New 8970m/8990m Coming SOON!!

Hi guys i just checked with ebay seller upgradeyourlaptop about AMD 8970m/8990m and i got this mail back just 5 min ago!

"we expect to start shipping both of them around May.
we have some early samples that we are testing already.
Check with me in about 1 months
8970M will be 2Gb and 8990M will be 4GB"

So im really exited to the boost of this new GPU on my Alienware M18X R2, what u guys think?

 

If they continue to be cheaper than the other company's products, why not

 

Sounds good. I can't wait to see what AMD brings to the table against NVIDIA this year.

 

New and improved high performance products are always exciting. I just hope they won't release another defective product without appropriate drivers this time. Releasing and then stopping distribution followed by having to wait another 4 to 6 months to have stable hardware that performed well was pretty painful for a lot of folks. It soured more than a few on the product and the company. The late adopters had a much better experience than those that were eager to have the new thing. The wise upgraders will take a wait and see approach before spending any hard-earned cash on it.

 

This actually has a chance of being a new chip too, they were talking about targeting the mobile high end with something in between the 7800 and 7900 series IIRC.

I'm interested to see, maybe 8970M is a re badge/tweak and the 8990M would be the new one. We will have to wait and see.

 

Great stuff. They are going to have to be a decent step up from 7970m both in hardware and software to make me upgrade and stick with AMD again.
The 680m's seem to be showing a clear lead at the moment, especially for OCing. I guess it depends on alot of things but, If they are around 40% faster, cheap, and use the same heat sinks as 7970m I might be tempted to upgrade.

 

I'm very curious what the new batch of AMD cards will bring in performance, i'm also quite pleased with the performance/price balance with the 7970m.

I'm also sure Eurocom would love to sell us all their dud cards... ^^
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...-had-trouble-eurocom-k-upgradeyourlaptop.html

 

Well at stock the 7970M and 680M are pretty close without enduro issues, the overclocking was not intentional from Nvidia, but it is there and it creates a gap, if a new AMD chip is faster then it will have a lead at stock.

 

I'd be quite glad if AMD did a come back: I think they own it to their customers. But in order to do that they'd have to release a product that's powerful, effective, well-supported, and most of all stable and consistent since the release. I was an AMD customer some time ago, and I wouldn't mind own again AMD GPUs if they would fit the description above.

 

Well if they hope a high end mobile chip to be successful then they better.

 

Any information (specs) on these new products or is it still speculation?

 

AMD is forever a lost cause for me.

I got M18x R2 with 7970M CF and I more or less gave up on it. I'm not selling it

but I'm not spending much time on it either.

Like everybody else, I waited 4+ months for the decent driver and the beta drivers

I tried meantime was extremely frustrating to say the least.

AMD is still releasing beta drivers (7 betas in one month) and I'm not gonna even

bother.

I do pretty much all my gaming on M14x with Nvidia 650M. Certainly not as impressive as

7970M CF setup but it's trouble- and headache- free, the way PC gaming should be.



Why would anybody wanna spend their hard-earned money on AMD product is way beyond me.

 

I have to agree with you. From what I have read, AMD has a lot of issues with drivers - a lot. NVIDIA releases a beta and then perfects it within a month in an official release (sometimes sooner). Not saying the AMD cards are bad, but driver support is horrible. You can probably search this forum and find at least 3 AMD related issues for every NVIDIA related issue - it's embarrassing, nonetheless. But this is where people begin to argue the price of the NVIDIA cards over the AMD cards.

In my opinion, spending another $500 for a quality product is worth it in the long run - you really get what you pay for when it comes to NVIDIA.

 

This article explains about as much as we know:

AnandTech - AMD Reiterates 2013 GPU Plans: Sea Islands & Beyond

 

You boys ever get sick of this conversation? I sure do.

This is an AMD thread.

If Nvidia has a problem or a broken product, it is simply an anomaly and should be ignored.

If AMD has a problem, it is the end of the world and should completely obliterate their reputation. They'll never recover from it, and their cards are garbage and always will be.

You're right, AMD did release 7 updates in February, but this simply can NOT be misconstrued as a step forward or them trying to make things right. No, they're stupid and can never do anything right.

Give me a break.

I'm glad that two companies are competing for sales. If one of the two goes down, then watch the quality plummet and the prices skyrocket.

 

Where is the new workstation card base on 7970m or 8970m/8990m? I want to keep 10bit for the sake of 10bit ~~

 

While it may be annoying for several of us, and even to myself at times, we have to consider new members and what we can do to help prevent them from making a decision they may regret. By discussing AMD's history of driver issues in this new "8000 series" AMD thread -- which will likely be linked to Google on every search about these new cards -- we provide prospective owners and new members with information they may not have found otherwise. It's annoying, but a necessary evil, per say. It's better for everyone if all of the information from both sides is put on the table.

 

If I could I'd give ten likes for that comment.

I agree with you that competition is good. On the other hand it sounds like you're sick and tired of hearing how unreliable AMD products are. Be prepared because it's highly likely you'll be hearing a LOT more and with good reason. AMD never gets it right. If they'd bump the price and spent the extra on a worth while driver dev team than maybe but that's not gonna happen because than the fanboys would whine saying: "aww,AMD pulled an Nvidia on us" lol

 

To each their own!

 

I haven't had a single issue with my single 7970m in the month I've had it. Hopefully the next generation is even better

 

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that AMD was happy with their enthusiast 7900 series line as being the "fastest" and therefore the "8000" will likely be slower than the current flagship until 2014. Even if the 8000 series is almost as fast or slightly faster, it is not an enthusiast card so purchasing these cards would seem pointless when buying an enthusiast machine line an Alienware. So really I don't even understand any of the excitement about these new cards coming out...

 

When you're done cracking jokes, please provide links to any substantiating evidence that you are able to find.

I've checked market shares, Nvidia VS AMD failure rates, and whatever else I could find. Even forums where people blatantly ask if Nvidia is better than AMD don't provide anything.

Personal experiences are nice, but they don't provide an precise cross section of what's really going on.

 

Nobody really knows much at this point about the new GPUs or how they will perform. We will need to wait and see when more information becomes available. It's hard to tell by naming conventions any more. Bigger numbers don't always mean bigger performance. There is not enough detail to know what any of these will perform. Seems there are mixed messages and probably misinformation floating around, which makes speculation even more futile at this point. But, there is no harm in having hope.

I think this might be what daveh98 is referring to: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...lding-out-8000-series-gpu-you-can-stop-p.html

What they do with desktop GPUs versus mobile may also be totally different. Since performance laptop enthusiasts are a comparative small consumer group, and there are not very many bonafide high performance laptops available, they may not even be referring to mobile GPUs in the above article.

Thanks for the link. That's about the most information available right now.

 

I too hope that AMD provides a stunningly powerful card - with great support from the start, obviously. As we all know, as with anything in life, when there is competition about, the other competitor will have to strive harder to produce something equally as good, but hopefully, better. In which case, we might see a good/better "counter-attack" by Nvidia......

Good competition is healthy - if one manufacturer dominated all the time, we'd be stuck with whatever they wanted to throw at us. This way, we would hopefully see good products being released from both sides of the fence.

 

Nvidia will blow them out of the water soon enough AMD buyers will get great performance at the start but then it'll hit the fan and drivers will come out once a month fixing bugs

 

Well, for those that do go with a new AMD product, I hope that they get cards/drivers that gives them a good experience. If Nvidia better it, that's all gravy.....and so the endless cycle continues for the mantle of "king of the mobile gpu"

 

This is the first conversation that I have ever "liked" on this forum.

Agreed.
This is an AMD thread, said so in the title. You green boys keep posting your little snarky comments to feel validated about spending more. But do it in your own thread.
I'm still plenty happy with my machine and I couldn't give two craps if you think yours is better than mine just because it has green stickers instead of red ones.

I have never had a single driver issue with my 6990 M17x R3, either of my 2 M18x that had 6990 CF, or my current 7970 CF M18x R2. The guy I sold my M18x 580m SLI to is still having problems with his drivers.

 

Ok, I asked for any screen shot of GPU-Z or 3D Mark Benchmark but he is unable to share the info with us right now. Here what he said:

"can't do this yet - we are under NDA and can't provide any public info till formal release date. But check with me in about 2 weeks - we maybe be able to get OK sooner"

Will post the info at sec i get it.

Guys b cool. Its just for the people who have interest on upcoming Amd 8970m or 8990m. Fanboys, lovers haters please do not fight here! I am very new here and just want to say, if anyone can help with the right info, u are most welcome otherwise just read the information if u have interest.

I used Every Major realised card from Nvidia And AMD. Talking about Notebook Versions obviously. Currently using 675m Sli on my M18x R2. Had 7970m 3 months back. I honestly believe there are +-10-20% between AMD and Nvidia, and it goes both way. Will buy 8970m/8990m when it comes out. Also probably GTX 780m

Anyway just want to say please help us to help u!

 

Unlikely, nvidia have no new chips any sooner.

 

Some of the "snarky comments" are from enthusiasts that have had product-specific problems and have a very good basis for being skeptical. It would be natural and appropriate to approach something new from the same brand with caution and skepticism. There is no harm in sharing facts as long as it is done tactfully. I agree that statements of a personal belief that a product is going to be no good before it is even released based on a bad experience in the past adds no value, and it is not tactful.

At the end of the day, true performance enthusiasts don't care about the brand name as long as they have the best high-performance product available and it works correctly 99.9% of the time. Price is irrelevant if performance is paramount. Cheap is good if you can get that as part of the package and still be king of the hill. Being a value shopper that is satisfied with "good" rather than a die-hard performance enthusiast also has a place at the table. For those that are fanboys or haters without a basis for their opinions, just ignore them. As Abraham Lincoln said, "Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt."

The fact that you even know about it may be a violation of the NDA and the person that shared the information with you may not be using appropriate discretion. If something is shared with you, including screen shots, please do not post it here if the information has not been released to the public.

 

If AMD lives up to their promise of a 20% perf./watt improvement than nvidia might actually be in a bit of trouble. Of course they'd have to use those gcn arch improvements they were promising last year which we don't know if they're ready with or not. If they have them they'll probably push it out without proper testing just to be first as usual. Than we can listen to how crap they are for the first few months. As usual. lol

 

GTX780m = GTX68 5m @ 958x2500mhz (similar up to Desktop GTX680, with the same hardwaresetup)
HD8970m = HD7970m probably clocks 1000x1200mhz (similar to Desktop WibledonXT-GPU aka HD7870)
HD8990m = TahitiXT with 800x1350MHZ on a 256bit SI, or maybe 800x1200MHZ on a 384bit SI (GCN1.x)

 

I think this is the kind of "snarky" comment that AMD fans are saying they not happy with. It's wise to learn from past experience, but there is always a chance they will get it right the next time. Maybe reserving that kind of comment for later as an "I told you so" or "more of the same" commentary would be better if it actually happens the same way again. (I'm skeptical too, but the sentiments are understandable since this is a speculation thread about new hardware that some folks are very excited about.) The first part of your comments should not be offensive to anyone, as you are reciting what AMD has told us to expect.

 

Mr. Fox, you and me any many other members of this forum have used for a number of years AMD / ATi cards and in the end got so much disappointment and frustration that didn't know how to run faster from such products... AMD will never change, unless they will increase their price margin and do something about the driver support. This is going on for so long now!

 

A taihiti core at 1.2-1.35ghz? Erm what? Laptops dont have a 200-250W TDP for the graphics card.

 

What sort of Problems do you mean? I don´t have Problems with my cfx-setup!

@Meaker

800MHz for the core 1350 for the vram

 

You'd still be looking at 150W for that then.

 

GCN1.x should be have an improved manufacturing process. So i expect 130W - maybe a cfx-Setup goes obsolet, with new Mainboards maybe not...

 

You're blessed to not have any problems. I'm not going to derail this thread any more than it already has been. The problems were severe, frequent and well documented in the forums. They don't affect everyone, but those that are or have been affected don't have warm fuzzies.

Let's stay on topic with the speculation and discussions about the "8970m/8990m Coming SOON!!" My previous post was a gentle effort to stop the negative comments and posts about unpleasant past experiences. It's just not polite to come in and rain on the parade, and for all we know the next AMD mobile GPU might turn out to be an NVIDIA slayer.

No more confrontational posts or complaining about past experience with AMD's existing products. I'll delete them if I see them.

 

And me, and others like Gerd Weller are having no such problems. And I have every intention of buying the next generation ATI cards so that's why I'm here trying to get more information.

 

There was a Problem as users got bsods - especially to boot in Windows or to surf was not possible. the real Problem was certainly that dell had never published the right Driver (Intel RST) which fits to the Rom from the chipset.

Also i read something about manufacturing-Problems with the 7970m. the Problem afaik was, that the manufacture-factory has bulid wrong capacitors on the pcb. so, the Cards were not build in the USA, they will build in China, so i don´t know if amd or foxconn decided to the wrong capacitors.

 

Hey thanks Mr Fox!!! Go ahead and edit my confrontational content, but leave in juliant's rant about how AMD should run the company (increase price margins)...

the fact remains that I was here trying to learn more about the cards in the title of this thread and he clearly was not...

 

It's an identical manufacturing process, any improvements we see in the current chips.

 

I like AMD/ATI, and I like nvidia also

And I'm keen on seeing what cards they both bring, so I can deck out 2 Alienwares with them and enjoy both

 

I'm not trying to offend any one. AMD has screwed up a couple of times with recent products. 5870m deaths. 6970m huge overheating + a large number of cards dying. 7970m driver issues. Memory controller issues. Just as nvidia screwed up with the 480m which was garbage + fermi overall being very inefficient. I'm hoping they'll get it right actually. In fact I hope they'll be faster and cheaper than the 780m because that would force nvidia to make an even faster product or cut the price. Both would be good for the green team.

 

Let me clarify what I mean here. I just deleted a post. Having a low opinion about a company and expressing that opinion is not confrontational. I don't want to see any more posts like that in this thread because it is off topic. Out of common courtesy, we should avoid posting things that we know will cause distress or angst for our friends. The point about this being an AMD thread is something that needs to be respected. Some people are sensitive and get upset if anyone does not like the same products they do, and there is nothing we can do about people that personalize the opinions of others. Nobody likes to know that someone else thinks they have an ugly baby, even though nothing is said.

However, saying things directed toward an individual person, or a group of individuals, that are knowingly rude or insulting is confrontational and it is not allowed under forum rules. The part of your post that I removed and the post that I just deleted (not from you) were things that are, at best, not polite things to say to a person. This is where thinking someone has an ugly baby crosses the line and you tell them, "my god, you have an ugly child."

Hope this helps.

Not that I believe you would intentionally. It's hard to know how people are going to interpret things in writing. In a spot where tensions are building, using humor can easily backfire. Especially if a person needs meds and has not taken them. All I am asking for here is for everyone to be considerate and refrain from making this a thread for dredging up the past as the AMD fans talk about the future.

The topic of discussion is 8970m/8990m, not other video cards, current or past, or other brands. I apologize if anything I said earlier in the thread contributed in any way to going off topic. That was not my intent, but I want to avoid replicating that.

I hope they keep dual-GPU configurations. It would be a terrible shame and an unwelcomed compromise for them to do away with them. If your predictions come true with respect to the 130W it will require more than a new motherboard design. They will need to also provide, at bare minimum, a 400W AC adapter (500W would be better) because the current 330W AC adapter is already inadequate to support a heavily overclocking XM and two 7970M that are heavily overclocked and over-volted. In reality, the 7970M and 680M when over-volted and overclocked already draw substantially more than their 100W spec.

 

Ok boss. I'll keep it professional than.

HD8990m = TahitiXT with 800x1350MHZ on a 256bit SI, or maybe 800x1200MHZ on a 384bit SI (GCN1.x) 384bit bus would need a completely new and bigger mxm card + tahitixt cores are quite inefficient. What he claims would need about 160-170W

GTX780m = GTX685m @ 958x2500mhz (similar up to Desktop GTX680, with the same hardwaresetup) This card would need a tdp around 150W.

Neither are realistic by any means.

The 8990m even with a brand new,20% more efficient core wouldn't have more than 1500 shaders and a 256bit bus. Even that's a long shot though it would definitely be cool.
On the green side we can be extremely happy if we get the fully unlocked gk114 and ram running at 1200mhz. Again that's a long shot.

 

hehe, can't wait!!!

 

I think perhaps going from 1280 shaders to 1536 with the same 32 ROPs and 256bit mem bus with a core frequency of 800mhz-850mhz as a new chip without any of the compute the 79xx series adds in would make sense.

 

If they managed to achieve that 20% Perf/W improvement than it's definitely possible. They'd have a huge winner on their hands with that one. With proper driver support it'd kick 780m's butt big time. lol