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    Alienware Liquid cooled laptop by Asetek

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Fatal1ty39, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Fatal1ty39

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    Nice, but just prototype atm though.
     
    lubu, Mar 20, 2012
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    wow that's cool!
     
    bumbo2, Mar 20, 2012
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    I want it now! Hope they release it for purchase soon. Sent them an e-mail requesting a review sample once its ready.
     
    5150Joker, Mar 20, 2012
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    Oh wow that would be nice.
     
    Virgle144, Mar 20, 2012
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    hey brother 5150joker long time man! how is your SLI doing? bro.
     
    bumbo2, Mar 20, 2012
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    That looks sweet! It's nice to see that companies are making an effort to provide more technology for mobile gaming.
     
    ohms139, Mar 20, 2012
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    Great idea! I wonder if it will ever become real though. Asus once presented a liquid-cooled notebook but it was never more than a prototype. There's a long term reliability concern of such a system and also, maintenance may become a hassle.
     
    Aikimox, Mar 20, 2012
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  9. bumbo2

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    asetek is a great companies! I used to have an HP fireberd that wos liquid cooled by asetek and it never over heat.

    that will be maintenance free as the HP firebird used to be.
     
    bumbo2, Mar 20, 2012
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    You wish. What if you need to replace a video card? Or a dvd player? :rolleyes:
    What if you bring the beast to work every day and it gets occasional shakes and bumps? Will the liquid cooling still work reliably?
     
    Aikimox, Mar 20, 2012
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  13. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    It definitely looks cool (pun intended :D). Anyways. Why isn't there this kind of love for the M17x R3?!?!
     
    widezu69, Mar 20, 2012
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    Its time for Liquid Cooling Vs 3rd heatsink pipe modification.
     
    iPhantomhives, Mar 20, 2012
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    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    Yeah its very impressive. I'm guessing the pump is underneath somewhere or goes in the top ram bay (which they didn't show). The probably powered it using an external source for the prototype but could always split power off the USB.

    I doubt they'd make this available for the end user but likely created it as a pitch for Dell. I forwarded the Asetek link to Bill already and he's going to pass it on to Louis (AW engineering). We'll see what comes of it.
     
    5150Joker, Mar 20, 2012
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  17. bumbo2

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    I think it will be posible, I use to tear down my bird with no problem.
     
    bumbo2, Mar 20, 2012
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  18. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    ^^Yes yes yes bring it on! Battle of the Mods!!!
     
    widezu69, Mar 20, 2012
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    wowwwwww me want now. 5ghz in 3920XM :D...
     
    Zero989, Mar 20, 2012
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  20. skaun

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    sounds cool
     
    skaun, Mar 20, 2012
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    ... wow...
    where is the tank/radiator located i wonder o_O

    *edit*
    holy crap now i see it.
    this is nuts! I WANT!!!!

    this is definately one of these " shut up and take my money" moments.
     
    xeroxide, Mar 20, 2012
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    Say whaaaaat! Very interesting. I'll need to see numbers for the temperature and noise though.
     
    GTRagnarok, Mar 20, 2012
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    if it means cooler temps for loss of my cd drive :eek: :eek: :eek: sweet deal
     
    warez420, Mar 20, 2012
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    I am AMAZED. =O!!!
     
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    ME GUSTA MUTCHOOOOOOOOOOOO! :D
    Well if this goes up my bank account goes down xD, just kidding, but I hope this goes forward great inovation, it was long the wait but brace yourselfs watercooling in laptops are coming.
     
    Lp18, Mar 20, 2012
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    That looks amazing! Too bad i just got my M17x R3 about 6 months ago :(

    I wonder when it will be avaliable to purchase if it comes out? :p
     
    Linkim, Mar 20, 2012
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    now that's what i call an enthusiast! this is the real thing! im glad i really went with m18x! no regrets :)
     
    reaversedge, Mar 20, 2012
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    me too :D im really impressed that alienware made a distinction in their flagship laptop
     
    reaversedge, Mar 20, 2012
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    Wowzaz, nice find. That is a mighty fine prototype. :D
     
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    I know it showed the m18x but if we can manage to squeeze this into an m17x r2 I would LOVE that.
     
    Len1304, Mar 20, 2012
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    really! that's bad.
     
    bumbo2, Mar 20, 2012
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    It takes a long way from making one working prototype to a final product that will not only last but won't negatively affect certain areas, like ease of maintenance, long term reliability and safety.

    The entire module in the video is sealed, so that can only be dismantled as one piece. So, in order to replace a video card, the techs would need to remove the entire cooling assembly. The question is, would it be safe to frequently remove/re-seat the cooling module? We all know how often we need to open our beasts, be it upgrades, replacements or routine maintenance. Would the liquid cooling be affected by frequent shakes and bumps when transporting the laptop?

    And of course, it would be very interesting to see some actual numbers. What's the efficiency gain vs the stock cooling and what are the load temps on the CPU @4.4ghz.

    I'm sure, this prototype will spark a lot of interest and the idea will evolve. Sooner or later we gonna see some very impressive improvements in notebook cooling! :)
     
    Aikimox, Mar 20, 2012
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    I'm not very impressed with what they accomplished as far as the overclocking is concerned, but I do find the potential to do a lot more to be interesting. I would be looking for more than 5GHz on CPU and 850+ on the GTX 580M GPU before I would be impressed with liquid cooling.
     
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  36. SlickDude80

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    Sold

    Where can i buy this? lol
     
    SlickDude80, Mar 20, 2012
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  37. wild05kid05

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    Crazy


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
     
    wild05kid05, Mar 20, 2012
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  38. Aikimox

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    Haha, try running 44x8 sitting on a flat desk @ 80F room with a dual-piped HS ;)
    I know, there are few guys who claim to run cool and smooth even at higher frequencies, but they all have some tricks up their sleeves (cooler pad, low room temp, elevated back, dice, etc or simply don't consider 90C+ and/or throttling in Prime95 to be a big deal).

    On the other hand, I'm not too sure the guys at asetek did in fact run @ those speeds. It seems logical to assume that all they did was to set the level 3 OC' in BIOS and slightly bump it so that only a single core does in fact run @ 4.4ghz. Or set all multipliers to 44, that way the load frequencies would most likely be under 4ghz for 8 threads.
     
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  39. Kevin

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    Wow. Now that is the future. I don't even want to know what it would cost today.
     
    Kevin, Mar 20, 2012
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    Having a few tricks up the sleeve is a necessity. ;) But, I agree with you. I'm skeptical about what they did in their testing. Unless they are using liquid nitrogen or something exotic, I have a difficult time seeing that tiny little system being all that effective.

    If you look at the Futuremark scores that they are boasting about in their video, they're really not exceptional benchmark scores... at least, not for an M18x. It comes across as being a bit deceptive at first blush.

    [​IMG]

    Anyhow, it's still pretty darned cool conceptually. Now, if they can perfect it and achieve truly remarkable results, it might turn out to be impressive.

    Agree... Merged ;) ...happens frequently.
     
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    Wow, THAT was real! I thought it is just a theory, I hope they keep developing it because I would sure like to see these liquid cooling on my M14x, lol.
     
    CGSDR, Mar 20, 2012
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    doesn't matter the cost

    as soon as its available, i'm buying it...i'm sure they will make one for most laptops
     
    SlickDude80, Mar 20, 2012
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    eventually, eventually !
     
    wild05kid05, Mar 21, 2012
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    i think Asetek is already partners with Alienware/Dell, i was just on there site poking around, and there products are used in alot of feature systems....

    aurora.jpg

    desktop cooling package's from them consisting of 1 cpu, 2 gpu, and pump/ radiator comes to 250-400 $ ....
    so i think if they did offer this it would only be $500 - $800.
    if it means 20-30% cooler... count me in! :D



    And on a side note, did anybody notice the speakers were cut out on there m18? you can see it at 0:15 seconds...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4a1RukOzA&feature=channel
     
    warez420, Mar 21, 2012
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    battery life ?
     
    wild05kid05, Mar 21, 2012
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    That's true, Warez, the AIO liquid coolers in their desktops are all rebadged Aseteks.
     
    katalin_2003, Mar 21, 2012
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  47. Tsunade_Hime

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    If it can drastically cut down on fan noise, I'm all for it. Unfortunately water coolers still need to have fans to remove heat from the system..
     
    Tsunade_Hime, Mar 21, 2012
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    I'm very exited about this (I never even dared to dream about it), but they will definitly need to find some kind of sweet spot between the cost, and the possible performance gains for that cost.

    The higher cost could for example be offset by using desktop cpu's, if this would be possible ofcourse. Instead of buying a 1000€ extreme cpu, one would get a simple 200€ intel 2500 for example, and spend the other 3-600€ on the cooling system which will also benefit the gpu's.

    Or would this be impossible?
     
    Partizan, Mar 21, 2012
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    It is, look at the X7200 per example. But I doubt Dell will put a desktop CPU in any laptop.
     
    katalin_2003, Mar 21, 2012
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    Battery life shouldn't be affected too much by the pump. Desktop pumps use anywhere from 10-20W, so I'd guess a laptop pump would be around the 5-10W range.

    As for fans: Yes, it's true that most watercooling setups need fans. If you have enough radiator (which a laptop won't, due to space restrictions) you can run it passively. The thing to bear in mind though is that water is far more efficient at removing heat than air is, so for a given heat load, the fans will be spinning a lot slower than if the same load were being dissipated with air cooling.
     
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