Bluetooth with Razer Orochi

Anyone using the M11x R2 with an Orochi? I get it to connect but after a few seconds of inactivity the mouse stops working and I cant get it to reconnect unless I reboot.

Also on my bluetooth icon in the task bar the "allow a device to connect" option is greyed out,

 

I been using it since day one. Got it since launch. Work perfectly fine in BT. Only thing I feel is there is some latency issue when in BT mode. So not recommended if playing games. Better to go on wired. Btw using BT will cause more battery too. You mght want to reconsider going back to wire instead.

One thing you may want to check is to make sure you have the latest firmware as that's what I have on mine it doesn't dc

 

I've got one and have considered returning it.

It sucks for wireless gaming because its ultra battery conservative and will go to sleep after 2 seconds of inactivity. The when you move it again there is a delay or jerk while it wakes up. It can get you killed in online gaming. If they update the firmware to make it stay on for longer it would be perfect.

Razers software also kind of sucks. It has to be wired for you to even access the software settings and since it saves the settings to the mouse, it takes a bit of time to apply the settings.

I still like my Logitech VX Nano better even though it takes a usb port and isn't a high dpi gaming mouse.

 

Planning on it, have it in my wishlist at NewEgg for ordering next pay.

I use Logitech MX900 BT mouse on my XPS1730, do you have any experience that could help me with a comparison?

Ok, considering it a lot less now. 2 seconds? Can't it be disabled and use a manual off switch?

My alternative is likely to be a Logitech VX Nano but I'd much prefer to not waste a USB port for the Rx.

-Mike

 

I'm using mine right now. Works well and if you're serious about gaming you can always just use it in USB mode.

 

While wireless, there is nothing you can do about the timing. However, the point is to use it wireless when just browsing/doing common tasks, but to plug it in when gaming as it never sleeps. Kind of annoying to some extent, but you should plug it in for the extra sensitivity while gaming anyway.

 

Yeah you can plug it in, but I just want a bluetooth gaming mouse. I don't really care that wireless is slower than wired as far as latency and 2000 DPI in wireless mode more than enough for me. 4000 is a bit much.

It would be a fine mouse if they would just update the firmware to make it wait like 30 secs before sleeping vs 2. Sadly when I first got it, I was trying to take a picture of the mouse with its lights on in wireless mode with my iPhone and couldn't because the mouse went to sleep so fast.

 

Actually the latency I talking about is not related to dpi. Doesn't matter how much dpi it has if bad latency even with high dpi you still see the cursor responding slower like as if not in real time

 

Just ordered one of them, found a pretty good deal on JR.com (J&R) only $59.99 + free shipping, thought i'd share.

 

I wasn't trying to say latency had anything to do with dpi. I was saying I don't mind the extra latency related to being wireless vs wired and that 2000 DPI was enough for me in terms of sensitivity. This was in response to GiSS comment about the extra dpi you get when being wired vs wireless (2000 vs 4000).

 

In my experience BT mouse have always had issues in gaming. The lag issue depends on what game you are playing though.

 

Well for a compact travel mouse it can't be beat. It's comfortable after long sessions and personally I need that extra USB port a regular mouse would take up for ether my logitech G13 gameboard, or my XBox controller wireless receiver.

So for those reasons, the Orochi for me is the only mouse to use with a M11x, though I do like the Razer Mamba and the Microsoft Sidewinder X8. The only issue with those is they take up a lot of space in a netbook bag and use up a USB port.

Hope that helps

 

I really like the Orochi, and I use it with multiple computers. For some reason with my new M11X it will connect and then drop a minute or two later and then I cant re establish a connection until I reboot. It's an issue with the computer, not with the mouse. I'll have to play around with it more.

If I go to the bluetooth tab in the mouse properties after it gets disconnected it shows the status as disconnected/standby, so for some reason it is dropping the deivce.

 

Technically yes but in terms of mobility orochi beats mamba big time. That's fact!

 

I couldn't bring myself to buy an Orochi, for those two reasons - the sleep/awake lag from power saver mode, and the poor software. The sleep/awake lag is huge. I don't see how a mouse with such glaring problems can get such high praise in reviews everywhere.

I ended up trying a Logitech Anywhere MX (the small mouse), and a Logitech Performance MX (the bigger brother). Ended up sticking with the Performance MX, because it felt more comfortable. The 2.4Ghz wireless works perfectly.

 

Can the powersave option be disabled so it doesn't go to sleep?

 

No, the Orochi's sleep setting cannot be turned off or adjusted in any way.

 

Wow didn't realize there were so many serious hard core gamers that hate the mouse. Been using one sine I got the m11x works great for me. Pull it out on the go for the Blutooth ease of use. Hook up the cord if I want to do some Steam or WOW. The mouse sleep problem has little effect on me since I am moving pretty much all the time in game anyway. Got the Naga Epic fot the Desktop system love them both.

 

I use mine all the time. There is a stutter when youfirst move it if it has been sitting for a few seconds but it doesn't affect general use and web browsing at all and you should probably be using the corded mode for games. My dog recently chewed my cord up, so we'll see if it becomes a problem soon.

 

You know, I've read that some people have NEVER experienced any lag when the Orochi wakes up when wireless. That's hard to believe - I've read the very first firmware that came with the mouse didn't have this problem, too. Maybe they just have better BT modules in their computers.

Anywho, I've always wondered why no one hasn't modified the firmware. I have no idea if I could do it, though if no one else tries I might as well give it a shot (as soon as I fix my own BT issues.)

Hopefully with a strong community like this it's possible, though the mouse has been out for years. Razer better not release an upgraded Orochi that doesn't have this problem..but seeing as they just released a Chrome version of the Orochi, I doubt it

 

There are two areas of "lag" with the Razer Orochi that people refer to:

(1) In Bluetooth Wireless mode, the mouse will go to sleep after about 3 seconds of inactivity. When you move the mouse again, there is a split second of delay for the mouse to wake back up. This is fine when using the Bluetooth mode for browsing / productivity, but can be annoying in games.

(2) Bluetooth mode inherently has a polling rate of 125Hz / 8ms. Some people can detect a slight lag with this relatively low polling rate in games; compare this to top-end gaming mice, which are capable of polling rates up to 1000Hz / 1ms (including the Razer Orochi in wired mode).


Because of these two behaviors in Bluetooth mode, you should think of the Razer Orochi as a portable wired gaming mouse that coincidentally happens to have a Bluetooth wireless non-gaming mode. It isn't really accurate to call it a wireless gaming mouse, since it doesn't have the performance you would expect when it is in Bluetooth wireless mode.

 

kent1146, I've seen your posts, numerous in fact, around the forums stating the same thing you posted above.

Not to bash on you, but 8ms latency is really not an issue for most games. Most usb wireless mice have the exact same 8ms latency. Granted, nothing beats lag free wired mice, but when you want the portability that wireless mice afford, it can be a viable tradeoff.

There's no exact standard or definition for a "wireless gaming mouse."
In fact, a mouse with 1 second latency can be considered a "wireless gaming mouse." Your opinion of a "wireless gaming mouse" is simply your opinion.

From what I've read, you don't even own the Orochi.
Anywho, the sleeping is annoying, but imo is only a minor nuisance.

What's important to me is reliable clicking (especially the middle button), comfort, tracking, and some sort of macro/dpi feature. I think those features make up a "gaming mouse" also, not just latency.

 

I wasn't gonna respond, because kent seemed to have this covered, but guess it's time for me to step in.



I own an orochi, and I love mine. But everything Kent says is true. Him and I went 'round and 'round about this a while ago.





The orochi is a WIRED gaming mouse with an optional secondary wireless mode. Period. Razer's advertising is somewhat deceiving.

Make special note of that last line, saying It uses bluetooth, but it also has a wired mode for gaming.

Actually, 8ms is an issue. And most USB gaming mice have a 1ms/1,000hz polling. I wont go and pull specs on the popular ones, but believe me. I've owned most of them, and the "gaming" mice are 1ms/1,000hz polling.

This is easily notable when playing a fast-pace FPS game. 8ms feels all slippy-sloppy. The closest thing I can think of is that it feels like you have v-sync on. All your movements have a slight delay......and when you're used to lightning-fast 1ms/1,000hz polling this is unbearable. Now, take note....I don't think you're average facebook & WOW gamer are going to notice this.....but ask an serious FPS gamer & you'll get the same answer.

The beauty of the orochi is that you don't have to tradeoff. You get the convenience of wireless & the full speed of a gaming mouse. (Albeit not at the same time. )

It may be his opinion, but it's the POPULAR opinion. The unofficial definition of a gaming mouse is one with a low response time (8ms doesn't cut the mustard) & preferably a high and/or adjustable dpi. Actually, if you want to split hairs....most gamers don't consider a wireless mouse a gaming mouse at all.(with a few exceptions of the newer awesome usb wireless mice) I've been gaming on mice since the ball & roller days. In some ways....I miss those ancient beasts.

He may not own an orochi, but he's a pretty sharp fellow & it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the benefits of 1ms latency. He has plenty of experience in the mousing area like myself & we share the same opinions about gaming mice. (Although, we prefer different brands )


Those features don't make a gaming mouse. They simply make a good mouse. A gaming mouse will have those AND low-latency. When a gamer is looking to buy a mouse, the FIRST thing he's looking for is latency & perhaps DPI. THEN comes the ergo stuff. Me personally, I'd rather have an uncomfortable mouse that's lightning fast than a comfortable slow mouse. When you're doing 180 degree wrist flicks, twitch shots, & playing fast-paced games this stuff is really noticeable.















All that said....the orochi is pretty awesome. It's pretty damn convenient to be able to pull it out, turn the switch on, and go. Nothing to plug up, no USB slots taken. Just flip a switch & you're in business. It's so small and portable....it really is a great PORTABLE mouse. I have many different loadouts from a fully packed backpack(With HDMI cables, usb dvd & blu ray burners, 360 pads, joysticks the whole works) down to my "slimline" loadout which is just the M11x, neoprene sleeve, & my orochi in it's sleeve. There are few mice that are this small & still gaming-grade. When I'm ready to game, I'll hook up my cable, because that 8ms really does matter.


That said, I wouldn't recommend the orochi as a primary mouse for a desktop computer. It's simply too small. You can only use it with a claw grip. Which doesn't bother me because I naturally use a claw grip, but it's something to think about.




*EDIT* I forgot to make this point. Bluetooth gaming mice are a pipe dream as of right now. Maybe in the future when the bluetooth gets respecced to a lower latency.....but as of right now there is no such thing as a bluetooth gaming mouse. Hell, we only just recently (last couple of years) got USB wireless gaming mice.


My only real complaint about the orochi, and this goes for most razer mice as they use the same rubbery finish is that it can lead to perspiration of your palm & fingers during those extended frantic sessions.

 

Arak-Nafein, I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said.

However,

#1 FPS is only one genre out of many games. That is why I bolded "most," because there are many, many games out there where 8ms response time is perfectly fine. I play FPS too, I can notice lag, in fact I prefer wired mode. But sometimes when you're not playing a "fast-paced game" because there are many that aren't, wire-free is nice.

#2 I never said those features make a gaming mouse. I said those features need to be looked at too, not just latency.

#3 All your points are valid. I was just making the case that the Orochi CAN in fact play games in Bluetooth mode, and 8ms is not too big of a deal in, again, MOST games.

This makes it seem like you cannot play games in Bluetooth mode, as if it's too "laggy." I want to make it clear that it it DOES "cut the mustard."

When you're gaming on your couch, do you want a wire? When you're playing a casual game, do you need a wire? When I play a game and performance matters, I switch to wired.

Currently, I will say that the m11x's Bluetooth problems do make the Orochi unplayable in almost ANY game though. But that's only this laptop.

 

That's fair enough. I can agree with that.

 

You read wrong.

Not everyone who buys a Razer product absolutely falls in love with them. Any product you ever buy, from any manufacturer, will have its share of upside and downside. The Razer Orochi is no exception to that rule.

I think you're defending against a point I never made.

Having a gaming mouse, and having a mouse-that-can-be-used-to-play-games are two different categories.

I consider a gaming mouse to have performance and configurability... features like high DPI, high polling rates (low latency), configurable buttons, lots of profiles, etc. The Razer Orochi in wired mode meets this definition.

A mouse-that-can-be-used-to-play-games can be any mouse. You could buy any $20-$30 wireless mouse, and it can be used to play games. It would even have the same performance specs as a Razer Orochi in Bluetooth mode (~2000dpi, 125Hz / 8ms polling rate).

... Which raises the question... if you consider a mouse that has (~2000dpi, 125Hz / 8ms polling rate) to "cut the mustard", then why would you recommend that someone spend $65-$80 on a Razer Orochi? Any $20-$30 mouse, Bluetooth or 2.4Ghz, can pretty much do the same thing and "cut the mustard".

 

You would be hard pressed to find any wireless mouse under $40 that can do anything better than 800 dpi. I've been looking at an Orochi to replace my Logitech M505 for gaming.

 

First of all, apologies since I thought I read that you had shortly returned the Orochi after you bought it, but I see I was wrong.

As hermitmaster said, it's hard to find a monuse at that price range ($20-$30)that's wireless, 2000dpi, comfortable, has on-the-fly dpi switching, macro capability, and "wired mode."

And, I never recommended, EVER, that people go out and buy the Orochi. It is a great mouse, but I'm not in love with it quite yet as the m11x has bluetooth issues, and the whole point of buying the Orochi was using it wirelessly at least part of the time instead of all.

My point was just that the Orochi CAN in fact play most games well, better than MOST wireless mice out there. The wireless function is at least a step or two above the cheaper or standard wireless mice from Logitech and Microsoft.

And to top it all off I spent $39.98 on my Orochi with Amazon Prime and $20 off. The Orochi hovers at around $55 to $65 on Amazon by the way, it's not $65-$80.

I agree with this. There aren't many wirelesss mice that can do 2000dpi to begin with.

However, if you're looking for something cheap, wireless mouse with Microsoft Bluetrack are at least 1000dpi though. Picked up a Mobile Mouse 3500 for 10 bucks at a sale at Best Buy

 

Hi, I'm using microsoft mobile memory 8000 bluetooth mouse. I found it's not accurate. So I wonder if Razer Orochi is free of this problem.
Could anyone use this little software to have a test in bluetooth mode.And post the orochi's result here. My result are not stable. I think maybe this is the reason why is't not accurate.

The software can be found here http://tscherwitschke.de/download/mouserate.zip

Another thing is if I can use the side keys as copy/paste shortcut in bluetooth mode? As I used to with my 8000 mouse.

 

I just checked my Orochi, it varies form 1hz to 1200hz. Look at other issues for accuracy. Yes, you can program all the buttons independently in the driver software.

 

i didnt like mine. so i sold it. this is coming from a guy who likes the Deathadder so much i bought a 2nd one just in case they stopped making it.

the Orochi felt nice in the hand, matched my R1 like no other & was nice an portable size. thats about the end of what i liked.

the sleep time out was a huge con, it annoyed me to no end. as advanced as the mouse is and the software they have for it... this "sleep timeout" should have been something that was adjustable in the settings. anyway...

the real major deal breaker for me was the actually relationship between user input and realword moment on the screen. i could not for the life of me get this mouse to feel right. no matter what DPI and speed setting combos i tried. i just could not get it to track like my Deathadder. not even in wired mode. in game i was missing shots and even with stupid stuff like OS navagation i would ALWAYS over or under shoot what i was trying to click on. being in front of a PC 10-16 hrs a day that can get old fast.... i even had to stop my self from throwing it a few times. after a week i just couldnt take it anymore.

keep in mind, i do IT work at my Job so i use a ton of different mice with different speeds, setting, ect on a daily basis when sit down at some ones desk to fix thier commuter. it normally takes me about 2-3min to get comfortable with any mouse set up.

i was really disappointed with this mouse (and Razer) which sucks cuz i loved a lot of things about it. the form factor, ability to got wired or wireless. the look and feel. i didnt mind dropping $70 on it for all these things. but IMO it just feel short for a Razer product...

 

It's not for everybody I guess. I've had mine for almost a year and I love it. The drivers have matured quite a bit and the sleep delay is much better now.

 

I received this mouse yesterday and am putting it through its paces on my XPS L701x (I know this is an Alienware section but it is the best thread that matches my product).

I have noted a problem with it that sometimes the mouse will go very sluggish after waking up from idle. So bad that I've gone back to using it wired. Only way I found to solve the sluggishness of the mouse (and only for a moment) was to delete the pairing with my computer and redo it again.

Is what I'm experiencing normal? Is there a way to fix it?

A bit disappointed when I see what I paid for this mouse.

 

I've noticed differences in wake time depending on the bluetooth adapter. I've used it with two different Centrino 6230 cards and it's much better with my current one. Now I notice almost no delay when it wakes from idle. Also make sure you have the latest drivers installed.