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    Better Internal Bluetooth Modules? (Orochi Problems)

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by kfruit, Dec 29, 2010.

  1. kfruit

    kfruit Notebook Consultant

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    Anyone know any? I got the Orochi for Christmas but the it lags immensely on wireless mode when I game. Did some testing and it was mostly caused by the U1 notepal cooling pad I use. I really like using the cooling pad, so I was wondering if I could just replace the Bluetooth module in my m11x for a better stronger one.
     
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    jeremyshaw Big time Idiot

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    Bluetooth's polling rate is too low. Nothing you can do about it, other than use the Orochi in wired mode, or get a wireless mouse with a small USB transciever;.
     
  3. kfruit

    kfruit Notebook Consultant

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    I don't see how polling rate comes in to play though, after I took the cooling pad away it worked pretty well. It's more like lag "spikes" although they aren't really spikes as they happen to often. A 0.5 to 1 second delay. When I browse its fine, I'm almost certain it has to do with interference from when my computer is on heavy load + having to go through extra metal. If it was the polling rate it would happen all the time wouldn't it?
     
  4. kent1146

    kent1146 Notebook Prophet

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    You are probably correct - the extra metal from the cooling pad probably causes interference to the bluetooth module.

    The solution is to get a different mouse... preferably something like the Logitech G700 that operates off of 2.4Ghz wireless. Out of the three mouse connectivity options (wired, 2.4Ghz wireless, or Bluetooth), Bluetooth is the absolute worst option for mice. Just because it's "newer" doesn't mean it's better.
     
  5. kfruit

    kfruit Notebook Consultant

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    Actually at worse I was thinking of just getting one of those small BT dongles you put into your USB slot. I mean the only problem I have is with these spikes which seems to be caused by blockage, when they aren't there the latency is fine. Personally I think the difference between the 1 thousandths of a second lag you get from 2.4Ghz wireless to the 8 thousandths of a second lag you get from BT is over hyped.
     
  6. kent1146

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    Well, it's up to you.

    But if you get a Bluetooth dongle, then you just defeated the purpose of using Bluetooth to begin with. The only advantage that the Razer Orochi has over other mice is that it doesn't use a USB slot when operating in wireless mode.

    Personally, I wouldn't spend money trying to find work-arounds to get a Bluetooth mouse working. I would just buy a mouse that worked the way I needed it to, right out of the box, no workarounds required.

    But again, it's up to you.
     
  7. kfruit

    kfruit Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah, that's why its my last option. I would love you buy a new mouse, but I got this one for Christmas and the return policies here are pretty bad. If I could afford to buy a new mouse I would but right now getting a $2 BT dongle seems like the most likely solution unless someone else knows a better one?
     
  8. SparhawkJC

    SparhawkJC Notebook Evangelist

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    Might as well run it in wired mode 24/7 then instead of spending money on a dongle that may or may not solve your issues. At least in wired mode you'd be able to take advantage of the Orochi's full 4000 dpi and get rid of your connectivity problems.
     
  9. kfruit

    kfruit Notebook Consultant

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    Well when I browse and do light tasks it's fine in wireless. I do game wired now, but I would really like it if I could do it through wireless. The dongle is only a couple of bucks so it's not that big of a deal. I just wish I could somehow make it so the internal BT module was strong enough/didn't get so much interference.
     
  10. Nomgle

    Nomgle Notebook Geek

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    I also use a Bluetooth Orochi on my R1 M11X for gaming - but mine works just fine.

    You did update the firmware in the mouse didn't you ?

    If not, then grab the download from Razer Support and follow the instructions...
     
  11. kfruit

    kfruit Notebook Consultant

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    Do you use any kind of cooling pad? Mine came with the newest firmware but I'll try installing it again. Hope I didn't get a defective BT module..
     
  12. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    As an owner of the Orochi (using it now) and a prior owner of a Logitech VX Nano (sold it with my netbook as a package deal) I can say that if your having BT issues that the VX Nano is a very solid alternative.

    Infact it performs better than the orochi and felt more ergonomic to me when the orochi is in BT mode.

    That little micro usb receiver the nano uses is awesome and just plugs right into the bottom of the mouse for storage when not in use.

    Amazon.com: Logitech VX Nano Cordless Laser Mouse for Notebooks: Electronics

    I have seen the VX go on sale for like $29.99 before.
     
  13. kent1146

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    Try it without the cooling pad, and see what happens. If that solves the problem, then I would just stop using the cooling pad altogether.

    The M11x really doesn't need a cooling pad. It doesn't get very hot, even under load, because all of the components in the laptop sip power.
     
  14. kfruit

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    So I got a USB dongle and now everything is perfect. However, I would really rather fix the problem since a big part of why I got the Orochi was so I didn't have to use a dongle. I'm thinking of buying a replacement internal BT like this one if I'm not mistaken but was wondering if anyone knew a better one thats compatible with the m11x.

    Thanks
     
  15. kovboi

    kovboi Notebook Consultant

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    Perhaps you mean the micro-sleep issue, where the mouse goes to sleep after 3 seconds of inactivity when in wireless mode? This doesn't really affect my gaming since the mouse is usually in constant motion, but it really bugs some people.

    In any case, I use a BT dongle since I already had one and was too cheap to buy it with the laptop (regretting that a bit, but not much). No problems with reception or lag.

    EDIT: oops, looks like you sorted it out while I was posting. nvm