Video Editing on m11x

Anybody benchmark Video Editing tools on m11x R2?

 

I second the request for a video editing benchmark on the M11x R2..Does anyone have any idea if it will be adequate for working with 720p video on Adobe Premiere CS4/CS5? Will it be a barely adequate solution or more than enough? My decision to purchase the M11x R2 rests solely on this factor!

 

I also ordered with the intention of editing 1080p video coming out of my canon HR10. My Toshiba with a C2D T5500 2GB is choking with any video editing software that actually support AVCHD.

 

I third this request! I use Avid!

 

Does anyone know how the older R1 M11x models fair with 720p video editing? Right now my old as hell Dell E1505/6400 can barely even CAPTURE the video, much less edit it. I know someone selling his R1 with SU4100 and 4gb ram and 500gb HD for $700, which is basically half the price of an i5 including tax (stupid Canadian tax). If the R1 is up to the task of decent video editing then I'd rather pick that up and save the money..

 

I use lightroom, and I might try that tonight, but no video for me. I got a few 5D mark II raw files that I could try batch convert.

 

Also very interested in seeing these benchmarks. I really just need it to handle 720p editing vs 1080p...

 

wauw, off topic but do you have a 5D Mark II? I was going to save money for a 7D but now people are telling me to get this one! I heard the video capture quality is supposed to be amazing, even with stock lenses!

 

When I get my maxed out m11x next month in my review I will be testing 3DS Max, Adobe After Effects, Vue, and probably some others.

 

Off topic(on, in this case), the 5D2 have bigger sensor than 7D, this this help a lot. I never touch 7D, but 7D was design after 5D2 so it's actually built with video in mind. eg: the button interface on the back is much better, it have dedication button for the video while 5D2 doesn't. Also, originally 5D2 didn't have 24fps at the beginning thus using this may create some problem, but low light usage wise, 5D2 is better. While 7D would have a bit better AF. Yea, tough choice. But since I already have 1D3, 5D2 is a better fit. And also, I don't very shoot video with it, so it's ok. So, you are looking at $800 diffrence, $2500 vs $1700(looking at BH Photo). I would say if shooting picture is the first priority usage, then I would go w/ 5D2. Also, you have to factor the fact that both dSLR aren't design to be handle the way normal camcorder work. In order to get a clean video(no shaking), you will have to put it on tripod or get something like reverse monopod(if you shoot while moving). I don't very see the use of shooting video on dSLR in the first place. It's definitely a steep curve of learning regard less of whether you pick 5D2 or 7D.

 

Can't wait to see some experiment output like these. I am getting mine on July 12th. If it don't cut it for editing HD video (i.e. Tubo 2.66ghz barely ever engages), it's gogin back to dell.

 

I am using a simple video editing program to create simple video clips.. I wanna know if anyone used Pinnacle HD ultimate edition on m11x and how it performed..

 

Off Topic Cont'd:
So I have a 7D and the video quality is great, but since its a 1.6 crop it will make shakes more noticeable. The design is slighly better with the dedicated switch, but its a DSLR and the ergonomics are not good unless you buy a special rig for follow focus and viewfinder. The 5Dmk2 also has better audio control.

As far as shooting pictures, I think it depends on your style. If you do birding or sports, then you'll need the 7D better AF and fps. If you want absolute picture quality, especially in low ISO then definitely the 5Dmk2.

Anyway, I should try video processing later to see how it handles.

 

Ok, just did a batch export of 67 5D Mark II RAW files. Total import RAW files size 1.83GB. Export to 90% JPEG. (some maybe cropped) Total export JPEG files size 362MB. Total time 7.53 mins.
M11xR2 w/ i7, no-OC, GMA-HD profile, on AC not battery and HD upgraded to Seagate Momentus XT 500GB.

 

What did you use to batch convert? DPP? ACR?

How is the performance boost and battery life with the Momentus XT? I plan on getting this drive as well?

 

Providing you pick tools which support CUDA you can let the GPU be the powerhouse for the editing

 

Awesome, I already placed my order for an m11x this morning before seeing this thread, but I'm glad I stumbled on it because just about everything mentioned in here is what I plan on trying out with the new laptop.

Btw, I also have a 5D Mark II and I'm currently trying out the demo of Lightroom 3 on my old Fujitsu T4220 and it does pretty well so I'm confident it will do far better on the m11x. Being able to play and edit the HD movies on the m11x will also be a welcomed addition.

Aside from gaming, normal use, and Lightroom, I will also plan on trying out:

• Maya
• After Effects
• Photoshop
• Illustrator
• Source Engine level editing (Left For Dead maps, etc.)
• UnrealEd

For those curious, the specs of my m11x are:

• i7
• 256 SSD
• 8GB RAM

 

LR3, if you need to know what version.

I do miss the pen & high res screen though. but it's pretty snappy.

 

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Intel Pentium Dual Core SU4100
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Nice work on the video. I am using Pinnacle Studio 14 and it bugs down totally my C2D t5500 with 2GB. Hope the mi11x I7 will shoot for the moon.

 

Your videos are cool! I enjoyed =]

Yes, it would be awesome if you made a video of what running cs5 on your R1 is like! Is it sufficient for editing and exporting in 720p in your experience?

 

For very simple editing the m11x is okay. Not great but okay. As was said before a package supporting CUDA will be far better. As to 3D work such as 3d studio and maya. I would imagine they would run but not very well. I use an Envy 15 for those types of programs and still push renders to a small render farm as the envy gets hot enough to fry eggs on. Fast for a laptop though.

 

Caladon - great job mate would love to see how CS5 runs!

I would imagine SD editing would run well, but HD editing would be where it would get a bit iffy?

 

I think if you need video encoding badly on a notebook I think you shouldn't sattle for anything less than quad core w/ HT 8 threads like i7-720QM. But, I don't think you will get it on such a small footprint. Maybe 13-15" screen to accomodate larger battery needed also.

 

what if you just had a monitor at work and another at home, and then you could HDMI, both when home and at work!

Maybe even with external editing keyboard for pimpiness;D

 

The point isn't that you need larger screen, but the fact that CPU like i7-720QM consume a lots of power compared to i7-UM serires, thus you probably will want larger battery size. Hence larger screen=larger base=more battery. If your example to be used as mobile desktop, and battery isn't an issue then you could build yourslef a quad core shuttle-type system w/ a lots more powerful CPU & more memory and not to mention RAID0 harddrives.

 

I don't need to do hardcore video editing on the M11x R1, but I'd like to know if it can at least handle 720p capture and editing. Rendering and encoding can take as long as it needs to, but I just need to make sure I can actually work in CS4/CS5 until I put together a desktop in several months with the $500 or so I would save from getting R1 instead of a loaded R2

 

This is a big problem I have here also. I plan to use it for photo editing. But it doesn't have gigabit. I checked the manual before I brought it and I saw that it have gigabit. But it doesn't, so this is a big issue for me. If you have video that need to be move back and forward on the NAS, this can be a issue, just be aware. I have email their techsupport but go no response yet. I may have to return this unit though.

 

According to notebookcheck.com. turbo rarely kicks in

"Still the Turbo Boost may not trigger very often (sometimes it is even not activated in the BIOS) and therefore the maximum of 2.26 GHz is not very important. All in all the I7-640UM should be faster than a Core 2 Duo SL9300 (1.6GHz)."

Notebookcheck: Intel Core i7 640UM Notebook Processor

 

BUMP!

anybody do anymore videoediting yet?

 

Mine arrives tomorrow, I use AutoGK a lot to encode DIVX, I can also do the same project side by side with my R1 to see the difference

 

**From my other post on other site** (m11x is not R2)

i5 vs u7300
"Studio 1558 i5-M520 @ 2.4GHz with 4GB Ram"
"AW M11x [email protected] with 4GB Ram"
Bootup to Facial Recognition search: same
Loading to desktop after login: same
Loading Adobe Illustrator CS4: Studio=30sec / M11x=33sec
Loading Adobe Photoshop64: Forgot to time
Loading Adobe Photoshop64 (cached): Studio=3sec / M11x=5sec
No contest for 3dmark06/Vantage the M11x does much better. Studio performs like my old E1705 due to GPU

Encoding. In order to be consistent and save me a lot of hassle I used a benchmark utility. Realizing of course that what application is used will skew the results up or down I bring:

x264 HD BENCHMARK 3.0 RESULTS

M11x encode...
Results for x264.exe r1342
--------------------------
encoded 1442 frames, 22.73 fps, 3899.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 22.63 fps, 3899.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 22.47 fps, 3899.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 22.93 fps, 3899.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 5.33 fps, 3970.94 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 5.43 fps, 3971.12 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 5.42 fps, 3970.90 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 5.43 fps, 3971.41 kb/s

Studio 1558 encode...
Results for x264.exe r1342
--------------------------
encoded 1442 frames, 42.66 fps, 3900.68 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 42.81 fps, 3900.68 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 42.58 fps, 3900.68 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 42.44 fps, 3900.68 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 11.92 fps, 3970.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 11.93 fps, 3971.71 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 11.98 fps, 3971.63 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 12.00 fps, 3972.08 kb/s
i-series starts to shine here. I think with exception of a few applications that can use the video card this will be common.

Both systems using W7HP64bit

Then I did a mild edit:
DV camera to AVI via firewire results in 2.26GB AVI file...
Convert AVI to SD WMV video of approx 250mb via Windows7 Movie Maker...

M11x: 8 minutes
Studio: 4 minutes

That was the only way I could quickly compare two new systems of similar spec but diff processor. The last "test" was for an actual home project, nothing simulated and using software common to Win7.

 

Hey GNandGS, thanks a lot for running the tests. Haha I actually have a much simpler concern and I'm hoping you can shed some light on it since you ran the encoding tests.

I'm not too concerned about how long it takes to render or encode and export the video...it can take all day once I'm finished editing for all I care. What I'm more concerned about is if one can feasibly work with 720p, 1080i, and/or 1080p footage on Adobe Premiere CS4 or CS5 on the M11x R1 or R2.

If editing, as in cutting, pasting and trimming clips in time to music and audio is reasonably smooth then I'll be a happy camper, but if it's slow, choppy, and plays very slowly when you preview the timeline then that might pose a problem.

Editing SD video on my 4 year old Dell E1505 with a T2400 1.8ghz C2D and 2gb of ram while using Adobe Premiere CS3 is perfectly fine, but I can't even really CAPTURE 720p video without running into huge slowdown problems, much less edit the footage. I'm not sure if this is a limitation of CS3 that would be solved by upgrading to CS4, or if the bottleneck is the CPU. Can anyone advise please?

 

I have a 7D, and before that a Nikon D90. If video is all your interested in, get the T2i. It'll look just as good as the 7D (which is slightly, ever so slightly less awesome than the 5D II). You'll save a heck of a lot of money which can be spent on lenses, support, etc. which will ultimately mean a lot more for the final picture than the difference between a T2i/7D and a 5D II.

Basically, the only real difference from a video standpoint between all the different Canons is the build quality and button layout. You'd be very, very, very hard-pressed to see a difference in image quality between the 5D, 7D, and T2i in the same settings unless you knew each camera very well already. Even then it'd be miniscule.

I'm saying all of this based off of personal experience.

The 5D II, however, has the advantage of being full frame and working with full frame lenses at their native focal lengths, which is why many high-end users pick it over the 7D or T2i (example, the season finale of House was shot exclusively on 5D II's). This doesn't affect the actual image much, mainly just makes it easier to find good lenses.

However, there are loads and loads of great lenses for the other Canons as well. Basically, if video is your only concern, just buy what fits your budget and you'll be very happy.

Of course, if you're also concerned about photography, then it's a whole different set of considerations...

Hope this helps.

 

Have not done the kind of tests others would like... in other words I didn't output to super high quality or experiment with codecs.

Capture was done over firewire from a mini-DV Canon camera. This is as good as my hardware will allow for source. Where things differ is I used Windows7 default software to do the capture. Did NOT use Adobe.

 

I would like to ask a simple and straight forward question. Has anyone tried editing HD video with the m11x and Adobe Premiere CS5? How does the m11x handle Premiere CS5's time-line? Does it sputter along making editing next to impossible or is it able to handle the playback of the time line in a usable way? If you have tried this, with what CPU did you do this? Was it a core 2 duo or an i5 or i7?

The reason why I ask is because Premiere CS5 had CUDA built in and therefore uses the Nvidia GPU to share the rendering load with the cpu.

If anyone has tried this setup please let us know.

 

Yes please, I second this. It is EXACTLY what I want to know! Encoding time is of little to no importance if you can't even work with your footage on the time-line

 

It will likely do same or dang close to other i-series laptops. Do you have data from other systems to compare? I suggest it because I for one do not have CS5 or any HD content to mess with.

System I have is R1 btw.

 

Just a quick thing... tried opening PremierPro CS4 version and it loaded no issues while on integrated. Switch on Nvidia and it doesnt get past splash screen! grr. Even with reboot. Screen shows "loading PlayerMediaCore.prm"

 

I am using a Dell Precision M4400 with CS5 and the nVidia Quadro FX770 @ 2.8 mhz with 4 gigs of Ram. Despite this low spec setup, I am still able to edit HD 1080p content. The timeline scrubs ok and I can see the CUDA supported video effects in real time. I was unable to do this with CS4 using the exact same laptop.
My system is more than adequate to get some good quality work done while on the road.
My interest in the m11x is the fact I am trying to lighten my load while traveling. My computer bag is always dangerously close to maximum allowable carry-on weight with airlines. I have no choice but to lug external drives to store my video assets. I figured it would be nice to have the same power in a smaller package.
I am seriously looking at this laptop with an i7 cpu. I think it may work well with CS5.

 

I second the CS5 HD video editing Bench mark as I also bouht this laptop with the intention of editing HD video and killing zombies. Just got a newborn and if I don't release a video per day the whole family start calling in every hour or so. With my current toshiba statllite t5500 2gb and with pinnacle studio 14 I can never know what have done unless I rander the whole movie and it doe not crash on me.

 

I was able to install CS5 Adobe Premiere yesterday after finally receiving my m11x R2 i7 4GB. Took 21 days of agony.

I was only able to start a project and import one 1080p clip filmed with a Canon HF R10. I was able to play the clip in CS5 clip editor without any issue but I did not have time to fiddle with any effects or rendering.

I should be able to try more stuff tonight depending on my business level.

Also, had to specify in the nVidia control panel that the application was to be used with the 3d card.

 

I'm doing editing with Pinnacle 14 and footage taken off my Canon Vixia30 camcorder. No problems whatsoever. I would say that you set the program to run with the gpu in the Nvidia control panel. Once that's done. No problems at all. Everything is smooth!

 

I got pinnacle 14, I will give it try tonight also!!

 

Anyone gotten GPU acceleration to work in Premiere Pro CS5?

 

However, what you can find in M11x-R2 is i5-520 UM (1060-1866MHz), not i5-520M (2400-2933MHz), although you may manually overclock the i5-520UM so as to get more than 1866MHz...

 

If you don't have an approved card and have over 768mb of dedicated video memory you can "hack" CS5 to think you have the right stuff:

Hacking Adobe Premiere CS5 to enable more nVidia CUDA cards | KRAMA i.news - blog.krama.tv

 

Hello Blake, i would like to ask you, if you were tested your m11x for 3ds max. I would say, im pretty disapointed so far, because it freezes all the time, no matter which renderer i use for viewport (direct3D or opengl), no matter which driver i install for nvidia gt335m, still poor. Im starting to think i have bad chip or something. 1GB GPU shoud kick 3dsmax , not freezing while im rotating simple cube in scene. What more, not even one game is running that fast as i saw on youtube reviews. Is that normal ? What experiences are you ?

 

Any updates on this?

Is Pinncale 14 working with 720p and 1080p on the i7 R2 with GPU enabled?

 

I've been doing some reading. Going to use powerdirector instead. It uses CUDA and other methods which should allow it to work well. May even go for 8GB of RAM since its 64BIt compatible.

PowerDirector 9 - World 1st 64-bit consumer video editing software