Roccat Pyra or Razer Orochi?

I need a decent gaming mouse for my M11x. I tired the Orochi and I loved it at the start but then I realized I had no place to put my pinky. I normally like to put my pinky and my ring finger on the side of the mouse but the Orochi did not seem to have enough room to do that due to the awkward little wings at the bottom. So the question is should I get used to dragging my pinky on my gaming mat (or change grips), or should I give the Roccat Pyra a shot? The Pyra looks as if I could fit both fingers on the side and on top of that it has better wireless specs. The downside is I am in the US and the only place I can find on is the UK.

Any other comment on the matter would also be of great help!

Thank you!

 

I'm considering the Orochi as well since it has received so many strong reviews and the features are really appealing to me (bluetooth with wired option, on-board memory for macros, on-the-fly dpi adjustment, compact size for travel, etc.), but I would get the MAd Catz R.A.T. 9 in a heartbeat if it was available - Cyborg R.A.T 9 Gaming Mouse - Besides looking like a FPS game itself , it has some insane customizations and adjustments. I thought it had a pinky side rest, but it looks like only the thumb gets one (which is perfect for me, but not what you are looking for). The release date hasn't been announced, but the wired version, R.A.T. 7, is available now and I'm seriously considering just going for that, if not the Orochi. With my luck though, the '9' will be available right after I buy the '7', LOL . So I might wait til the end of the week- a rumor suggested the 9's availability would be known in August, so maybe any day....

Anyway, I've ready nothing but good stuff about the Orochi- lower dpi with bluetooth compared to using the cable and some slight fickleness when it comes to surface (didn't like a wooden desk surface for one reviewer) are the only major "cons" I've read.

Good luck with your decision. I'll post any initial thoughts on whatever I end up getting, it would be cool if you could do the same

 

Logitech G700. No competition!

 

I do not like such ergonomic mice, not sure why.

 

Have been using the Orochi for a couple of weeks and have little but good to say about it. Portable and light and having bluetooth connectivity and no dongle is a bonus and with USB at a premium at times means no worries for 'lost dongle'.
Downsides have been occasional failure of the Configurator to recognise it via USB (and you can only update profiles with it connected via USB). It does enter sleep mode after a couple of seconds in bluetooth mode and there is a small lag when it wakes and reconnects - but this hasn't really been too much of an issue for me as usually only happens when I am using office ect.
The 4000 DPI wired (2000 wireless) is precise enough for most folks I guess.
Good luck with your decision.

 

Have been using the Orochi since I got my M11xR2 in the end of July. Had no problems but like MRJM mentioned above me, the mouse does go into sleep mode and then has slight lag. Does not affect my gaming or casual use of the laptop. Batteries provided with the mouse are still functioning, though are low. No problems with ergonomics of the mouse. It comes down to you, I'd say its a buy!

 

I bought the orochi a few days ago, currently being delivered. I read countless reviews - the biggest complaint is the sleep mode. However, I came across a thread on some random gamers forum, wherein an owner said that the firmware the mouse came with didn't go to sleep - apparently razer added the feature in an update after many earlier complaints over battery life.

If that happens to be the case with my mouse, I won't be updating the firmware (unless it happens to fix some other critical issue).

 

if you like playing game with your mouse, you shouldn't buy a cordless mouse, except Razer MAMBA, it's one of the best cordless mice on the world.

 

Do you guys know any stores that would sell the logitech g700? My local Fry's sells the Orochi, but my m11x doesn't have bluetooth and I kind of really want the g700... lol

I was into the Orochi until I heard the g700 came out, now I'm all up for that! Seems better in just about every aspect!

 

I have the Mamba. While I love the feel and performance, the battery life and quality is spotty if not horrid. The battery degrades so fast I pretty much leave it corded.

I've had a much better experience with the Orochi. The sleep mode being the only thing, but it doesn't bother me.

I'll admit, the Mamba feels so good I'd still recommend it. But not without a product replacement plan from BB or the like. I bought one and keep meaning to get in there and swap it out.

It's been widely reported that the QC on the Mamba is spotty. With some working well, others, like mine - not so much.

I don't know anything about the Pyra though.

Edit: I just read up on the Pyra. By the time you pay any import tax or whatever, it's probably going to be the same price as an Orochi if not more. And the Pyra seems to have the same sleep issues (the only complaint of the Orochi) while not having as many buttons, no USB option (maybe?), and while it is a sexy mouse, it doesn't have the sweet blue LED trim of the Orochi.

So for all those reasons, I'd go for the Orochi

 

I am not a hardcore PC gamer... I play the occasional DOD:S, but for the most part I am an RTS guy. And I mainly play those with friends or alone. I just want a mouse for the go, that also has good gaming capabilities. The Mamba does look very nice, but it is not really wireless (in the sense that it needs the charging dock plugged in) which would defeat the purpose of a mouse on the go for me. Lugging around a fairly large charging dock along with a fairly large mouse is not ideal in my situation.

 

YEP, I'm a Warcraft 3 hardcore gamer ... if you play game for fun, one mouse for the go, Orochi is the best choice

 

Do you know what big name stores carry the Orochi? I checked my somewhat local Micro Center and they are fresh out. Any other places you know that carry the mouse regularly? Seems like Best Buy, and other stores just carry the Mamba and Naga...

 

Razer | For Gamers. By Gamers.? | Gaming Hardware | Buy Online
you can order there.

 

I am a person that hates waiting and would rather pick it up in store (in case I would like to return it's easier). Does any store carry them???

 

been using the Orochi since day one with my m11x R2, love it!

Got mine from newegg, picked 3 day option, got it 1. Best buy may carry it, I know they carry the Mamba.

 

I found a few Best Buy stores close(ish) to me that say they have atleast one is stock... I will try tomorrow and let you know how I like mine

 

Saw the Orochi at BestBuy yesterday.

 

I'm sorry, but Razer Orochi is over-hyped and over-fluffed. It is pure marketing fluff, aimed at the mass market consumer who is impressed by its image of a "gaming" company. It is no different than Bose, who tries to promote an image of a top-end audio company (which it is not). It is no different than Monster Cable, which tries to promote the idea that somehow their cables will magically make everything better.

The Razer Orochi is a "gaming" mouse that operates on either wireless or wired mode. In wireless mode, it is a Bluetooth mouse that runs at 2000dpi and 125Hz polling rate (8ms lag). For a "gaming" mouse, those specs are pretty weak. But the worst part of all is that it has a 3 second sleep lag. If you don't move your mouse for 3 seconds, the Orochi goes into sleep mode. When you move your mouse again, it takes a few moments for it to "jump" back awake.

Of course, Razer apologists will tell you "Well, when you're gaming, you use it in wired mode!" The Orochi is a 4000dpi mouse in wired mode, with no sleep lag.

All fine and good, but I have to ask myself "Why should I bother buying a mouse that is a great wired mouse, but a half-arsed wireless mouse? Why should I need to change my usage patterns because of the shortcomings of the mouse? Why don't I just buy a mouse that works at full performance in either wired or wireless mode?

And that is just the limitation of the mouse - the software that comes with the mouse is apparently nothing to write home about either.

If you want a wireless gaming mouse, then get the Logitech G700. It is superior to Razer mice in every single way, shape, and form.

 

I use a plain GE Optical mouse. I think I got it for $5.

 

I love everything about my orochi except for the range you get in wireless mode. I use my m11x on my hdtv while sitting on the couch but the lag can be really annoying sometimes. If I come closer to the laptop the lag disappears. My tv is barely 15 feet away from the couch..

 

So I've had my orochi now a couple of days, and it's gotten some heavy use. Here are my thoughts:

(1) love the feel - gave my gf a go and she said it's the nicest mouse she's ever touched - it's the nicest I've held since the MX518 - mind you I have small hands so it's suits me just fine - I had a VX nano and this feels much much better

(2) the 2s sleep timer is the most annoying thing I've ever encountered during the last 15 years of enthusiast computing - and razer hasn't done it any favours by making the subsequent wakeup really SLOOOOW

(3) on-the-fly sensitivity changing (even in wireless mode) is a dream

(4) bluetooth pairing was done right - just set it up the first time and they'll pair perfectly everytime you power the m11x back up

(5) gaming in wireless is actually ok - in WoW and SC2 it's perfect, and I haven't noticed any lag with Bioshock - perfectly playable. TF2 and DoD are also quite playable - but once you go wired, you'll never go back, there's a very noticeable difference in performance with the twitchy games

(5) so in wired mode, it flies, as you'd expect - I love the soft cable, and it's a perfect length

(6) the mouse software is also ok, and reasonably customizable. The only problem is (and to be honest, it's a huge oversight), it's only usable when the mouse is plugged in via the wire - soooooo annoying

(7) another annoying aspect is the 2xAA batteries - why no rechargable Li-Pol that you could charge whilst plugged in with the cable?? HUGE opportunity missed here. Razer claims 2-3 months battery life, though I've read in some forums that they lasted less than a week. I'll find out with the stocks soon enough.

Verdict: I love it and hate it. #2 is so frickin annoying, it almost ruins the whole experience for me. I want to throw the thing out the window about every 10min. It is an otherwise excellent mouse - but that sleep timer is so nearly a deal-breaker for me. And I'm not even a heavy gamer. Be forewarned.

 

Last weekend I bought and subsequently returned the Orochi because I absolutely could not deal with the 2 second sleep time.

 

The orochi is horrible, 2 second sleep time, in game freezes on bluetooth mode, terrible shape (imo). Go for the pyra.

 

The Razer Naga is a nice small mouse for portable gaming if you don't mind being wired.

 

It's not a wireless gaming mouse. It's a solid-performing mini-sized gaming mouse in wired mode. In bluetooth mode is on-par with other bluetooth mice & maybe slightly below-par because of the overly aggressive sleep timer.(Which works pretty well for conserving battery....but an option to tweak would be nice)
Wired mode has 1,000 hz polling which means 1ms latency. Tracking speed is only 100ipm....but that should serve most people well. It doesn't use the battery in wired mode,

If you happen to have bluetooth in your laptop(This mouse is marketed towards laptops, obviously), you can pair it & use it in bluetooth mode when you're not gaming. This is pretty nice because you don't have to do anything, just turn the mouse on. No used USB port consumed, no plugs hanging off the side of your computer, no wires. Works fine for websurfing & stuff, but that's about it.

Bluetooth mode has 125hz polling with 8ms latency. It's definitely not meant for gaming. But it's a CONVENIENT mode for day-to-day stuff.

As for the sleep...I've seen some confusion on this. The sleep has a 4 second timer. After 2 seconds of no movement, the lights go out....but it's not asleep yet. If you move it after 2 seconds there is no delay. After 4 seconds it goes into sleep mode & takes about .5 seconds to come back when you move it. This will look & feel like a giant mouse-lag spike. Which will definitely annoy some(most?) people.

I've seen other bluetooth mice do this. I'm guessing bluetooth must be a battery hog. Every bluetooth device I own has a sleep timer like that....but the orochi's is set really aggressively. I'm still working on my factory batteries. I know bluetooth destroys my phone's battery when using an active connection. I don't really think bluetooth is a very good for mouse applications....maybe once later revisions come out & enhance the speed & power consumption we can start talking bluetooth mice.


So, if you can get past the sleep timer, it's not so bad. If it bothers you, go wired or find a proper wireless mouse. If you've just GOTTA have a bluetooth mouse, you're going to run into the same problems no matter what brand. If you wanna go wireless, USB wireless is much better. The example provided, the G700, is definitely a good candidate. It's even got a higher tracking speed @ 200ipm vs the orochi's 100ipm(even in wired mode)


The Roccat Pyra is a USB wireless mouse (Uses the micro-reciever) so it's not really a fair comparison. USB wireless will always win vs Bluetooth wireless. The only reason to consider a bluetooth mouse is if you're restricted in USB ports, even then you wont find a high-performing bluetooth mouse. If you want performance, it's gonna cost you a USB slot wireless or wired. I can't personally speak for the Roccat Pyra tho, I haven't used one. I'm looking forward to trying one out soon, tho. I'll post a mini-review. I'm expecting it to be a USB wireless version of the orochi.

 

Nice little mini-review.

If those items really bother you, I would consider returning the Razer Orochi and getting a Logitech G700. t is superior to the Orochi in every single way:

1) The Logitech G700 is an improved design of their MX-series and G-series mice. If you liked the Mx518, I think you'll like the G700.

2) No annoying sleep lag (and the sleep lag that is there is adjustable - both in idle timer and wake-up speed).

3) Logitech G700 supports up to 5 DPI sensitivity profiles, adjustable and configurable through software, and stores the profiles on the mouse.

4) There is no pairing, because of use of the nano receiver.

5) I think that you will find the G700 to be perfect here. It was born and bred from Logitech gaming mice heritage, and sacrifices no performance at all in wired or wireless mode.

6) Logitech software is pretty nice - and usable in both wired or wireless mode.

7) Wired mode on the G700 simultaneously charges the rechargeable batteries, and lets you use it as a pure wired mouse. Using it as a pure wired mouse is important if you are in an area with a lot of 2.4Ghz wireless interference (lots of WiFi access points, lots of other wireless mice, and/or microwaves) like a LAN party or some other crrowded area with lots of computers. No need to replace batteries, ever.

 

@Look at the Alienware Tactx mouse. Up to 5000 dpi, 4 settings on the fly. I love it so far. Plus I have it setup to match my alienware green theme.

In my opinion this is a 5 star mouse.

BW, StevenX

 

the reason i bought the orochi over the pyra,

mostly because the m11x only has 3 usb ports and the orochi in wireless mode doesn't need one.

also i read in many reviews that the pyras battery life in wireless mode is not that good ,having only AAA batteries while the orochi used AA the longest i used mine is at least 2 -2half weeks.

its fair to mention that the pyra can recharge the battery when you plug it in usb mode while the orochi does not for me the issue doesn't get much points because its not like a AA battery is hard to find.

as for design for me the orochi is better looking and usb is actually gold plated and the wire has a braided shield to it rather that your typical plastic shield.

 

I had Mamba and Orochi. Both have very, very annoying flaw - choosy sensor. You have to buy right mousemat for it (tested well on Razer Pro|pad) or suffer random skipping and extended lift-off&put-down reaction time. Generally read Razer Blueprints.

Moreover, Orochi is difficult to lift-off because of not grippy and shaped for that purpose sides (especially for wireless weight). You can play Orochi well only in wired mode without batteries and on decent surface, on wireless I couldn't stand against opponents on my normal skill level in Quake Live.

Mamba is much better shaped for lifting off, but sharp edges are painful for extended usage sessions. I felt relief putting hand again on DeathAdder. Mamba is not worth the price and it's not for serious gaming.

Now I'm testing WIRED Pyra. Weight and shape are excellent for me, but few times an hour it skips some of X-axis movement. I'm testing it on Qpad Heaton and I don't want to change it only because mouse sensor doesn't work well with it. Maybe it skips some movement with much more surfaces and I'll end up buying and selling tons of pads? It doesn't even work on regular A4 white sheet 0.o

I recommend you none of them ;]