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    Unleash the full strength of HD 6970M CrossfireX - Hybrid VBIOS to unlock the virtual cores - a new milestone?

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by sniper_sung, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. Johnksss

    Johnksss .

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    your guestimating. :D

    let me put it this way.
    this comes from the people who "actually know" the people who "work with nvida" the people who bench nvida products for nvidia before you even get to see it.

    hope that's a bit more clearer. :)

    whether it uses 100 percent or 98 percent, furmark will rack up the heat and volts. just like prime95 will do for a cpu.
     
  2. mharidas

    mharidas VLSI/FAB Engineer

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    No estimations needed. As am saying from actual experience design ASICs and I know that Furmak is not using all the components at the same time. VRMs burning out as I mentioned before is down to vendors using components not envisioning heavy furmark usage.

    A single logic alone can have a wide range in power draw depending on its activity you don't have to have all of the chip's logic to be in complete use to see high power draw. Today chips have so many modules that their very functionality results in some of it not being used depending on the cycle they are in because thats how the stages are designed.

    An analogy in day to day terms: An IC engine has its spark plugs active in controlled cycles. Its not 'on' all the time, that's not how its meant to be. Its the same way in any Chip, every logic is in there to work when it's role comes up. People assume everything is 'loaded' when they see a 100% on GPUz.

    The 100% value is never for all the logic put together. There are plenty of other components that also contribute to power draw that are not counted.
     
  3. Johnksss

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    [​IMG]
    you win
     
  4. daveh98

    daveh98 P4P King

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    Good call LOL. His explanation was perfect.
     
  5. Johnksss

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    bottom line. furmark stresses the hell out of a gpu. and last time i checked. it damn near used every ounce of processing power with in it's power limits. to generate heat/amps & watts.

    what does all this have to do with this ummmm, new tech? it didn't fool furmark and it sure didn't fool vantage. so even with that detailed technical explanation. it still didn't fool furmark. which is about the only program that will push your gpu over the edge.
    that's all im saying.
    i have a team full of people who can give you an a to z technical explanation on this...that's just not me.. :D
     
  6. Zero989

    Zero989 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Fermi G100 + EVGA OC Scanner + Unlock Power Draw.

    :D :D
     
  7. sniper_sung

    sniper_sung Notebook Evangelist

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    The BIOS was examined? Which?
     
  8. mharidas

    mharidas VLSI/FAB Engineer

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    You missed the point. Granted Furmark is giving you higher power draw than any regular application, but it still isn't close to what the card will draw under a true full load with all its logic fully loaded. Something that will never happen regardless who is claiming this for whatever reasons.

    If you have seen a thermal image of a chip under the supposed "full load" you will notice a large variation in hot spots. Thats a telling sign that not all areas are at work, some are totally shut off with today's aggressive power and clock gating.

    As for VRMs burning out for nvidia, it may have been dramatic and is surely unacceptable for the customer, but it was also not the purpose to use furmark as far as the designers are concerned. IMHO it is preferable for certain stakeholders to say that furmark is a power virus than to declare they didn't go generous on the VRM's design.

    I welcome that team of people who would be interested to discuss this further.
     
  9. daveh98

    daveh98 P4P King

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    Whoa man, I get you and hear your point. I just thought it was cool you said "you win" due to his explanation. I just don't think you guys are on the same page. No one is even arguing with you about furmark being a "stress killer"; rather just that it isn't a true "full load" given the multitude of other logic processes that will either be engaged with that program or not. I could imagine that it stresses certain areas of the GPU to a very high extreme but MAY not be indicative of true GPU stress in other applications, games, etc. It is it's own "beast." I think that is what he is trying to say. Peace dude. It's all good with me!
     
  10. mharidas

    mharidas VLSI/FAB Engineer

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    Yup. that's big story short. :)
     
  11. Johnksss

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    ah, got it!
    we are all good here.
    side note:
    f@h will also stress out a gpu and it's components.
     
  12. Cobra99

    Cobra99 Notebook Consultant

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    I want my hour back. The person who created this hoax should get a kick in the gonads
     
  13. katalin_2003

    katalin_2003 NBR Spectre Super Moderator

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    why is this thread still alive?! :rolleyes:
     
  14. cookinwitdiesel

    cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher

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    And I repeat...lol
     
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