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    M11x R2 - Post your stable CPU overclocks

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by CubsWin, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. Stain

    Stain Notebook Consultant

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    I have an R2 i5. I am one of the lucky ones. I maxed the OC to 166MHz the same day I put on ThrottleStop. It has never crashed, even during stress testing. That was about a month and a half ago.

    Cheers,
    Stain
     
  2. shhhpaRk

    shhhpaRk Newbie

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    what does throttle sotp do? hen i tried using a program which seems like it would do similar i never saw my frequencies locked
     
  3. Vidaluko

    Vidaluko Notebook Evangelist

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    Does the overclock really helps? I used to have it from 158-162 for weeks, but today I disable it, and I run the same programs, games and stuff the same, or if there is a difference, I can´t see it or feel it....

    Even the 3Dmark score was higher without OC
     
  4. shhhpaRk

    shhhpaRk Newbie

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    i just usually always have it plugged in so i like to run it as fast as possible...i disable the oc when im using battery
     
  5. roxxor

    roxxor Notebook Evangelist

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    Were you using throttlestop? If not, then that's why you experienced no difference/worse performance.
     
  6. Vidaluko

    Vidaluko Notebook Evangelist

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    I don´t use it, I have seen the posts about it, but I dunno, I now gonna try it
     
  7. instantcold

    instantcold Notebook Consultant

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    I was iffy on using throttle stop, but overclocking at 166 (Lucky me!!) with throttle stop makes a big stable difference in performance
     
  8. roxxor

    roxxor Notebook Evangelist

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    You have to use it when OCing, otherwise the CPU will not turboboost. It's a design flaw in the overclockability "feature" of the R2.
     
  9. Vidaluko

    Vidaluko Notebook Evangelist

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    O M G !!

    I got from 5.3 to 6.1 in WEI, now I´m gonna test it in games, is awesome!!!
     
  10. Stain

    Stain Notebook Consultant

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    ThrottleStop is a must for all R2 owners, but as stated above it only gives you gains when you are overclocking. Without ThrottleStop, OCing the CPU does not give you noticeable gains since the CPU is Throttled down when it is under load and the temperatures go up a bit. ThrottleStop prevents this throttling down (thus the name) so you can reach the potential of the CPU and stay well within thermal limits. This is obviously a very basic, noob friendly description. The real details are found in the the ThrottleStop thread here:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m11x/524257-how-supercharge-m11x-core-i5-i7-um-cpus.html

    So, OC that CPU and run ThrottleStop as described in the first post in the linked thread and you will be amazed. That is when you will really notice the difference between the R1 and the R2.

    Cheers,
    Stain
     
  11. shhhpaRk

    shhhpaRk Newbie

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    thanks so much!! solved my issue. do u use this while only stress testing? because in normal operation my turbo boost seems to work normally
     
  12. roxxor

    roxxor Notebook Evangelist

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    TB should work under normal use (ie/nothing cpu intensive like games or AV encoding, etc), without TS, but there's no point in not having it enabled all of the time. TS doesn't force TB when it isn't needed, it only makes sure it isn't throttled when it is.
     
  13. shhhpaRk

    shhhpaRk Newbie

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    i see yea thats what i figured thanks guys!! really made me so much happier i went with the r2.
     
  14. tulron41

    tulron41 Notebook Geek

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    Hey guys. I've attempted 1.66 overclock on my m11x r2. Everything was running fine with TS until i actually stressed the laptop. I played Left 4 dead 2 for about 3 hours, and after entering my final safe zone the Graphics started tearing. I've changed the overclock to 1.60 right now and everything is fine, but i havent stressed it enough to be sure. I guess my question is

    Can overclocking your CPU cause GPU tearing? or are they unrelated and my GPU just overheated on its own??
     
  15. Itsnotlikethat

    Itsnotlikethat Notebook Consultant

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    1.60 sometimes, but it still crashes maybe once a day at that. So 1.58 is best for me.
     
  16. DaneGRClose

    DaneGRClose Notebook Virtuoso

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    The gpu and cpu share the same heatsink and fan so it is possible, I would suggest monitoring temps the next time you stress them on both the cpu and gpu to find out what's going on. The best thing I could recommend is enable logging on throttle stop with the temperature option turned on, also run gpu-z with logging enabled that way you can load the logs up and we can help you figure out what the likely culprit is.
     
  17. Vidaluko

    Vidaluko Notebook Evangelist

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    One question, when TS is working, should the data always say:

    X.XX x 133MHz = XXXX.XMHz

    My question is in the 133MHz part only, since is the only one that never changes...
     
  18. DaneGRClose

    DaneGRClose Notebook Virtuoso

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    The first number is the multiplier( X.XX x 133MHz = XXXX.XMHz) which will change depending on load and how many cores/threads are active. The second number is the FSB(X.XX x 133MHz = XXXX.XMHz) which is what you change in the bios when you overclock, you can change that between 133(stock) and 166 depending on what is stable for your computer, it will only change when you change the settings in your BIOS. The last number is the MHz your cpu is actually running at which you get when you multiply the multiplier by the FSB speed(X.XX x 133MHz = XXXX.XMHz).
     
  19. Stain

    Stain Notebook Consultant

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    Absolutely, great description. So to see gains from ThrottleStop, Vidaluko, you'll really want to OC the CPU and increase that 133MHz.
     
  20. Vidaluko

    Vidaluko Notebook Evangelist

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    Wait, I have 162 in the BIOS, that´s why I have doubts about that 133MHz, let me check it out... :eek:
     
  21. DaneGRClose

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    Run cpu-z to verify the clocks, multiplier, and fsb. Then cross reference it to the readout in ThrottleStop. I've never relied on the info in throttlestop other than the usage of each core, and for changes in TDP/TDC so I don't know if it's acurate on the M11xR2 or not.
     
  22. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    Usually ThrottleStop gets the BCLK right but it doesn't continuously re-calculate the BCLK like CPU-Z does. The actual BCLK is a very steady number so I didn't want ThrottleStop wasting CPU cycles. There is an option in ThrottleStop that if you right click on the GUI and select Update BCLK, it will re-calculate this value if you have made changes with SetFSB that were not detected.

    CPU-Z burns up a lot of CPU cycles but it should show you the correct BCLK.

    Sometimes when overclocking, if you set a BCLK too high in the bios, it will ignore your request and reset that back to the default 133 MHz. That might have happened to you. Use CPU-Z to confirm this.
     
  23. Vidaluko

    Vidaluko Notebook Evangelist

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    Done, I restarted the m11x, then BIOS, diseable overclocking, go into windows, restarted again, BIOS, 162 OC, got into windows and now is not anymore 133MHz

    2 more questions, should I set the multiplier to 9? Or uncheck the box, I see that unchecked it goes from 6 to 12, but checked, goes from 8 to 12

    Also, I see no real change with the option 1, 2, 3 and 4 (performance, game, internet battery) do i need to move that option? Or those are 4 options that I can customize for the use I´m doing at the time?
     
  24. Rypac

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    As of today I am now stable at 166 MHz OC. I have been at 162 since I received my M11x but after seeing that switching the Ram config around helped some gain a higher OC, I decided to give it a try.

    Not that there is much difference between the two, it just makes me think a little more of this beast knowing that when paired with ThrottleStop and the highest BIOS OC, it is at the top of it's game.

    I would definitely recommend switching the Ram to see if it helps reach a higher OC. Be careful though, it's a little fiddly :)
     
  25. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    Vidaluko: For the M11x R2, I don't think you need to use the Set Multiplier feature. TS is a multi-purpose tool so not all laptops will benefit from each feature. You can try some benchmarks to see if having this checked makes any difference. ThrottleStop offers you 4 user configurable profiles so you can easily switch between different setups. One profile is more than enough for me but other users like to use different settings depending on if they are gaming or just using the internet. You can define these profiles however you like or just use the main one.
     
  26. shhhpaRk

    shhhpaRk Newbie

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    thank u so much to whoever help me with TS and the creator/s. Solved my problem exactly and cant be happier. At first i was kind of disappointed about getting the R2 but now i LOVE it
     
  27. ex-28

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    how did you get the panel up there for your graphics ?, , i have the m11x r2 i5

    :)
     
  28. wilamanjaro

    wilamanjaro Newbie

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    GUYS, i am so lost. i have change the overclock value through advanced options in the setup menu but my cpu won't change. i just got cpu-z and my core speed is 1025.5mhz, that seems pretty weak when compared to some i've seen on here, what's wrong with my computer! its m11x core i7. i can't get the cpu to change.
     
  29. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    Run a benchmark like wPrime and fully load your CPU. Most laptops have a power saving feature on at idle called SpeedStep or C1E which reduces the CPU speed and heat it puts out. That's not a bad thing as long as your CPU speeds up when loaded.

    Post a screen shot of CPU-Z so we can see what CPU model you have and what MHz it is running at. It's a lot easier helping someone that post some info. If you try to overclock too high in the bios, this can cause your CPU to ignore this setting so it might be using the default 133 MHz BCLK speed instead of your overclock settings. For maximum performance out of an M11x-R2, put ThrottleStop on the top of your programs to download list. It's free and can make a significant difference to performance when gaming.
     
  30. wilamanjaro

    wilamanjaro Newbie

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    Thanks so much Webb, I got throttle stop, overclocking at 166mhz, CPU-z has core speed at 2859.9 MHz! Haven't tried experimenting too much with the tdp ratio or whatever, I just put it to 30/30. Haven't tried any games yet but I'm sure it will be amazing. I'm not too familiar with benchmarks, what does changing the number of threads do? Also, what are some good tests and things I can do to make sure it's stable or even boost performance further? I have the m11x core i7 640um. Thanks for everything so far, you rock
     
  31. wilamanjaro

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    that looks about right, right?


    [​IMG]
     
  32. wilamanjaro

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    OK, so I had throttlestop running with the settings above, with overclock at 166mhz. I ran the Prime95 "Blend" Torture test for 8 hours overnight. No errors, and the core temps were around 45*C. Am I stable?
     
  33. slickie88

    slickie88 Master of Puppets

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    That's pretty stable. However the 335 wasn't being used during testing, so don't be surprised if you have an issue when gaming due to the combined heat. Chances are you're fine though.

    45C seems awfully low for full load though. Sure about that?
     
  34. wilamanjaro

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    when i woke up i check the temps in throttlestop and everything was 45*. my house is cold though i'm canadian haha. how can i enable the 335 when running the torture test?
     
  35. Docsteel

    Docsteel Vast Alien Conspiracy

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    I'm curious about the RAM being used in a lot of these cases, with reports of 1333 Mhz; the R2 comes with 800 Mhz, were the 1333 Mhz the resulting speed of OC'ing, or were the systems upgraded, or shipping with faster memory FOR OC'ing?
     
  36. nox_uk

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    166 - max. Never had an issue, and have TS running 90% of the time. Gaming is fine too, but have probably only used it for about 20 hrs gaming so far.

    Nox
     
  37. roxxor

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    The R2 comes pre-installed with 1333 memory. At stock CPU speeds, it only operates at 800. The max clock the memory will run at is with a max overclock of the bus to 166Mhz, which brings the memory up to a data rate of 1000.
     
  38. csufy

    csufy Notebook Enthusiast

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    OMG, how can you raise your multiplier so high?
    I use TS aswell but mine cant get higher than 14x..

    What is your TS version and your settings?
     
  39. tassadar898

    tassadar898 Notebook Evangelist

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    one core = 17X two core = 14X
     
  40. csufy

    csufy Notebook Enthusiast

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    Ahh thats the point...

    Btw, I just replaced my R1 SU7300 with an R2 i7...

    The first thing I miss is the total "quietness" if R1...

    My R2 idle temps are between 55-60 and under full load (prime95) it goes up to 100C with no GPU load...
    This is gonna fry very soon this way.
     
  41. tassadar898

    tassadar898 Notebook Evangelist

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    100C?!?! that is not normal are you sure its going up that high? do you have the intake fan covered? is the R2 brand new?
     
  42. ketnehn

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    166mhz all the time, with no problems watsoever.

    M11x R2 i5 4GB RAM
     
  43. roxxor

    roxxor Notebook Evangelist

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    You're running an avg 10-15C too hot in idle, and a good 20C too hot under load. Something is wrong.
     
  44. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    i wonder if the bios version affects the OC capability?
     
  45. csufy

    csufy Notebook Enthusiast

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    Not covered, and has 3 fast fans with a Cooler Master notebook cooler under it.
    It still goes up to 100C and suddenly the system shuts the power off.
    Monday I will call DeLL and ask for a new cooler (and they will send a new motherboard probably)...

    Another interesting thing is that the screws holding the bottom plate are like has been disassembled like 100 times, they are in really bad condition.

    My R1 has been disassembled like 10 times (1 mb, 2 hinge crack, another 8 is my SSD and RAM upgrades...) and its crews are like new ones..

    I dont care about the screws but hey, that overheating is a big issue...
     
  46. tassadar898

    tassadar898 Notebook Evangelist

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    sounds like the heatsink was not properly screwed onto the chips
     
  47. csufy

    csufy Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've checked the screws, but they are in their place screwed properly.
    I think there is no gas in the heat pipe because of a flaw; therefore heat dissipation is not working properly.
     
  48. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    Try reapplying thermal paste, too much is just as bad as not enough.
     
  49. roxxor

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    Lol. Somehow I doubt the heat pipe manufacturing process can accidentally introduce vacuums into them. Chances are it's just been misassembled.
     
  50. csufy

    csufy Notebook Enthusiast

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    Well I think they will just replace the whole mobo and wont tell me what was the problem with the cooling system...
     
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