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    M11xR2 overheating problem when overclocking?!

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by Megamilchmann, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. Megamilchmann

    Megamilchmann Notebook Guru

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    Hi,

    I use Throttlestop so my I7 runs @14x164Mhz.
    I use the moded Bios for the Nvidia 335m GT (0,95mV).

    I get some problems (still had this BEVOR I installed the moded bios) that when i am gaming, the performance slow down for about 2-10 minutes after some time of gaming. (from apprx. 30fps to 13fps).

    Now i made some tests an here are my results:

    I run 1 special Benchmark from 3dmark06 (no oc: 24fps - oc: 34fps).
    I run 1 special Benchmark from 3dmark06 in a loop, the fps slow down to apprx. 16 fps after (apprx.) 3 times of running.

    I checked the temp and speed with GPU-Z: the break is at 88°C !!
    BUT: nothing seems to slow down! GPU and Memory speed do not change!

    When the GPU reach this temp - he is "slowing down" in game/benchmark ;-(

    I tried nvidia power Mizer to disable "overheat slowdown" - no result!

    has anyone any idea how I can "disable" this slowdown?

    Thanks,
    Michael

    EDIT:
    after some test with the "intel burn test", i know that the CPU is not slowing down at 88°C....
    i just covered the fan for a short time - it still works at 95°C without problems.....
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 23, 2011
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    sfrrsman64 Notebook Consultant

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    hi, i'm sorry i don't have any good advice for you, but i am experiencing problems when i play mw2, my laptop gets to like 85C+ maybe around 100, and then SHUTS OFF. I have the 270.61 drivers, and OC to 150 with throttlestop too.

    i literally get through 3 games before my laptop gets SO hot and shuts off.

    BUT i'm not really experiencing slow downs.
     
    sfrrsman64, Apr 23, 2011
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  3. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    Intel designs their laptops so high GPU temperatures can trigger CPU throttling. If your GPU is running too hot then you need to redo the thermal paste and improve cooling. The modded GPU bios probably isn't helping matters. More voltage equals more heat which will trigger throttling sooner. You can run a ThrottleStop log if you want to find out what's happening to your CPU performance when the GPU temperature gets too high.
     
    unclewebb, Apr 23, 2011
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    Mega, you're experiencing throttling. The GPU gets too hot and it lowers clocks to get it to not overheat. Which of Davy GT's BIOS's are you using? I bet your not using A05, it really helps with fans and temps, or so I've heard.
     
    kevmanw4301, Apr 23, 2011
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  5. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    Your temperatures are abnormally high- IntelBurnTest loads to ~80C with 25C ambient. Try repasting the heatsink.

    He has an R2 so there is only one version for him: A04.
     
    DavyGT, Apr 24, 2011
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    Megamilchmann Notebook Guru

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    Hi Guys,

    thanks for your replies!

    @DavyGT:
    Yes, i use the modded A04 Bios.
    remember: i covert the fan to get this high temps!
    the temps in intel-burn-test get to apprx. 85°C

    @uncleweb:
    I always checked the CPU.. there is no throtteling in Mhz! You always wrote, that the CPU starts throttling at 105°C ?!


    two further questions:

    - Is this realy the so called "overheatprotection"?! Come on - my last GPU went down at 115°C! And i can not see any throtteling in the Mhz ?!

    -is it allowed to change the thermalpaste? I can do it - no problem - but i have more than 2,5 years of warranty and i dont want to lose this!
    so: do you now where i can open a ticket to check this with dell?!

    Thanks!

    Michael
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 24, 2011
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    85C in IntelBurnTest looks fine for an i7. Can you get GPUZ and enable to "log to file" in the Sensors tab and then play a game until it throttles? By logging the GPU, it will record the temperatures, time and clocks so you will know where and when your throttling is occurring.

    I just got off the phone with Dell and replacing the thermal paste on the heatsink is not a "user servicable part" and a technician needs to be sent out. :rolleyes: I don't see a problem if you replace it yourself and don't damage anything- if a tree falls and no one hears it, does it make any sound?
     
    DavyGT, Apr 24, 2011
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  8. Megamilchmann

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    Hi,

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    2011-04-24 04:03:52 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 84.0 , 52 , 24 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:53 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 84.0 , 54 , 24 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:54 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 84.0 , 53 , 23 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:55 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 56 , 27 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:56 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 57 , 27 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:57 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 84.0 , 59 , 29 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:58 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 60 , 29 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:03:59 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 60 , 29 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:00 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 69 , 37 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:01 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 69 , 37 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:02 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 68 , 36 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:03 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 67 , 35 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:04 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 71 , 37 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:05 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 58 , 29 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:06 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 57 , 28 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:07 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 55 , 28 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:08 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 54 , 28 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:09 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 85.0 , 57 , 30 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

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    2011-04-24 04:04:13 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 86.0 , 77 , 41 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

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    2011-04-24 04:04:26 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 81.0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

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    2011-04-24 04:04:47 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 78.0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:48 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 78.0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0.9500 ,

    2011-04-24 04:04:49 , 571.8 , 867.9 , 1383.8 , 78.0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0.9500 ,






    as you can see, the temp is going down after a moment..... without any throtteling in speed !?!?

    can anyone tell me when (°C) the CPU and GPU is going to throttle ?

    For me, it seems like the gpu ist not throtteling in the usual way?!



    replacing thermal paste:
    you are right, but dell might see, that the tree was falling down - becaus its not there anymore ;-) other paste has another look.....
    So I will not do that!


    Antoher Info:

    I still recognized this throtteling when i did NOT oc the gpu....
    only fsb to 164Mhz..... after 2-3 hours of gaming, i get this throtteling.... (and its the temp!!)



    In my opinion, this is not throtteling....... my last Graphikcards throttle down by decrease the Mhz of the core/mem/voltage....



    what is your opinion about this?



    Thanks for helping!

    Michael
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 24, 2011
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  9. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    Something happened here caused the GPU to have 0% usage here. Did you alt tab or was that throttling?
    Your temperatures look fine. Could it be a process using 100% CPU utilization when you are in a game like an anti virus or a system interrupt?

    Can you try a DPC latency check?

    I don't think the GPU is throttling. It has to be something else. Just to be sure it's not the CPU enable "Log file" in Throttlestop and play a game until it throttles and show us the results.
     
    DavyGT, Apr 24, 2011
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    Megamilchmann Notebook Guru

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    Hi,

    the "break" in the log-file is when the 3dmark06-test restarts (in a loop).
    so no woirry - thats fine ;-)

    the CPU-Load ist at aprrx. 45% only while running this test and there is no differens on WHEN i do the test (60°C - high fps - 45%cpu and 88°C - low fps and 45% cpu).

    I will do the tests tonight and post the CPU-log too!

    I hope that we can find a "Solution".

    What about all the other users?

    Can someone of you test this?

    -Use trhottlestop
    - start GPU-Z
    - make ONE 3dmark test in loop
    - check wether the fps change at the same time of test



    Greetz,
    Michael


    EDIT:
    just make the DPC check in windows - i dont do anything and every 3-10 sek i have one over 8000ys
    what does this mean for me?
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 24, 2011
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  11. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    It's true that Intel designs the CPU to start throttling when it hits 105°C. What Dell does though is it can throttle the CPU based on a high GPU temperature. I know that doesn't sound very logical but I think Dell does this because killing CPU performance is an easy way to reduce overall system temperatures.

    When looking in a ThrottleStop log file, it's not just MHz that you need to look at. Post a ThrottleStop log file during one of these throttling episodes so I can have a look. Use these html tags in your post:

    [code*]
    Paste log file here.
    [/code*]

    Remove the * in both of those tags. This will take up less room in this thread and make the mods happy. You can also upload big log files to www.mediafire.com or www.sendspace.com and then just post a link here.
     
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    Hi,

    here is the log-files from ThrottleStop:

    (in my opinion, throtteling starts at 19:11:00)

    Code: 
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04/24/11 19:12:54  14.09   25.2  100.0   50.0  -50890   92    93
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04/24/11 19:12:56  14.52   28.0  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:56  14.73   28.3  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
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04/24/11 19:12:56  14.61   26.6  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:56  14.82   26.8  100.0   50.0  -50890   92    93
04/24/11 19:12:56  14.18   27.0  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.68   27.7  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.44   32.8  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.06   39.6  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.29   35.9  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.52   27.3  100.0   50.0  -50890   94    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.50   26.9  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.37   27.2  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:57  14.23   28.6  100.0   50.0  -50890   92    93
04/24/11 19:12:58  14.61   27.6  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
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04/24/11 19:12:58  14.71   27.0  100.0   50.0  -50890   92    93
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04/24/11 19:12:58  14.74   27.4  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.00   27.6  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.35   28.5  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.52   30.3  100.0   50.0  -50890   92    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.68   26.7  100.0   50.0  -50890   94    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.73   27.6  100.0   50.0  -50890   94    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.65   27.0  100.0   50.0  -50890   94    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.67   29.3  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93
04/24/11 19:12:59  14.43   27.9  100.0   50.0  -50890   92    93
04/24/11 19:13:00  14.52   27.1  100.0   50.0  -50890   93    93


    hope you can give me some hints ;-)
    do you see anything in the logs?

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (btw: throttlestop -> best tool ever!!!!!!)



    Michael
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 24, 2011
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    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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      DATE     TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  CHIPM  PWR_mW  TEMP   GPU
04/24/11 19:09:44  14.81   42.7  100.0  100.0  -52269   91    89
04/24/11 19:09:44  14.88   40.0  100.0  100.0  -52269   91    89
04/24/11 19:09:44  14.80   40.5  100.0  100.0  -52269   91    89
04/24/11 19:09:44  15.00   38.0  100.0   50.0  -52269   90    89
04/24/11 19:09:44  14.34   28.4  100.0   50.0  -52269   89    89
04/24/11 19:09:45  14.54   30.4  100.0   50.0  -52269   90    89
    Do you see the CHIPM column that changes from 100.0 to 50.0? That column is reporting Chipset Clock Modulation throttling. It should always be at 100.0. The moment that changes to 50.0, your CPU has started throttling and is running at approximately 50.0% of its rated speed internally. That instantly kills CPU performance and your gaming experience will turn into a slide show.

    Both your CPU and GPU are running too hot. When the heatsink is cleaned up and installed with some fresh thermal paste on the CPU and GPU, you should be able to improve your temperatures so your hot GPU doesn't trigger throttling.

    The other thing I noticed is that you are running on battery power. I'm not sure about the M11x-R2 but many gaming laptops don't perform at their peak unless they are plugged in. Drawing almost 60W out of a battery isn't the best way to give it a long life. :)

    You're most welcome for ThrottleStop. It's a great multi purpose tool and should be on the short list of necessary tools for any M11x-R2 owner.

    ThrottleStop gets its battery power consumption numbers from Windows. I knew Windows was a little delayed when updating this data but in your example it looks significantly delayed. I'll have to do some testing to see how much time in seconds is a typical amount of delay.
     
    unclewebb, Apr 24, 2011
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    Hi......
    thanks for your explanation!
    just didnt thought that CPU might be the reason.

    You are right - I was "just" on batterie - but it is the same with AC ;-)


    Well i just replaced the thermal paste - what a f***cking big difference!

    Inte Burn test : 77°C after 40 minutes.....


    I will check out the benchmarks and give a feedback!

    Greetz,
    Michael

    FEEDBACK:
    I just make some benchmarks and i get 8544 Points in 3dmark06 - that's realy cool!
    Config:
    FSB @ 164Mhz
    GPU@ 0,95V and 565MHZ core and 865Mhz memory
    max temps: CPU 81°C - GPU: 77°C

    I will make a last "burn" test with a loop of one test and give a last feedback.

    @ Unclewebb:
    what about "BD Prochot" ?! Could it be possible, that Dell use this feature? I disabled it and make some tests... What do you think?
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 24, 2011
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    The BD Prochot feature was originally for some Asus laptops that used this method of throttling. I don't believe it is used in the M11x-R2. Instead it is high GPU temperatures that trigger Chipset Clock Modulation throttling of the CPU.

    If you are getting 8544 points in 3DMark06 then there probably isn't any throttling going on anymore. You can always run another log file while running a benchmark to prove it. Your previous log file made it very obvious once you know what to look for.

    These laptops run great, especially when overclocked and using ThrottleStop, as long as they are being properly cooled.
     
    unclewebb, Apr 24, 2011
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    a last answer:

    i changed the thermal "paste" to "liquid-metal"-thermal-"paste".

    Intel burn test @170Mhz FSB and ThrottleStop after 20 minutes:
    74°C

    That is about 20°C less then bevor!

    Very nice.....
     
    Megamilchmann, Apr 29, 2011
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