M11x SU4100 vs SU7300

DOS I merely brought up as an example: I'm already good friends with DOSBox. Actually, I've never used Win7 to any extent, so I haven't had the chance to get a feel for what XP programs work with it. All of them? Only the ones made in the past few years? Random? Basically what I'm asking is, what advantages does the VT of the 7300 have over a 4100 being used by someone with a modicum of resourcefulness? I know next to nothing about how VT actually works.

 

You say, you get it
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6037517&postcount=315

cheers

K.

 

I'm confused about something. Earlier on in the thread it was mentioned that the SU7300 has 1MB of cache. On the Dell website it list the ULV SU7300 as having 3MB of cache. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/us/segments/bsd/vostro-v13?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

Are both these processors one and the same or are they different? And are there any comparisons between the SU7300 and the Celeron 743?

 

Win7 is like Vista, only good.

I rarely had a problem of running anything made for windows on windows. In any case, it seems the XP mode (if you really need it) doesn't support Direct3D, there's some info here. I never had a need for any virtualization and once in a while I'm running linux stuff under Cygwin (if I needed anything more I'd just install Linux... or run whatever I need on a university compuyer running Linux), old games under DOSBox.

All in all my impression is that virtualization has really a very specific usage that I never use. So I ordered SU4100.


Rodknee, SU7300 has 3MB of cache (1MB more than SU4100), that was probably what they meant. See ark.intel.com .

 

Thanks Kitir!

 

I opted for the SU4100 as virtualization is unnecessary and vmware can do the same stuff.

 

Apparently MS has removed the hardware restriction for virtualization. Patch is available for both 32 & 64bit systems.

 

Does that mean you cpu does not have to have Vt built in for virtualization to work, if so where do we get the patch from ?

 

Thank you, unreal25. That's very helpful. You've saved me $100 and/or constant wondering if I made a good decision.

 

You welcome!

How much SSE4 instructions and 1 MB of cache really matter I can't say exactly, but based on few benchmarks that people posted with SU4100, it doesn't seem like much (if any!). I'll be getting mine next week so I'll post my results as well in the benchmark thread.

 

Yep, no more hardware prequisite.

64 BIT

 

looking forward to it unreal. I doubt for benching that 1mb makes much differance, but it'll be interesting. Maybe if we run benchmarks in a virtual system it'll be easier to see the differance.

 

Thanks for the link , but Win 7 Professional and above are still needed for Xp mode, I will have to work on that.

 

What does SSE4 do and what games support it?

 

Once I get mine I'll do a few bench marks as well with the su4100. Should be fun

 

As noted - not the same system - however - FYI - I ran the test, got 1258.1 - SU7300 / OC'd

 

Try out this awesome benchmark! *LINK*

When using it, make sure nothing else is running, it's scoring gets messed up by any other programs being open.

post which cpu, relative speed, and kilo nodes per second.

This should give us all a good idea of the difference.

 

I just bought Win7 ultimate x64 and the patch still says "the upgrade is not applicale to your computer"

the windows update i am using is " Windows6.1-KB977206-x64.msu"

So are you sure hardware Vt is not needed ?????

So why is it not working.

 

The Core 2 Duo has now increased to a £150 upgrade on the U.K. Website as it, and I quote,... "enables breakthrough performance without increased power consumption"...
(Shakes head.)

 

I hate it when companies raise the price without any reason.
I checked the Swedish store and it seems its still the same "for now".

Any how i have already ordered mine and just found out it has been shipped

 

Wow!! That's more than $200! A price of a small SSD...

 

Got a free upgrade to SU7300, can no longer do the 4100 benchmarking ...

 

There you go. I added my scores to the official benchmark thread, ran 3DMark06 and 3D Vantage which didn't record total score, only separately:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=459834&page=33

This is SU4100 oc-ed to 1.7 GHz, 4GB RAM configuration.

 

From KB 977206
Windows Virtual PC and Windows XP Mode are supported only on computers whose processors have the HAV feature enabled. Therefore, if your processor does not support the HAV feature or if this feature is disabled, you cannot start any virtual machines in Windows Virtual PC.

The patch removes the HAV requisite, allowing the SU4100 to be used with VPC

Patch Overview:
Install this update to remove the prerequisites required to run Windows Virtual PC and XP mode. The prerequisites include a processor which supports hardware assisted virtualization (HAV) which is also enabled in the BIOS. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

As for your error, my guess is you don't have XP Mode and VPC installed. MS VPC Not to put to fine a point on it, but are you sure you need this functionality? An Alienware m11x hardly strikes me a the appropriate platform for this but *shrug* people do all kinds of things for their own reasons.

 

Hi DR650SE, what is it that you do to keep the system cool?

spiff

 

Basically sit it in front of an air conditioner running full blast. Max fan/cold settings. Only for benching though. Anything else I use stock clocks for GPU

 

Thanks for the info.

Spiff

 

I think you misread, the SU7300 has one MB cache MORE than the 4100. The rest of the answers to your questions can be read in this thread.

 

Wao you guys are still comparing CPU's

 

No reason to compare anymore unless someone can post some benches in games between the cpu's that show +/- more than 3 fps difference. My 3dmark score SU4100 is close to DR650se's.. 3DMARK06 = 6906. DR650 score still reigns supreme. BW, StevenX

 

Why'd you bump an old, defunct thread for no reason?

Please do not bump an old thread unless you have a good reason to do so. Thanks.

Oh, and of course we're still comparing CPUs. We're computer enthusiasts Otherwise, we wouldn't have Alienware computers.

 

hehe you got me there
Actually i did bump it for a reason as you can see here:
forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=475901

I wanted to add some important links in my thread above but i did not have enough posts. sorry for that but no harm done i hope

ps. Still can put a link grrrrrrrr (just 4 more to go hehe)

 

Anyone knows a work around to enable xp mode virtualization on the SU4100? I needed to run a radiology program which for some reason installs fine on my other home premium x64 but not the one on M11x

 

You can't. And you need Win 7 Pro or Ultimate to get the feature. Otherwise use VirtualBox or VirtualPC but you'll need an XP license.

 

shouldnt this be in the m11x section?

 

It is. :wink:

 

I know this is kinda old, but Dell removed the SU4100 from the m11x options, and lowered the price of the SU7300 to the base SU4100 price

Free "upgrade" lol

My incomming (still "in production") m11x is gonna be (in my opinion) the spiritual successor to my aging Dell M1210. Funny thing - the CPU isn't seeing much of an upgrade, beyond 1MB extra cache and a process shrink

 

The big plus of the SU7300 is that it supports Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) whereas the SU4100 does not.

Compare SU7300, SU4100 and i3-330UM

 

lol, I guess that is good for "XP mode" operation

Thank you!

 

@Jeremy - you will see no difference in gaming at all. I score just as high in gaming benchmarks with my SU4100. As stated above the 7300 has the benefit of VT. Otherwise, they are very close. BW, StevenX

 

- it's a free "upgrade" now, lol

Well, my sister has an Acer Timeline 4810tz with an SU4100, and I think it's plenty enough. Most of our people at our FL office have that same model, before Acer puled it's plug
EDIT: no difference in gaming? Why did Alienware bother offering it in the first place? Was it just to pull money?

EDITz: it seems that questions was anwsered already