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    *OFFICIAL* Alienware M18xR1/R2/18 Benchmark Thread - Part 3

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Mr. Fox, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Mr. Fox

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    With the über-cooler, of course :D Even cool air to assist it's on the verge of thermal shutdown. Haswell is just way too hot, LOL... crazy hot.

    Now, if it had the power management ability to stay running with the CPU and GPUs both overclocked like that, we would would have an all-around benching monster.
     
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    woodzstack Alezka Computers , Official Clevo reseller.

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    Can not seem to get the videocards to hit full performance, they stay underclocked as if there is no load, or any 3d going on.

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    meh.. congratz me.
     
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    LOL by 2 points, kept running it till get a highest score? that thing even consistent or just like CDM gives a different score almost every run.

    anyway, congratz you
     
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    Try using ThrottleStop to manage your CPU. Your system is probably on the verge of running out of power.
     
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    hi guys whats the max 3dmark firestrike scores you got for 780m sli? also how much max oc i can do on my 780m sli using stock volts and the overvolting? i am running johnkss and svl7 unlocked oc bios for 780m in my both 780m sli now
     
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    Look on the first page of this thread.
     
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    Open NVIDIA Control Panel. Be sure you are not using "Let the 3D application decide" and if so switch it to "Use the advanced 3D image settings" then click on "Take me there" link. On your Global Profile, change anything related to Quality to High Performance and turn off any settings that are focused on image quality. You should mostly a bunch of "Off" and "High Performance" settings when you are done. Click "Apply" and close NVCP.

    If you have this Windows Update, get rid of it: [WARNING!] KB2670838 - You don't want this Windows Update!

    Your CPU is what is killing your score more than the 780M SLI settings. You need to sort that out first before you burn any more calories on your video card performance. Considering how poorly your CPU is performing, the GPU performance is not really that low. Your Graphics score is artificially low because of the Physics score.

    I just ran this benchmark with my GPUs running at stock speed and 4.3GHz on the CPU. Look at the comparison: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1094378/fs/1094723 and make particular note of your Physics (CPU) score and the "Maximum turbo core clock" on your side of the comparison. Looks like your CPU is throttling down to 1.2GHz and that is what is ruining your benchmark result more than anything else. This can be caused by incorrect BIOS CPU power settings or overheating. We have to figure out which one is causing it.

    If you have an unlocked BIOS, set 43x4, flex at 18, max out the turbo power and time windows settings, then go to the menu with pri plane and set that at 0 (zero). Be sure the MSR Lock setting just above pri plane is set to "Disabled" then press F10 to save and exit the BIOS. If you are in a warm area, you might want to use HWiNFO64 and force your fans to run full blast during the benchmark.

    Run the benchmark again and let us know what how that goes. Your Physics score should be much better. If it is not, look in the sensor monitor window of HWiNFO64. What was your minimum CPU clock speed? What was the max CPU temperature? Is there a "Yes" in any of the rows for "Thermal Throttling" on any of the cores? Below is a screen shot of my HWiNFO64 sensor window after the above benchmark run.

    HWiNFO64-Sensors.jpg
    (click to enlarge image)
     
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    Inching slowly, but inching surely.

    Cinebench_record_4.jpg

    I finally breached 9 points. That's enough oc'ing for today I guess. I still have to figure out why the CPU is underperforming in 3Dmark11.

    Cinebench_record_6.jpg
     
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    No real benifit moving to an unlocked A05 bios if you're already on an unlocked A03.
    You want to flash those 780m's VBios if you haven't already! Then down load EVGA precision x and crank those sliders to the right some.
    You also need to overclock your XM CPU for your physics to make any noteworthy increase, it's not happening otherwise.
     
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    If I can OC to 5.8 on one core does that count?
     
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    homank76 Alienware/Dell Enthusiast

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    Just ran that cinebench test and just like everything else my systems shuts down. Very nice score as my max has been 7.3 thus far. I know I should be able to break at least the 8's.
     
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    Please run a 3DMark11 instead and post a link to your score. Be sure your Windows power profile is set on "High performance" if it is not already. There's not much point in running the benchmarks without the CPU overclocked. As TBoneSan mentioned, if you have A03 unlocked there is no need to update to A05 unlocked. You certainly can as a matter of preference, but it not going to cause a gigantic performance advantage or anything like that. Considering your CPU is downclocking to 2.0GHz the score is pretty good, but you're going to need to figure out why that is happening.

    What about this?

     
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    well both my gtx 780m is flashed to svl7 unlocked i think because both of their default clocks are 850 on the core 1250 on mem...so i just use evga presion to oc on 1000~1100 on both these 780ms?

    where can i get unlocked a05? currently running a01
     
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    SSD Benchmarks


















    "Normal" SSD Performance (Samsung EVO Rapid Disabled Equivalent) - Corsair Neutron 256GBx2 RAID0 Cached SSD Performance (Samsung EVO Rapid Enabled Equivalent) - Corsair Neutron 256GBx2 RAID0
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    "Normal" SSD Performance (Samsung EVO Rapid Disabled Equivalent) - Corsair Neutron 256GBx2 RAID0 Cached SSD Performance (Samsung EVO Rapid Enabled Equivalent) - Corsair Neutron 256GBx2 RAID0
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    Got a OEM XM.. things are good. Having some fun while I wait for my SLI cable. There's plenty of room for improvement yet. Sure aint no fox or johnksss score but not shabby.


    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7464595

    These cards keep responding to being pushed.. it's a little scary
     
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    That's a very nice single-GPU score, bud. Congrats on the upgrades.

    Yes, it was sort of scary at first. It was like, "Wow, I can actually do that?" LOL
     
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    Wow...what clock speeds a are those 780m running? gpuz please :) also my fellow brothers...i am running on a01 bios now ...can i directly upgrade to a05 unlocked? where can i get it and how to flash please help me join your elite club ...
     
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    Check your PM for information.
     
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    Hey everyone. I got a question. What kind of temps are you getting with you GTX 780 over clocks? Benchmarks and games. I have been running the vbios for a month now, but just got around to loading some games. I am getting 81 on my cards after gaming for about an hour or so. Is this to hot? I am running my core at 850 the mem at 1253, nothing extreme. I see a lot of you pushing way more than me. Just wondering how hot the 780s should be for the new 18. I am sure that the R2 will do much better. I also noticed that the GPU fans are up to 3500 rpm, but the CPU is only at 2400 max. I wonder what's up with that. Thanks guys.
     
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    Fan tables need to be fixed on the 18 and Alienware knows about it... they are working on a fix for it.

    On the M18xR2 I seldom see more than 72°-75°C under very demanding conditions. On the 18 the 780M cards see temps as high as yours stock, higher when overclocked. I have seen them climb into the 85°-90°C range when overclocked because the fans are taking a nap.
     
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    Thanks for the info on that Mr, Fox. I figured it had something to do with the fan table problem. The processor is hot as we'll, it's in the 80 range. Guess I better back those cards down till they get it figured out. I wish I had an R2 . Thanks.
     
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    Let 'er rip, buddy. I won't really hurt anything except for performance. Being in the 80's range is a piece of cake for modern hardware. If it gets too hot it will turn itself off to avoid damage.
     
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    just curious, anyone running 32gb ram at 1866mhz in their R2? just wanna confirm this before grabbing 32gb of 1866, instead of 1600
     
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    I'm currently running 16gb of 1866MHz RAM and am not having any issues. Will upgrade to 32gb once they go on sale again. Don't see why 32gb wouldn't work.
     
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    reason I asked is because I think I saw some people having compatibility issue with 32gb running at 1866mhz. to be honest some say it works, some say doesn't so I'm not sure what to do at the moment.
     
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    Cracked the 15's without too much trouble.

    15032 @ 980/400 standard volts.

    Hopefully I can reach the 16's
     
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    I don't have any of my benchmarks installed yet except this Cpu test. With my 3940XM at stock clocks I would average 16,800.Here's a 4930K at stock clocks which by the way have lower multipliers than the XM.
     

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    Very... Very nice. Things are going to get really interesting.
     
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    Here's my stock settings in XTU. So different than Sandy or Ivy Here's a stock Geekbench 3. I have all my programs installed; just waiting on Premas unlocked bios.





    edit: here's Vantage with stock cpu and gpu; gpu score is not that great but the cpu score is

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4869937
     

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    The m18 can use the 4930k? some one explain this to me... his vantage score lists him using 780m x2 with a 4930k..
     
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    I initially thought it was an unlocked m18, but it's a 570wm
    which uses a desktop CPU. Right ?
     
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    P570wm is a clevo notebook (sager np9570), the one and only with a desktop cpu!!!

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4
     
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    Yes it is, my poorly phrased '?' was meant to question as to whether brother Northstar did infact get one of these beasts.
    I'm assuming he didn't want to deal with A18 drama's in his quest for more power.
     
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    Ahh nice. I'd love to hear some testimonies about it once he's settled in. I might start browsing some of those threads abit more too.
     
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    That is a really good CPU score. Comparison: Result

    He returned his Alienware 18 and purchased an NP9570 (P570WM) that has a 4930K Ivy Bridge CPU, 780M SLI, dual AC adapter and an unlocked BIOS. They need to fix the locked down BIOS (at least remove what stops us from unlocking and flashing modded firmware) and fan tables before more Alienware 18 owners decide to follow in his footsteps.
     
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    Yeah I agree. If I were in the market for a new machine I'd be temped. That particular model is bonkers and makes a very compelling argument.
     
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    Anything less than that one particular Clevo machine is not a temptation. Everything else available for purchase in another brand has a Haswell CPU and is inferior to the Alienware 18 in just about every aspect. I just do not like Alienware being in second place with their latest flagship product, especially with a wide gap between first and second place in the world of high performance laptops. They should not have allowed that to happen, and hopefully they won't settle for second fiddle for too much longer. They already have it beat in some ways, but there is no substitute for performance... it matters above all else, including aesthetics.
     
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    no there have been others and if im not mistaken theres another company that has desktop and server cpus in there notebooks.. Origin pc.
     
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    Origin laptops are just Clevo laptops with an ugly custom lid, LOL. Last time I checked, they did not offer the systems with a desktop CPU, but I don't know why. Last time I checked they were merely overpriced Clevos like Falcon Northwest. I haven't checked in a while, but on the basis that they are branded Clevos like Sager, there probably is no reason to bother checking. If I were going to buy one, the badge on the outside would be mostly irrelevant unless one vendor offered something truly unique that the others did not. I can do my own custom paint or aesthetic tweaks for a lot less money and end up with something totally unique.

    I cannot recommend a Haswell CPU for anything. The only thing that make this particular Clevo interest me so much is that it comes without a Haswell and has the dual AC adapters. Well, to be fair, it actual REQUIRES it to function correctly because of the desktop CPU power demands. Anything else for sale I would deem inferior to the 18 if it shares Haswell architecture because on the basis of build quality and aesthetics the 18 trumps everything else. But, it is crippled by Haswell the same as everything else with Haswell. I have taken my M18xR2 about as far as I can with pushing its performance. I am extremely happy with it. It is a absolutely marvelous product. But, if I want to go beyond this point there is no other path available in the laptop realm other than this one lonesome Clevo model.

    Edit: I just checked their web site. Their top end system appears to be an Origin EON17-SLX ProExtreme Workstation Laptop with a Haswell mobile CPU, so it's a just another dud. And, it's a plastic Clevo with some garish cosmetic changes to the rear corners and touchpad. The EON17-S Gaming Laptop is the Clevo with an extra-ugly aftermarket lid and it has only one GPU in addition to being crippled by Haswell.
     
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    I hope you guys don't think I'm bragging; I'm just so excited to have a Cpu that works like it's supposed to. I don't know what it is about the guys on the Clevo/Sager forum they just don't seem too friendly.Maybe they know I'm a hardcore AW fanboy. I feel like I'm among friends here at AW18. Anyway still no unlocked bios; I gave Prema my bios dump today so I hope he'll come up with something soon. I ran Geekbench 2 and 3 OC to 42x6 in XTU.This chip is wickedly fast.
     

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    It's nice to see a CPU actually perform like that, actually - AW or not. You must be very pleased thus far!
     
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    Yeah I am Stevie :D
     
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    No, we're really happy for you. You have every reason to be excited and I am excited for you. That's totally amazing CPU performance in a laptop. I really wish Alienware sold something like that.
     
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    Who knows, maybe next year they will be using the X79 board and Ivy-E . I wouldn't hold my breath on that though. :)
     
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    What's your highest overclock with 4930k and what about temps? Could you pass a build in XTU cpu stress test for 5 min with no clock drops and 42x6? Also, don't forget to use Fn+1 combo for max fans)

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4
     
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    This is 42x6 950/3000 1 Psu Still no Prema Bios NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930K,Notebook P570WM


    Somehow I accidently deleted my score. Here are the stats :p15332 Graphics Score 17216 Physics Score 13275

    Here's an XTU benchmark at 4.3GHz. Prema is sick so when he feels better I guess I'll get my unlocked bios. I don't have a clue as to any other settings in this XTU with this Cpu. The only thing I've adjusted are the multipliers.
     

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