrong" - other than simply using the argument that no-one should be permitted to utter the word "Nvidia" on an AMD thread?

The simple fact that you labelled my posts/quotes as "Nvidia Bile" seem to reinforce a certain degree of hatred or favouritism to one brand - I'd never knock someone for posting something informative, no matter what my own personal opinions on things were. If someone pointed out an article to me, claiming the 780m's to be dodgy or rebadged, I'd be appreciative and courteous, and not slanderous. You jumped in at me without just cause - or reason.

 

Brothers, its not worth going on this way because we know you both have the best of intentions. I don't believe Stevie to be 'poo pooing' on the AMD thread, nor any harm in pointing out things as I always enjoy reading his input. I also get where Turbo is coming from, a couple of other 8970 threads were hijacked into a nVidia fan fest, so any genuine info people wanted to contribute about the impending release became a 'mines bigger than yours' thread.

 

Thanks, Tbone.

I agree, I think we both have good intentions at heart - I've only gone on about it as people who know me, KNOW that I do not do that kind of thing - and I do not like being labelled or accused of being one of those kind either. I detest "pee-ing competitions" too - as long as their are two brands, there is always gonna be "versus" or "comparisons" made. I think it's healthy to make genuine comparisons and I apologise to anyone who takes this as criticism of their brand of preference.

I wonder how much fuss would have been made over my/other members posts relating to Nvidia if it had been from the angle that the 780m was a rebadge and that the 8970m was going to be superior? - I'm guessing that would have been okay coming from an AMD fan. Unfortuantely, those news articles did not state that as the case and maybe it's my bad for posting about them.

However, getting all steamed up and name-slinging doesn't change the news that was posted. I hope it's not the case, and that the 8970m is a fantastic product (as I mentioned earlier in the thread) but hanging me out to dry because of it is rather immature.

Anyway, that's all I'm gonna say. Apologies to Turbo if the thread didn't quite live up to you expectations of "AMD posts only, please"

Good luck with the rest of the discussion guys. I'm outta here......

 

Stevie, you shouldn't feel inhibited to add anything to the discussion you deem relevant, you're valuable input is always appreciated :thumbsup:

 

Thanks, buddy. For now, until there is a specific "versus" thread, I'll simply refrain from posting anything that remotely compares Nvidia to AMD. That way, no one's nose gets put out of joint!

 

Wait what the point of discussing the product if you cant compare it to its main competitor. Only reason "good guys" are releasing 8970m series is to stay ahead and/or battle "the big green evil". Only thing that can we all can do is wait and see what will happen.

I personally never went with "high end" from either of clans - always stuck with best bang for the buck. Had problems with all clans - from 3dfx and their Voodoo cards to Green and Red monsters we have today. They all had issues and from my years working as a tech with tons of customers both clans had pretty much same amount - saying they didn't is just wrong and ignorant. U'r talking here by "high end" but if you want to bash any brand you need to look at it as a whole. Not only 1 series of 1 model. That nonsense.

Hopefully 8970 will hit perfect price/power spot and will skip childish diseases at start. I'm really looking forward to see what will happen in next few months as mid-summer i plan to dish out 300-400$ for a new GPU on my m6600

 

I'm going to concede here, as I can see that some have taken my comments in the wrong light.

I never said that discussion, heated discussion, or downright argument was bad. If I did, quote it. The bashing is what gets me. The top 680M and 7970M benchmarks are literally within a few hundred points of one another, 680M being on top.

My first mobile GPU was the Nvidia 7950GTX, and I don't think there was a comparable AMD card at the time. Since then everything has been neck and neck, with Nvidia often on top, which one would expect for the premium price.

With AMD and Nvidia trading volleys, nothing is going to go unanswered. I don't think the 8970M is the answer to the 780M. The 8990M would be that. Since Nvidia cards are typically far more expensive, I would say that the 780M will best the 8990M. Nvidia doesn't do anything else, really. They make GPUs, and they're pretty good at it. AMD is juggling mobile CPUs and GPUs, as well as desktop counterparts. They've got a lot of irons in the fire. It makes sense that some R&D is just going to slip through the cracks.

For anyone who has only had the last one or two of Alienware's laptops, it would make sense to trash talk AMD. Their recent past is not too admirable. Take a look several generations back in the mobile market though before you make any broad statements.

 

Nvidia is actually diversifying into mobile CPUs with their Tegra line which is what AMD should have started invested into. AMDs finances don't look so rosy and even tho I'm strictly nvidia when I purchase I really really hope AMD start making money soon because us enthusiasts need this competition to exist

 

That is what they are going to target I believe, but even with the perfect team you have to wait 2-3 years to start completing production and design cycles.

 

I read AMD are providing graphics hardware for both PS4 and Xbox 720. Both using off the shelf 7xxx series cards. Surely a step in the right direction. Also surely promising in terms of game development better suiting AMD cards along with better drivers. Lets dream

 

AMD's graphics division is in a really good position right about now

 

Their profit margin is going to be low on the consoles and they have serious debts

 

This makes sense. I always wondered how they could produce an entire console and sell it for less than the cost of one high-end modern video card.

 

The profit margin is going to be low on consoles? Hahha. Worse than low.

Its called SUBSIDIZED.

They sell the PS4 / PS3 for 400-500 at start, I'm guessing more around $600 for the PS4 though after seeing its hardware. And they sell it AT A LOSS. Much like how you can get an iPhone 5 for $200 on contract, when the actual hardware costs $650-700 retail.

They make up this lost cost (probably 100-200 bucks PER DEVICE) by getting nice licencing fees every time you buy a game.

Game sales fuel their profits, not the consoles. The consoles are sold AT A LOSS, in order to get enough systems out their to fuel the real revenue... The $60 games... Haha.

On a more related note, I hope the PS4 doesn't have more power than a 7970m, I would think this impossible unless they wanted to incur MASSIVE losses though. It will probably be more like a 7850M version, a cut down 7770 HD... With optimizations though it could be a beast and run at almost the same graphical fidelity as a 7970m.

 

Last console cycle they sold at a loss at release too. Especially the PS3. We are still yet to see $99 consoles. This gen consoles sound abit underwealming. The PS4 GPU is meant to produce around 1.8 TF which is less than a 7970m. I doubt many games are going to be pushing 60fps at 1080p which is a shame. I am hopeful we'll see a lot of multiplatform releases for us PC guys/gals though.

 

Optimizations my friend - optimizations. With a proper optimizations and game engines designed specifically for unified hardware games will run flawlessly at 1080p. I'm actually rooting for AMD in this case - with console games optimized for AMD hardware inside - they will most likely run better on AMD hardware in pc-world. But only time will tell. AMD hardware is not the issue anymore - its software support thats killing them.

 

check this out

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...ard-pic-upgrademonkey-exclusive-24th-apr.html

 

Didn´t get it to work. This is my first post ever here at Notebook Review by the way, so hi everyone! =)

 

Doesn't work for me either..

And welcome to the forum

 

You're right, optimization allows devs to get alot out the hardware, look at todays console games after all. My real concern is when they start thinking its ok to release games that run like slide shows so they can bump up the visuals.

 

Specific offers and the like would have to be cleared by the moderator team most likely and were not.

 

there really wasn't any information in the thread. it was 3 pictures. 1 of the gpu board, 1 of a screenshot of information about the card that pretty much had no information in it, and the third one was in another lang.

 

New AMD HD 8970M GDDR5 for Clevo Upgrademonkey Pre Order | eBay

same 7970M Wimbledon XT XT GPU with slight clock bump to 900/1250Mhz, darn...(