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    R3 screen better than R1/R2?

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by DeeVu, Aug 5, 2011.

  1. DeeVu

    DeeVu That Compsci/Psych Major

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    Just wondering because I am receiving my replacement R3 shortly and I noticed that it says that the R3 has:

    11.6in High Def (720p/1366x768) with WLED backlight

    while the R1/R2 I've had in the past say:

    11.6-inch WideHD 1366x768 (720p) WLED

    ???

    WideHD vs High Def?
     
  2. PsiTheCoffeeMonkey

    PsiTheCoffeeMonkey Notebook Enthusiast

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    I don't know anything about the r1 and r2 screens as I have never seen them before but the screen I have recieved is beast. I am extremely surprised and pleased with it. Games like just cause 2 run beautifully on the screen and much better than some items I have had in the past.
    Just giving some feedback, not sure if it is helpful at all :S
     
  3. DeeVu

    DeeVu That Compsci/Psych Major

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    Thanks it was just a point of curiosity. I have my r2 and Dell ordered my r3 so It caught my eye. Good to hear that things look good.
     
  4. DivineAura

    DivineAura Notebook Evangelist

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    lmao isn't WideHD same as Hi-Def? R1/R2 already has a widescreen o_O
     
  5. BuToNz

    BuToNz Notebook Geek

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    My bets would be they are the same LCD's.
     
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    MassiveOverkill Notebook Consultant

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    BuToNz Notebook Geek

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    :EDIT: Misinformed :p
     
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    kent1146 Notebook Prophet

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    They are the same screens. Alienware is using the same parts for the LCD panel in the M11x R1, R2, and R3.

    Alienware actually uses two or three manufacturers to supply the LCD. The companies are AUO and LG (and maybe Samsung? I don't absolutely remember if there are 2 or 3 suppliers).

    People who have had screen replacements have commented that they notice a difference in image quality from one screen to another... sometimes better, sometimes worse. There isn't really a rule for this, though... it seems random. So we cannot absolutely say that AUO out-performs LG, or LG outperforms Samsung... this variability happens even when you swap panels from the same manufacturer.

    If you do get an M11x R3 screen that looks better / worse than an M11x R1 or R2, then it is because of this variability in screen quality. It has nothing to do with the actual model number of M11x R1/R2/R3 that you buy.
     
  9. slickie88

    slickie88 Master of Puppets

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    AUO and Samsung are the two panels that they've used for the R1/R2. There never was an LG.

    However, the R3 does have a new panel - the CMO1111. Although we haven't had much in the way of direct comparisons to the other two panels, I suspect it's roughly equivalent in quality with the same variation from one to the next.
     
  10. DeeVu

    DeeVu That Compsci/Psych Major

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    I figured it was different even if slightly. Thanks for all the feedback especially for that comparison thread. Looking forward to my delivery :)

    Edit: oh wow I'm a dummy I posted in that thread about a week ago. I completely forgot hahaha. Thanks for reminding me of the awesomeness.
     
  11. potentiality

    potentiality Notebook Consultant

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    I kept saying I would upload and I finally have.

    Here.

    Samsung r2 (purple led) versus the CMO1111 r3 (blue led)

    [​IMG]
     
  12. slickie88

    slickie88 Master of Puppets

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    Those photos aren't really helpful in evaluating display characteristics/quality. Each is doing a poor job with different colors - Samsung is rendering blacklevel, reds/magentas and blues better, whereas the Chimei is doing better with greens. Grayscale on each is off as seen in the grays. It's also quite possible that there's color-shift being introduced by the camera. Exposure was set too high in this photo too as evidenced by the blownout whites in the stepped grayscale strip. The dark background is the reason for that. Many consumer cameras also have problems with certain colors. Photographing displays is difficult for many different reasons and is really only done well when you have good camera sensor, a properly exposed image, and eliminate as many of the variables that can skew things as you can. Having both displays calibrated to a fixed standard is also crucial.

    Have you tried using the calibrated ICC profile for the Chimei that was posted here a couple of days ago? To date, no one has created a profile for a Samsung for the any of the 4 cards that the M11x uses for output - R1's IGP and 335 and the IGPs in R2 and R3.
     
  13. potentiality

    potentiality Notebook Consultant

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    They were calibrated by eye. I no longer have that r2 as I sent it back. Can you link me to that profile for the Chimei?

    I can tell you this.

    The Chimei has less contrast, but is very neutral.
    The Samsung has more contrast, but is very blue.
     
  14. slickie88

    slickie88 Master of Puppets

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    Yeah, neutral grays are likely being skewed by your camera to some extent. Your eyes are seeing things as they really are. Oddly enough the Samsung has been widely reported as being warm (red shift) out-of-the-box, whereas the AUO panels are cool (blue shift).

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m11x/464852-m11x-screenid-11.html#post7780901

    Keep in mind that while hardware calibrations are infinitely better than software/eyeball calibration, they're really only accurate to the specific display that was calibrated. That's not to say that using someone else's hardware generated ICC profile won't get you much closer to accurate colors and neutral grays. It's just that these cheap panels have a wide range in maximum luminance levels, and other characteristics, from one to the next and it's possible that it won't improve things to the extent that it did for the display it was generated from.
     
  15. DeeVu

    DeeVu That Compsci/Psych Major

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    This dilemma is when you get a beautiful 1080p monitor for your workstatiOn so as to not worry about Icc calibrations. :) that's what I've done for my past two 11xs.