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    is there big diffrence between : su7300 / i5 /7 and 335m to 540m gpu ?

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by Kamzan, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. Kamzan

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    topic pretty much says it asll , just wondering if there is a huge leap between the cpu's / the two gpu's.
    trying to calculate which is best value for buk and run games well...

    thanks
     
  2. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    There is a pretty big gap, but with my r1 (su7300) I can play most games pretty well, some have to be put down to low graphics to play though.
     
  3. Kamzan

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    do u think that would change if u take r3 for 300$ extra ? for i7 and 540m
     
  4. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    If I could manually switch the graphics card like you can on the r1 I would take the r3, but since you cant, I wont switch up to a new model.
     
  5. Kamzan

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    i dont mind for the gpu switch , i do mind for a tad more performance , like instead of 20fps crysis 2 on r1 to 40 fps on r3 ?
    huge change
     
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    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    If the auto switching is fine for you, then I would get the best you can afford.
     
  7. HEUR

    HEUR Notebook Consultant

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    Better for games: Alienware m11x r3...
    best valued: Alienware m11x r1, a cheap and powerful machine...

    My personal opinion:
    R1 vs R3: R3
    R2 vs R3: R3
    R1 vs R2: R1
     
  8. Piedmont

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    The 540M is a better graphics card, with nVidia the first number is the generation, second is the class, and 3rd is the revision. Oddly, because of that the middle number is the most important. Meaning the 335 is a 3rd generation, class 3 card, 2nd revision (nVidia puts a 5 at the end for a revision) while the 540 is a 5th generation, class 4 card, 1st revision. Better generation, better class, but because the middle number is higher on the 540 that means it's a higher class card. Anyway, what I'm saying is it would've made more sense if nVidia swapped the first 2 numbers.

    The 540 vs. 335M
    Crysis at high settings 30fps vs. 22fps
    Starcraft 2 at 37fps vs. 30.6fps
    Battlefield Bad Company 2 at high 31fps vs. 24fps

    So yes there is a difference some games can be played on high with the 540M but medium on the 335M.

    As for the processor, you really won't see much benefit with the i5 vs. i7 unless you do video editing. Bang for buck, would likely be the R3 with i5 (with 540M video card). Just make sure you look for coupon codes, I bought mine a few months ago and found a couple coupon codes online that applied a discount to an i7 with 6GB R3, then another that took something like $50-75 off that (I wasn't aware it would let me enter more than 1 coupon code) giving me the choice of either an i5 with 4GB or an i7 with 6GB for the same price... didn't take me too long to think that one over :) I already checked and the coupon codes I used don't work anymore, but they possibly have been updated/replaced. Also, don't use your debit card when you order unless you want a nightmare.
     
  9. Kamzan

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    thanks alot for the detailed answer , realy helped out.
    cupons dont refer to me sadly since i need it internationaly and dell dont ship to israel :)
    still thanks for the info , helped me make up my mind
     
  10. DeeVu

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    I've had all three models and the biggest improvement is from the R1 to R2. The R2 can handle every game today with at least low settings. The difference between the R2 and R3 is that the R3 can play the games that the R2 plays on low at medium or high settings. I'd recommend the R3 but if money is the problem then I'd select the R2.
     
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    Buy an M11xR1 if you have a VERY fine tip soldering iron and know how to use it.

    Buy an M11xR2 i7 for good CPU/GPU OC.

    Buy an M11xR3 if you have the money and none of the preceeding lines make any sence.
     
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    lol vibes.

    I like the manual gpu switching but with driver improvements it wouldnt be a deal killer. Go R3!

    I like my old VGA port. I actually still run into things that can use it. Go R1!

    Voting for R3 if you have the cash. Then R2. R1 if out of money or must have VGA port and allergic to adapters.

    Search for the new thread comparing the models!
     
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    if you pinmod a R1 its just as powerful as the R2 i7 (stock) but it cant touch the R3.
     
  15. Kamzan

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    great post man.
    i still dont know if its worth getting R3 when i have m18x.. like 2 laptops... ?
    so the m18x is 18 inch and eights 6 kg , not the best mobility. the m11x is nice but then i wont touch the m18x ? :)
    so should i just get the minimum system spec for the m11x for world of warcraft / portal2 / bad company 2 on the go ? or get an R3 for much smoother gameplay
     
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    wish I could upgrade to the 540m

    oh well that's how electronics work
     
  17. DeeVu

    DeeVu That Compsci/Psych Major

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    Not even close. The R2 i7 has hyper threading making (4threads rather than 2) it at least 50% more powerful.


    It's all personal preference. Do you like power or portability more? You could gnab an R1 for 400-500 bucks and be set for trips but dont expect anything stellar.
     
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    I agree, all personal preference. I purchased a 17.4" gaming laptop and hated it. Battery life was about 55 minutes, the screen killed my eyes (it was 1900 x 1200), something about it after using for a couple hours my eyes felt like I'd just had eye surgery and the pain would last for days. The fans were so loud I couldn't bring or use it anywhere without people wondering who was turning on the hair dryer. Mine weighed 14 lbs in total (6.4kg), and my favorite thing/place to use it is in bed which was problem as the weight of it would put my legs to sleep and trying to find a laptop pad that fits it and has room for a mouse on the side was pretty hard... then we get into my wife trying to sleep or watch TV next to me with the fans whinning up and down and being loud as a hair dryer drove her nuts.

    Then I bought a netbook, for 2 years it has been my goto machine for about 99% of the time. Excellent battery life, quiet, portable, plenty of room on a laptop pad, could even play some strategy games on it. But the 600 pixel high screen was incredibly annoying it's amazing how much stuff is 1024 x 768 so I had to keep scrolling up/down or certain programs buttons & screens would mash into themselves, and it struggled playing 360p movies/clips higher wasn't possible so if my wife was sleeping I really didn't have a way to stay in bed and watch a movie, or play any of the newer titles. I also hated the tiny pad.

    Then I got the m11x and I would say it has been the greatest computer/laptop purchase I've made ever. Great battery life, the screen is 768 high it is much better for browsing than the netbook, watching 720p movies is awesome and smooth, for gaming some people say it can be loud but I guess when I'm used to one sounding like a hair dryer when gaming it makes no sound at all :) It doesn't sound much louder than my wifes laptop when I game, and when not gaming it is totally silent (I have a laptop pad that lifts the back up 1/2"). I love the full size trackpad. I can easily use it on my lap without putting my legs to sleep, plenty of room for the mouse on said pad. I can also use it for photo and video editing (though my gaming laptop is better, I still hate using it).

    Just the "take it anywhere" aspect of one is really addicting and you may find yourself using it a whole lot more than you thought even though you have a better system. I sure did... I haven't used my 17.4" gaming laptop in months. Happened to us with our stereo as well. We had a nice portable stereo that wasn't that difficult to move around... about the size of a bowling ball and the quality was excellent. But, we got an mp3 player the size of an ipod and speakers that it fits into and it sounds pretty good. It ends up being about the size of a small book, and so convenient to grab and go we fight over the damn thing constantly neither of us want to grab the bowling ball stereo even though it's much nicer we want the convenience and portability of the other unit.

    I rate my gaming laptop (for $3,500) the worst investment I've made in probably a decade while rating the $1,000 m11x r3 probably the best. But that's just me. I would really not be surprised if it turns into your main goto laptop even if your gaming one is also available, so I wouldn't go the cheapest route. At a minimum I would say start with the middle ground, I think you'll find yourself using it a whole lot more than you think even with owning a more capable gaming laptop. I would go for the cheapest 540M route (i5 r3 4GB) and if you can use do a search for coupon codes m11x and use them if you can. Don't worry about the 2GB model of the 540M vs. 1GB either the m11x can't use more than 1GB (it's a marketing ploy).
     
  19. Kamzan

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    i like power , its why i got the m18x, but sweating in my back when i carry it outside in the orion backpack aint kewl :) not to mantion taking it out in the train and puting 18inch laptop on the seats table is too big , too shaky... same goes in a coffee shop when i seat with friends and they want to read a book to pass the time , i take out the m18x and they have to take their drinks off the table caus the laptop is too big :)

    so im realy aiming towards the m11x which so far i only hear good reviews... im just scared to start making the m18x gather dust.. :)
     
  20. Kamzan

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    great response mate , however , i do enjoy the m18x gaming laptop performance quite well... its everything but mobile i agree and thats the major downside. but the m11x is truely catching my eye more and more , and surely i will order the 540m gt R3.
     
  21. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    lol no. without TS the r2 i7 is nothing stock. a su7300@2ghz is very close to the same speed. with better battery life.
     
  22. MassiveOverkill

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    That's like saying a Prius is faster than a Corvette without tires. It's not like TS costs anything, although I did voluntary contribute to it.
     
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    doesnt matter. the core2duo can still compete here. pin modded R1's are faster the stock R2's
     
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    And why would someone want to pin mod an R1 and not do a simple software tweak on an R2?
     
  25. GNandGS

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    Err. Because they already own the R1 and may not see the need then to spend. Or maybe they can get a killer deal on one?

    His point is valid but off topic. If presented a normal online purchase choice in most situations the pinmod discussion isn't so relevant.
     
  26. DeeVu

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    Like someone stated above. If someone is pin modding The c2d to it's full potential, then we have to compare to the i7s full potential as well by using ts. This being the case: yes battery efficiency is reduced but raw ability Is drastically separated from being close to equals.

    Edit: not to mention overclocking through setpll with the right set of ram - all these mods place the I-core models above it. Especially since if you are lucky like maradon you could even get a 1ghz above stock clock on the i5/i7. The only way you can look at performance difference is either unmodded v unmodded OR modded v modded.