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    R2 335m nvidia bios flashing to increase voltage

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by tassadar898, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    Hey guys, sorry for the double post but I found and confirmed the M11x R03 BIOS. I'll work on the BIOS mod right away. Any testers?
     
  2. DrGoodvibes

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    :)
    Yes, that's true. You use the advance option and uncheck the BIOS update if newer option within the Winphlash application.

    But I found the Dell A05 BIOS just has a "Start" option and then the process is automated, without any ability to interact with the Winphlash settings.

    You'd need to extract the Dell A05 BIOS content out of the existing auto-config binary before you can interact with it.

    It doesn't seem to extract the Dell A05 BIOS content to a folder for you to be able to do this. (Uses WINDOWS\Temp for working files)

    One needs to find an extracted Dell A05 BIOS to be able to interact with it.

    Any way to extract the contents from the Dell supplied A05 BIOS executable??

    All this is academic if the Dell A05 BIOS is configured to overwrite an existing A05 BIOS of the same version anyway. Just something to consider.

    I've not tried to regress as I'm fine. :D

    I'm now VERY happy with my M11xR1 modified A05 BIOS, with my fan quietly mincing away in the background and not trying to re-enact Ice Age with climatic speed on my CPU/GPU.

    Will update my 'standard' 3DMark06 run for this A05 modified BIOS version.
    The run itself on my 'standard' setting appears to be giving better FPS than I've seen on any previous version. Will see. FutrueMark server is down at the moment... Doh!!!

    No artefacts or tearing in the 3Dmark06 run at 580/1415/880.

    All good.

    Edit - What? You have an M11xR3 A01 BIOS and you're modifying it?

    Who it the target for this mod? Not a lot of M11xR3 owners about at the moment. :D

    ▼▼▼ Top marks ajslay. Thanks for your support along with davyGT.
     
  3. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    DavyGT Overclocker

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    Oops. I meant an M11x R3 A01 BIOS. I already hit a snag on the mod- I need default voltages. EDIT: It's not looking good for 540M so far. Nibitor says it can support up to 1v 3D, from default .98v.

    Good work on the recovery guide.
     
  5. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    thanks, this way we have more testers. things can get done a little quicker maybe. and if something goes wrong theres an easy fix =P
     
  6. kevmanw4301

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    Ouch, small increase. I hope theres a way around. I'm illiterate in coding, hardware only.
     
  7. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    I doubt it if it's true. I gave a copy to Mavke so he can have a look at it. The BIOS has very limited control of the voltage regulator. It can only control it to a certain value, hence why the 335 BIOSes go to .95v and not to infinity.
     
  8. kevmanw4301

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    True. From my understanding, there is the possibiliy of a hardmod of the 335M to get higher voltages? If true, would that also be possible with the 540M?
     
  9. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    Yes, it is possible to voltmod both GT335M and GT540M. Consider a copper shim mod for the 540 though, as it looks to be very hot- it loads at 87C according to HH. Wonder if it's castrated FurMark running...
     
  10. kevmanw4301

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    Thats hot stock. Gotta take a look at the internals. I did a copper mod on my M9750, so I think I could. Probobly is.
     
  11. kill4l

    kill4l Notebook Consultant

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    hello. can you change the clock speed for R1 version
    cuz with stock clock maximum u reach is 585 using Afterburner
    i'm sure if the clock set to 520 as default clock it will allow higher overclock
    thanks in advance :)
     
  12. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    You can use a different tool other then Afterburner to set higher clocks such as evga Precision or nVidia Inspector- nV Inspector goes to infinity. Setting 520 as stock clock won't remove the 585mhz limit in Afterburner- it is up to the developer to make it so.
     
  13. kill4l

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    i have other laptop with 470m. when i changed the default clock in the bios . it helped me to overclock more :)
     
  14. some guy

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    something else may have happened when you did that to help you get a better OC.

    the only things that can help you get a better OC is higher voltage, cooler temps(in some cases) or loser memory timings.

    a chip will only hit what it can on a given voltage. changing default clock alone wont have any affect on that.
     
  15. DrGoodvibes

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    It does sound improbably, but these are the result I have when only the BIOS voltage has changed.

    You'll find even by just 'using' the GPU it'll raise the voltage to 0.95V. Which is fine.

    Original A05 BIOS 3Dmark06 - 6857 3DMarks using 580/1415/880
    Modified A04 BIOS 3Dmark06 - 6879 3DMarks using 580/1415/880
    Modified A05 BIOS 3Dmark06 - 6896 3DMarks using 580/1415/880

    3Dmark does have a bit of a plus or minus factor on a given day, but still, it all seems up when volt modified.

    It's made me all warm and fuzzy inside... or is that the wine. :p
     
  16. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    so at the same overclock, with the A05 bios you get a higher score? the bios must increase performance somehow.
     
  17. spadesluck

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    I do not know if it is just my machine but with TS and Afterburner I have hit a 8300 3Dmark06 score without and other bios. The only real difference is I used a 900 memory clock compared to your 880. Guess all machinces are not created equal. This is on an R2.
     
  18. DrGoodvibes

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    Yer, kind of weird.

    I just use those clocks on my M11xR1 GPU as I know in any version/situation those clocks will work. Standard clocks for standard results. Then one knows if, outside of extreme clocking, the system has improved, or not.

    I can go up to 560/1425/910, but that's on the cusp of the abyss for my groovy little GT 355M.

    No problem with the M11xR1 A05 BIOS GPU voltage modification, and on most day to day tasks it's not even noticeable(always a good sign of good development), with GPU temperatures hovering around the low 50C mark.
     
  19. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    I wouldn't worry about the increased 3DMark scores, they're only showing a .05% increase, well within the 1-2% margin of error. Try the 1.73Ghz pinmod if you want to breakthrough 7000.
     
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    YEEEEAH BUDDY! ;)
     
  21. DrGoodvibes

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    Pheewfff!!! 1.73Ghz. If I stripped the M11xR1(SLG) down I'll be doing some exceptional "Mr Blobby" style soldering to get 2.0Ghz.

    Found some cute 'dinky' 0.5Watt 10K Ohm resisters in a lovely blue. I think this'll offset and bring out the vibrancy of the green background of the circuit board, with the added luster of little nuggets of silver solder everywhere. :rolleyes:

    Have no warranty and living dangerously. :D

    30 years of computing scream at me, "Don't be a fool!!!". ;)
     
  22. GaresTaylan

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    Is this the same thing that SetPLL is doing or is the completely different? I just recently did the 335m voltage flash, throttlestop and the setpll mod.
     
  23. DavyGT

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    No, it's not overclocking as SetPLL is doing but setting the RAM timings higher so the RAM is not a barrier. This supports a further overclock by SetPLL if you are limited by RAM speed.
     
  24. MasivB

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    damnn, it wont let me rep you.. says i need to give someone else rep before you... i guess i rep'd you for the setpll as well... <3 davygt :D
     
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    I have successfully updated my BIOS. Voltage now reads 0.95v. Thanks so much +rep to you guys.
     
  26. GaresTaylan

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    You dont happen to know of a good guide to instruct how to do this, do you?

    I was looking through the link I quoted above - and theres a lot of information but no real step-by-step guides.

    *EDIT*

    Hmm, looks like according to Thaiphoon my memory has write protection anyway so no use in trying.
     
  27. kfruit

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    So does anyone know how much more battery life this is take when gaming? I game on battery a lot. I guess how much extra Watts would be what I'm asking..
     
  28. whitrzac

    whitrzac The orange end is cold...

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    1 minute and 12.123123243454564835934508945693406sec exactly :p
     
  29. DavyGT

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    Thanks guys.

    The problem is that the person who volunteered to write the guide has disappeared so I guess that means I have to step up.

    That aspect is untested unfortunately as nobody measured the power consumption with a kill-a-watt or did any 3D battery rundown tests.
     
  30. ajslay

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    im thinking about making a youtube video on how to flash the hacked bios and the before and after tests.
     
  31. MasivB

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    Don't you just run the '.exe' that DavyGT made?
     
  32. GaresTaylan

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    So I am thinking about buying some aftermarket RAM that isnt protected for this mod.

    Would I benefit from purchasing anything higher than 1066 such as 1333? I know its all going to make its way down to 800MHz - but just curious?
     
  33. DavyGT

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    I did some battery testing with and without the modded BIOS.
    This is the configuration I used in both tests:
    AlienFX: OFF
    Wireless: OFF
    Brightness: Minimum
    Throttlestop Tubo Power Limit: Default
    USB Devices: Razer Lachesis
    GPU clock: Stock
    BCLK: 175mhz
    Power Plan: Power saving

    I used Unigine Heaven to loop and simulate a game load as the modded BIOS enables higher voltage only in 3D.

    Here are the results:
    With the modded BIOS: 92 minutes
    With the stock BIOS: 97 minutes

    The modded BIOS doesn't change battery life by alot.

    Yeah, sure, go ahead. What are you testing for before and after?

    It depends on the quality of the memory not the rated speed as timings scale up for higher speeds, meaning it's possible to sell 1333mhz RAM as 1066mhz RAM with lower timings flashed and vice versa. This is shown by the R1 and R2 overclocking efforts: Both M11x'es can overclock memory to 1000-1100mhz at CL6 despite the difference in rated RAM speed (1333mhz for R2 and 1066mhz for R1).
     
  34. kfruit

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    Thanks so much for the testing DavyGT (+rep)! That's only around a 5% hit to battery life. I'm just wondering though did you overclock the GPU when you did the test? I mean no use using the modded BIOS if you arn't going to overclock anything. Then again, it could be just so that you don't have to switch BIOS every time you want to overclock it plugged in.
     
  35. DavyGT

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    I removed the overclock as I configured my system to run for as long as possible while gaming on battery. I'm not the best test subject however as my GPU doesn't pass 600mhz like most other users of the BIOS mod.
     
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    gud day all,

    i am excited to try this but i cant cope up with all the pages. first i wanna confirm if this modded bios works with the m11x R1?

    second i have a OT question, If you have a dead gt335m GPU, will still my m11x R1 works? meaning can i still use it? if i can still use it, so i dont have a burned or dead gt 335m gpu? i am desperate, i am having worst framerates in my starcraft2 and it only gives me below 12 framerates

    thanks
     
  37. ajslay

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    like a before and after, for the highest overclocks i can get before the vmod, and the highest after. and gaming performance. not sure which games to test yet.
     
  38. DavyGT

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    The modded BIOS works with the R1.

    About the second question, can you log the temperatures and clocks of the GPU using GPUZ's log to file option during a game and post it here?

    Oh I see. Start with 3DMark and Heaven?
     
  39. ajslay

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    thats a good idea.
    i just wish i could get past 600mhz on the core clock. thats the absolute maximum im stable at. but the shader is 1500mhz+
     
  40. kevmanw4301

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    Got your 3DMark over 8k? Niice. And, that would be very useful, to see performance gains.
     
  41. whitrzac

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    well, 8056 without post processing. and 7790 with it on.

    in game, i turn off post processing anyway. once i get the right soldering iron im going to do the 2ghz mod, and il get 8k without disabling post processing :D
     
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    Thanks for the info. I was going to do the mod, but just cant figure it out. No concrete information I can find on using Thaiphoon - which sucks bc I have a 80GB HDD standing by with x86 Win XP.
     
  44. hadou

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    Thanks for this MOD Davy, man u are good on this thing!

    Now I can get a great score on benchmark :). Waiting to test this little monster m11x with The Witcher 2 and TERA Online.
     
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    You always have Overclocking covered ;) , but what happens if the BIOS would fail? I can do a BIOS restore right?
     
  46. DavyGT

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    There is a guide to recover the BIOS made by ajslay. Install the BIOS, let's see you get 1Ghz+.
     
  47. HTWingNut

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    I didn't do the volt mod yet.

    So far with O/C CPU and non-volt modded GPU 0.9v, I'm getting 3DMark06 about 7200. GPU 560 / Mem 850 / Shader 1380. Seems my RAM is the weak point here.

    I doubt the volt mod will help with OC'ing RAM any right?
     
  48. DavyGT

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    It won't help you with the RAM, no. 7200 seems low for a 8.4% CPU speed increase. Can you optimize your system? ajslay got 7800 using this mod with a GPU mod and overclock, a linear ~8% increase.
     
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    I didn't do the GPU mod, yet, and not sure if I want to because of extra battery drain. Not sure how much more I can optimize my system either, it's clean as it is, fresh install (not AW's recovery, my own install), nothing else installed.

    ajslay's overclock is significantly more though: 605/926/1510 vs. mine 560/850/1380
     
  50. some guy

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    The bios mod barely affects battery life at best. the bios mod will help you get a higher OC.
     
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