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    *OFFICIAL* Alienware M18xR1/R2/18 Benchmark Thread - Part 3

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Mr. Fox, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. steviejones133

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    Awesome scoring there! - makes me wanna.......buy one.....
     
  2. Mr. Fox

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    That's better. Now the image qualifies for the leaderboard. Either Johnksss or I will update that for you.
     
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    Seems like the Clevo benchmarking fold are a little lonely too. Keep them coming bud. Psychologically speaking, 2nd place usually tries harder than the top dog. Let's hope some of the mentality trickles down to team Dell sooner rather than later.
    In the mean time, I think I need to get familiar with brother Fox's dual PSU blue prints. I'm hitting a wall at around 15,000P.
     
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    Naw, I don't care about that. Just want to show the benching community what it can do. ;)
     
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    Yay! Keep 'em coming, Q56! It has been a long time since the Clevo dual-GPU flagship was able to dominate in benchmarks and there is plenty of room for both camps at the top of the laptop food chain. It looks like they really have their act together in terms of performance this year with a better BIOS, along with the 4930K on X79. Competition is good for keeping both brands on their toes and I am very happy to see it. I don't want either brand to become complacent about extreme performance. Of course, the down side to this might be all of the jealous haters that want to throw stones at everything better than what they own, so brace yourself for being an object of contempt among all of the snot-nosed yuppies. Whether it is a lecture on price to performance ratio, being accused of being an elitist snob, or something far more ridiculous, Alienware fans are used to that nonsense, LOL.
     
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    you mean how everyone is saying wasted money on an overpriced machine? I got my 2nd R2 with 3920xm with only one 660m for only $1400... with parts from random people and build it from chassis :D

    i am being tempted to buy it so many times, Meaker was able to get 4930k running in his notebook 4.3ghz under 93C.. pretty amazing. still that outdated x79 is holding me back. I am probably jumping to clevo soon as they make a haswell E compatible machine. until then two R2 dominates my house and room.
     
  9. MUERTE 75

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    Hello All!

    First time: Happy New Year All!
    Yesterday arrived my second 780M and i build instantly :)
    First bench stock vbios,stock vga clocks: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2
    Today i flashed unlocked vbios,but ~ same problem when i use 7970M CFX system.
    I don't know change second vga die clock :( Voltage/memory change working fine,but die clock still 850MHz...
    I try NV inspector,EVGA PrecisionX and same results.Try synch,not synch same results.Power target was on 146%.First card die clock change,secondary not :(
    Any idea maybe? I use stock A10 bios, need maybe unlocked BIOS?
    Thanks for answer!
     
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    Did you flash both card's bios with nvflash -i0 and -i1.
     
  11. MUERTE 75

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    Yes.Same the vbios.This problem little weird for me.Same when i use 7970M cfx.

    Capturevbios.PNG

    I can change secondary vga mem/voltage and working fine,only die clock still 850MHz.
     
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    perhaps mobo issue?
     
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    Probably some from of user error we haven't identified yet. It is not likely to be a hardware issue.

    Might as well go ahead and flash A10 unlocked BIOS. It definitely won't hurt even if it does not have any effect on this problem.
     
  14. MUERTE 75

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    I fully understand maybe this user error,but what's wrong?

    GPU 0 : Captureg02.PNG Capturegpu0.PNG

    GPU 1 : Capturegpu12.PNG Capturegpu1.PNG

    HWiNFO: Capturehwinfo.PNG
     
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    try a reflash from dos

    nvflash -5 -6 whatever.rom

    hit y twice

    then reboot
     
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    Thanks,done but same results :(
     
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    and you are sure it flashed both cards?
    and if so, explain how you know....

    also, try another vbios for good measure.
     
  18. MUERTE 75

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    First time i type nvflash -i0 -6 xyz.rom hit yes after dos pop up ask: overwrite subvendor? type yes,results : succesful
    Next card : nvflash -i1 -6 xyz.rom after etc. : succesful

    Now: I type nvflash -5 -6 xyz.rom need type yes,first card succesful,need type again yes,second card: succesful
    Really don't know whats wrong :(

    Update: I try flash back original vbios.
    command: dir,nvflash -a,nvflash -i0 -6 dell.rom,type yes need overwrite ID :succesful
    reboot,dir,nvflash -a,nvflash -i1 -6 dell.rom,overwrite ID: succesful

    Results when i run GPUz render test:
    Capturerender1.PNG Capturerender2.PNG

    Only one card flash succes :(
     
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    if all that failed....you can try to use evga precision to see if it will set both cards...just to see...
     
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    EVGA Precision same results... first card run 850/1250MHz, 1.00V,second card 770/1250MHz 0,962V :(
    My flash metod was on correct?
     
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    yes, it's all correct....

    what are you using the nvflash -a for?
    nvm: i see why

    edit:
    also try re-installing the driver using the have disk method.
    from device manager you would install driver on bottom card first, then do it for the top card. then reboot, renable sli and see if it works then.
     
  22. MUERTE 75

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    Thanks a lot for help! nvflash -a not need,only adapter info.
    I try driver install and tomorrow new OS install maybe help for me :(
     
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    the only other reason for what is going on is the card is locked out by the driver. and what you are trying to do is unlock it. i have no explanation for why this happens, only that it does from time to time and can take some time to unlock it back to normal.
     
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    I uninstall driver for deviece manager,reboot,was on standard vga adapter,800x600 resolution.After install 331.82WHQL,restart,SLI enabled,restart and same result... first card run 950MHz,second card only 850MHz.I know OC second card,Inspector or EVGA Precision,but not working when run render test... I try maybe oldest NV driver?
     
  25. Mr. Fox

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    edit: you beat me too it. lol

    you forget, it boost your clocks up to 849/1250

    just do an over clocked run of 3dmark 11 and post back.
     
  28. MUERTE 75

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    lol sorry :D I could boost clock 823MHz not 850MHz
    Well i try OC +160/ +200MHz 1,025V but freeze 3DMark11 :) Need extra voltage or PSU problem? :) CPU run 4,3GHz all 4 core,flex vid 25
     
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    no, boost is 771 to 849 on all of these dell cards.

    and just run 100/200 no volt adjustments.
     
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    +100/200,1.00V result: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2
    Graphics score: 17144
    I think working OC all card.I good think,or not...? :D :(
    Please see my XTU settings correct?Need change maybe some options?
    Capturextu.PNG

    Update: If i try +135/200 1.012V freeze...maybe this PSU issue? I kick max. RPM fans when run test.
     
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    it's far from being a psu issue. more like a user error issue. LOL
    you have up to 440W and right now...you are no where even remotely close to that...so keep testing and trying.. :)
     
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    Yes,this 100% user error :D I'm n00b if need M18x OC...
    Install new win7 and i come back.Try new round :D

    UPDATE: So i really sad :( Install fresh win7,but problem not solved....
    If i run GPUz render test,second vga value still 850MHz.I try only +120 die clock,stock mmemory, 1.00V all cards and first graphics test freeze when run 3DMark11...
    I downgrade A010 to A09 Bios maybe...NV settings change maximum performance,CPU downclock 4,2GHz,uninstall KB2670838 and crash,crash,crash...Asics quality not very good.70,6 %/72,2%.
    Well no more idea whats wrong :(
     
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    I know you said you enabled SLI in CP, and rebooted. But go back in NVCP and make sure it is still enabled. If not then it is mis-matched vBIOS.
     
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    SLI working and vbios correct.When start system i see Master johnkss and svl7 logo :)No there other boost clock when i see GPUz.850/1200MHz all 2 cards.
    I can OC-ing second card,but not working,only 850MHz still.Not working... Memory OC and voltage change working fine.
    Totally don't understand...When i use 7970M's was on same problem.I think maybe something mobo safe or lock issue but i don't know what the...
     
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    Unsync the cards and clock individually. Check gpuz pull down at bottom for each card top see what clocks are
     
  36. MUERTE 75

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    Yes i always change individually.Interesting moment i don't know install oldest driver...i copy correct suitable mod .inf file and not found compatible hardware :) I try 331,58/331.65 WHQL and same results.This horror story :D All system driver 100% good,i only not install the Intel HD graphics driver/ Intel Rapid Storage.
     
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    Intel management engine installed? How about your dot net. Windows updates done fully?

    Any error messages in device manager?
     
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    No reason not to install intel integrated graphics driver. Install it
     
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    hey John, how much power does it take to run two stock 780m compared to when you OC them? I am midding of modding my heatsink and the touchpad piece but I don't wanna do dual power supply mod. would running two 680/780m at stock while OC CPU to say, 4.8ghz be too much power for single PSU?
     
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    thats one thing I wish clevo got an integrated graphics but too bad its dependent on intel.
     
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    you can go fairly high on stock psu.
    And 4.8 ghz is fine on single psu.
     
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    Without posting pics (bc I'm lazy :)), I have an AW18 with 4930mx and 780m sli. I used XTU to increase multi's to 43. I OC'ed GPU +100 core/+400 mem and ran 3DMark11 stable, but only scored 12650. Graphics was 14.8k.
    I'm noticing (especially on Mr. Fox's GPUz screen), that there are a few differences, such as Texture Fillrate, Pixel Fillrate, Bandwidth, etc. I know Fox has a dual power adapter mod, etc, etc, but I would love to break 14k total score! Possible? I tried increasing my clocks to something similar to Fox's and I crash immediately starting 3DMark :)

    Thanks!

    Here's what I look like so far:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hi! Congratulations on your new machine. 3DMark11 is one of the toughest to achieve great results because everything has to be dialed in just right. The CPU performance plays a much more important role in achieving a good overall score than it does in some other benchmarks, like Fire Strike. You can actually get a really high overall score in Fire Strike without needing to have as high of a physics score. The overall score is affected to a lesser extent by the CPU for some reason. Maybe Futuremark did that so Haswell owners and those with locked processors would feel better about how their benchmark scores look compared to those with a more potent CPU.

    The dual AC adapter mod does not provide any benefit for the 18. It is only useful for the M18xR1/R2. The 18 has a power-handling limitation that turns the machine off once it hits a certain threshold close to the functional limits of a single AC adapter. It seems they were pretty accurate at finding out the capacity of the AC adapter and setting something internally to match. Hitting a 16K overall score in 3DMark11 is going to take a lot of effort and even a greater measure of luck with the 18 because of the power handling limitation.

    Your current GPU overclock is approaching the core clock speed limit for stock voltage. You will need to bump the voltage up a little bit to go higher than that. The highest you can go is about 1.087V without tripping the AC adapter or the laptop shutting itself off. Which one happens first is random. This voltage should get you in the range of 1075-1100MHz on core speed.
     
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    Should get over 15k gpu score on stock clocks. Monitor gpu temp while running 3dm11. You may be throttling.
     
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    Very possible. I had my voltage at 1.050v and this wasn't necessary for the OC'ing I am currently doing on the GPUs.
    I was also having unexplained lag in BF4 for no reason. This was either due to the voltage being too high and the slave card not bumping to full load, and/or not setting my pre-rendered frames (which I modified in nvidia inspector). I changed both variables simultaneously, so i'm not sure which change provided the solution, but now I run BF4 silky smooth - as it should be.

    I monitored my temps while running BF4 last night (during the midst of the issue), and noticed the card was approaching 82c.
    I'm sure that running 3DMark could get the temps to approach 90c+ where it starts to throttle. This has happened to me before as I used to have a 680m SLI config. Mind you I do have the slv7* modified vBIOS, which I was told disables throttling. Maybe this isn't the case. I remember reading that once these cards hit 92c throttling is inevitable.

    Additionally, I have disabled core parking.

    I haven't benched after taking my voltages down, which will lower temps. I will report back with my findings.

    I hope this helps anyone having issues with an SLI configuration playing BF4.

    Great info. thanks.
     
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    I'm not sure BF4 is a good measurement to use because everything I hear about it is that BF4 is a poorly optimized mess.
     
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    Cards will still throttle with unlocked vbios. Set driver back to nvidia stock. 1.05 isn't going to over heat those cards so you got something else going on. Monitor the gpu temps while you bench 3dm11 gpu tests only. One or both of your cards are too hot.

    Test with no oc's, no overvoltage
     
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    Will do. Not using BF4 as a measurement tool. And yes, the game is very poorly optimized. However it can still be ran smoothly in a single GPU setting without modifications.
    I was just saying that after I made some modifications to the SLI setup everything was fine :) This must have been pre-rendered frames. There are many threads about this. Glad this worked for me.

    I will definitely go back and bench using stock clocks. Noted regarding the voltage.
    Will start with a stock benchmark then increase accordingly based on temp. recordings.

    Again, really appreciate the quick responses and help.
    I'll report back my findings.
     
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    So I ran 3DMark with stock settings and achieved a 12.1k score.
    Temps did not reach over 82c.

    I did find something interesting, though.
    GPUz says one of my cards only maxes out at 3% load....I found this interesting bc the card didn't get above 50c.

    When I run a render test in GPUz, it looks like one of my cards is running at 3.0 and the other 1.1!
    They both start at 3, then one card drops to 1.1.

    This is what got me to think about this issue:

    "sOUNDS LIKE YOUR STUCK IN 1.0 MODE INSTEAD OF GOING TO 3.0 WHEN the 3d acceleration starts..
    down load gpu-z and run the render test... see if the cards go from a 2.0 state to 3.0 state.. and check both cards//the tab at the bottom will let you do that..
    I had an issue like yours and 1 card wasn't coming out of the lower state affecting the performance.. a quick reseat of the cards cured this.."



    Thoughts?
     
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