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    only one question, Starcraft 2 on m11x

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by bobbygao, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. bobbygao

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    Starcraft 2 (maybe diablo 3) will be the only game I will be playing on Pc for a long time. I just want to know how Starcraft 2 will work on this. Will I be able to do 30fps on high settings during every kind of match?(2v2 3v3) I want a portable notebook where I can take anywhere, a powerful one which can power up all blizzard games, and after doing a lot of research. I chose to ask this question.

    I heard rts games are really cpu intensive and the recommended requirements for sc2 is a 2.4Ghz double core processor.. Do I have to get an i7 version then?

    Any kind of help would be appreciated. Thanks!
     
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    PC Requirements
    PC Minimum System Requirements*:

    Windows® XP/Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 (Updated with the latest Service Packs) with DirectX® 9.0c
    2.6 GHz Pentium® IV or equivalent AMD Athlon® processor
    128 MB PCIe NVIDIA® GeForce® 6600 GT or ATI Radeon® 9800 PRO video card or better
    12 GB available HD space
    1 GB RAM (1.5 GB required for Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 users)
    DVD-ROM drive
    Broadband Internet connection
    1024X720 minimum display resolution
    PC Recommended Specifications:

    Windows Vista®/Windows® 7
    Dual Core 2.4Ghz Processor
    2 GB RAM
    512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better



    This is the StarCraft II System Requirements
     
  3. MikeeDinh

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    need to get use to the small screen too xD
     
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    Screen is not a problem: ) but the performance is very important to me...
     
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    As far as Diablo 3 is concerned, it might not even be on the market for another 2 years so I would say No, this machine almost certainly won't run it with high quality settings. That said, it will probably still run as Blizzard is good at eeking out every list bit to make a new game run on old hardware.

    On StarCraft 2, you'll be fine on Single player campaign, and 1v1. Some people have reported issues with high quality on 2v2 but they are recent and were the result of a code change. Odds are Blizzard has already changed it back. 3v3 is probably pushing the limits and I wouldn't bet on high quality for all encounters.

    I didn't even know there was 3v3 :) I only LAN play with friends and that infrequently. I'll be in line Tuesday for the single player campaign!
     
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    I've played the Beta in its entirety on the m11x and it runs great. I was able to run SC2 on high settings in 2v2, although it would slow down in big battles. For me their was a significant visual change from medium settings and high settings in SC2 so I stayed running at high.
     
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    If you OC the m11x r1, you can run 4v4's fluently at High Settings as reported from youtube vid's.

    Bare in mind some games actually run better on Higher settings then medium for some titles. so u really need to just tweek' it out when it releases next week :)
     
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    I'm going to agree with this. I wouldn't expect big games to be playable on high settings, given that the 335M has fewer shaders, they're slower clocked and has significantly less memory bandwidth. However 1v1's and the campaign, sans any epic battles should be just fine.
     
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    So most of the time high is ok right? Thanks a lot! Is it for the i7 version only or it is like this in the su7300 version?
    OMG! You can play lan SC2? How? This is the best news I have heard so far... For the original starcraft I always play 3v3 btw: )
     
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    This is a joke right... 4v4 on high! If this is true, those who invented the m11x should get a nobel prize for this or something...

    Thank you for your advice! I'll get the m11x along with the Starcraft 2, not sure R1 or R2 though, but I will start tweeking it right away when I get it... If r1 is this good, I might not be getting r2 because all those optimus issues...
     
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    slow down? How significant is the drop... I like teamplay and it will annoy me very much if it slows me to the level where I will let down my teamate... So my question is... How much slower...?
     
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    I bet your ultra powerful m17x won't be a problem for this... Epic battles are definitely gonna happen... As long as it stays around 30 fps then I am fine with it
     
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    I'm assuming the people I read were talking about the i7 version, but I'm not sure.

    As far as LAN SC2, you can't. But you can fake it. I'm told Blizzard (wasn't in beta) will have a method for you to play on a LAN with friends but it will still be via Battle.Net. Now hopefully they engineer the network traffic patterns correctly so everything doesn't have to go to battle.net and come back.
     
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    Well testers have seen not much an increase in Performance between i cores and OC'ed SU. Id give it like a 10% increase. If anything the R1 can Play a 4v4 Mostly HIgh Fluently Before the latest patch. 2v2 Ultra

    However, if you go with the I cores. Id see it being more stable in the high end 4v4.

    I Would have gotten a i7 but im a college student. I need battery :(
     
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    So what you are saying is let them verify each system, but don't go to battle.net, as long as they know this is not a pirate version it's fine, right?
    That would be great! They all say there isn't too much difference between i7 and su7300, and I like the manual gpu switch, but the matte finish is also important...God it's a hard choice!
     
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    So in other words, r1 can single handedly handle any kind of sc2 matches on high with no significant fps drops right? I don't play 4v4, 3v3 is the line :) so this is even better news for me. The video you saw, does it show the fps? I mean 4v4 at how many frames per second when that guy plays online?

    Actually, I'm a college student too... I need my battery and the portability too...
     
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    I have both R1 & R2. Up until the recent driver update by nvidia, the R1 was about 30% better over the R2 as far as system performance in SC2. With the new updated drivers I would say the R2 now edges the R1 about 10%. As far as slowdown, in a 2v2 around. I would say the slowdown starts when total farm in the game is about 400 (Combined players) from there it would start to slow down about 10%. I would say it would significantly drop even more further past 400 farm. My games typically end under 12 minutes and win/lose my games before I hit 80 farm myself.

    For high level competitive play, I always play on medium because any slowdown to the game ruins micro. Whether it be 1% or 10% any drop sucks.
     
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    Thank you for your help! You are the first guy that I know that owns both the R1 and R2! Awesome!
    So what do you suggest, R1 or R2? Now, since R2 works better for Starcraft 2, my whole heart is inclining towards R2. I got a psp, a ndsl, a wii and a ps3 for all other games, the only games I am gonna play on a pc is blizzard games... So for gaming I only care about the performance for SC2 now...

    Is there a level between middle and high? And is the difference between medium and high noticable on a 11" screen? I don't know if I would be able to stand a middle... After all THIS IS AN ALIENWARE. You can go for high settings all the way during campaign right?
     
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    Yeah u deffinatly Want to go with the r1 OC. On integrated you have about 7-8hrs battery life web surfing. 4 hours video playback & 2-3 Hrs intense gaming. All that i really need.



    A few Links for SC2 M11x R1

    YouTube - Starcraft II beta gameplay on M11x with chinese AI hack
    YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

    Oh almost forgot- Starcraft 2 Settings comparison

    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=7O1B0LksxzQ&feature=related

    R1 V R2 comparison

    Alienware M11x R2: A Legend Reborn - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News
     
  20. Arklight

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    he was playing 1v1 with the AI hack..

    I played 4v4 (4zv2T2P) and the R1 dragged during mid and late game. I maxed out my supply as zerg and filled the map with creep, and this is on beta phase 1, AI were all very easy. Even on low settings, that's why I got an R2. I played beta phase 2 on my R2 and it ran smooth medium/high settings.

    Another reason why I got the R2 is that I believe that It will be better during campaign. The campaign will stress the CPU more compared to Battle.net games.

    Only 4 days til launch.
    I bet many of SC2 players that owns an M11x, R1 and R2 will be posting videos online for benchmarks and stuff.
     
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    I agree with you. Although, I might be more of a noob than you, your estimate is similar to what I experienced. R1 and R2.
     
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    If you're serious about gaming, you'll sacrifice visuals for performance. I played several 3v3 matches on low settings without lag.

    Also, about Diablo III from Wikipedia:

    Should run as well as, if not better than Crysis in DX 9 (assuming Crysis is the most graphically demanding DX 9 game).
     
  23. Arklight

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    yeah. Its all about the micro.
     
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    That is very awesome... And it is a good deal...
     
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    I am pretty serious in gaming, but the gap of graphics between low and medium is somewhat unbearable to me ...
     
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    I am a campaign addict too... Might go with the R2 then, do you suffer from optimus problems now? Waiting for all the videos after release seems like a pretty good idea: ) Just hope both systems do fine.
     
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    Alright' I believe the new Command center also extended like 30m of life onto the r2s & OC'ed R1s. Whichever bargain you can mangle just make sure ur happy.

    Sure i got my m11x a week before r2 release however i coudnt be happier ;)

    Welcome to the Alien club my friend'
     
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    Thanks: ) If I am a fps addict then I would definitely go for R1, but RTS games just consume too much cpu, and some say eve the recent R2 i7 can't deal with 1v1 mass army action...
     
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    Well with 200+ units on the field for both sides on high settings, you could really only expect the quad core processors to pull through.
     
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    ^how about on medium / low settings?
     
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    Should run fine.
    Then again, I wasn't actually in the beta so I honestly am not 100% sure.
     
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    then you shouldnt even be thinking of a low-med range gaming system aka m11x. remember thou this system comes with i7 but its only a ulv, not even a full blown mobile i7, performance level will definitely have a gap. and gpu only comes as med range nvidia gt series.

    you should probably go with a desktop with the money for m11x and i am sure that will meet your requirement on the "gfx"

    look at this benchmark you get a rough idea on current GPU with SC2 base on desktop GPUs
    Starcraft II Wings of Liberty GPU graphics performance

    m11x is not meant for ppl who crave about how the game look. if low med setting is not for you then m11x is not for you period. m11x is mean for ppl who travel a lot yet need something portable yet capable of gaming. being able to run certain games at the higest settings in m11x is just a bonus.

    if you insist on a laptop for gaming over desktop then you should be looking at the elder brothers like m15x or m17x. if those are too costly for you and you want to get something capable yet reasonably priced you should consider something like Asus G73. All these are the one that "suppose" to be able to fulfill your gfx hunger yet being a serious gamer. have to be more realistic imo. m11x is not meant for the purpose you are aftering base on the hardware set up. serious gamer wont game on an 11". just my 0.2. no offense just thought this would give you a better idea for being straight rather than running in circles ;)
     
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    If it is on high but not ultra, I bet your m11x r2 can easily handle it.
     
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    Thank you! But since my budget is limited, I am not going to get a laptop for carrying around and a desktop that can master SC2, I am trying to find the sweet spot, the balance part, that is why I want m11x, since this is a gaming notebook, high settings(once again, not ultra) might not be that high at all, at least that is what I assume, and that is what I am trying to find out...
     
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    BTW, Can any m11x owner do me a favor...
    Can You Run It
    This is a website to test if your computer can run SC2 or any other games or not, since I don't have m11x, I want to know how well a m11x can do... Thanks a lot....
     
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    sorry i think one of my portion probably have you mistake what i meant. i dont mean to ask u get a desktop and m11x together. what i mean is use the money you could pay for m11x and invest them on a proper desktop. 1k can give you a pretty decent desktop that surely allow you to run SC2 at high settings.

    if you are looking for a sweet spot in the sense of getting a notebook over a desktop as an all in one device, maybe maybe Asus N82 would be a better choice for you. It's slightly cheaper than M11x while it comes with the same GPU along with a full mobile version of i7. That thing should be able to handle SC2 better than M11x. The only drawback is it doesnt support Optimus so if you want to be on battery, dont expect it to run long hours like M11x. I think its all about give and take mate. u can only choose between portability with good battery life and fairly decent gfx capability or high performance, fairly portable and not so decent battery life. At least this is at best you can find at this point of time with the current available technology. In terms of a machine that have some decent juice while on the move (battery life system performance) I think nothing beats M11x and Sony Vaio Z series. But if you really want something that perform very well there are many other choices out there depending on your budget which can outperform these 2 laptops but you will be compromise by the battery life while on the move. I hope this give you a clearer picture. Cheers :)
     
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    Thx, the N82 looks pretty nice!And you are right it is about the give and take thing, beautiful looks+portability+long battery life vs nice pricing+better performance. I am serious in gaming... but I only play starcraft 2, have you tried Can You Run It this website? It will help you test if you can run any game. The m11x r2 you got is the best one they can offer... So it will really help if you can post the results from that website here...
     
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    Of course it can run it.
    People in the beta have been telling us that it runs fine.
     
  39. bobbygao

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    That web can tell you how well you can do... whether it is slow minimum recommended or fast (4 levels). My desktop is only a little above minimum...
    Does the m11x r2 exceed the recommended level? Thank you!
    Can You Run It
     
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    Hey bobbygao,

    Here is my result from that website.

    http://img2.pict.com/56/a3/22/3839103/0/1280070538.jpg

    Keep in mind, my computers only at 1.2ghz right now. I havent turned on overclocking or turbo boost.

    My specs are core i7, 4gb ram
     
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    That web site really doesn't work anymore, because of the changes in chip architecture along with the advent of multiple core processors simply scanning a system for basic specs does not tell you how well it runs a game. For instance, that website says SC2 requires a 2.6 Ghz CPU, what it doesn't differentiate is that is a 2.6 ghz P4, a C2D will be as fast at half the speed, and a iX core will be as fast at an even lower core speed.

    Anyway, I run SC2 on the M11X on a mix of ultra/high/med settings (Ultra textures, some high effects, med shaders) and I never drop below 20 FPS even in the the largest 4v4 battles, it averages well over 45 FPS, and will be over 60 FPS in the smaller 2v2 or 1v1 matches.

    Bottom line: The M11X R1 runs SC2 perfectly fine on high settings, right now the R2 runs about 15 FPS slower, but it should improve with time as the drivers improve.
     
  42. bobbygao

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    Thank you!!! But how can you pass recommended if you didn't even pass minimum... This is so weird...
    have you checked what it is like with turbo and overclocking, a description of that moving bar would be fine!
    By the way I am going to get a i7 4gb ram and a 500G hd if all works well: ) I can't wait for the release of Starcraft 2!
     
  43. bobbygao

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    Is your m11x R1? Personally, I love both R1 and R2, matte finish+no vga+optimus+i7is only a little better than battery life+manual gpu switching...Never below 20! That is amazing! So R1 will already suffice as a mobile Starcraft machine, right?
     
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    CPU Speed
    Recommended: Dual Core 2.4 GHz Processor
    You Have: 2.99 GHz Performance Rated at: 3.588 GHz
    PASS

    RAM
    Recommended: 2 GB
    You Have: 3.0 GB
    PASS

    OS
    Recommended: Windows Vista®/Windows® 7
    You Have: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (build 7600), 64-bit
    PASS

    Video Card
    Recommended: 512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better
    You Have: GeForce 8800 GTX
    PASS
    Features: Recommended attributes of your Video Card
    Required You Have
    Video RAM 512 MB 2.0 GB
    Hardware T&L Yes Yes
    Pixel Shader version 4.0 4.0
    Vertex Shader version 4.0 4.0

    Free Disk Space
    Recommended: 12 GB available HD space
    You Have: 56.8 GB
    PASS

    honestly i doubt this is accurate. i didnt do it on my R2 but base on my 5 years old desktop i hit over mark. honestly i dun even think this rig can run smooth in ultra
     
  45. bobbygao

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    I think the m11x could even beat some recent desktops in performance...only one more day to go to see if m11x could REALLY run starcraft 2
     
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    Lets put it this way guys:

    I have a G50vt-X1 by ASUS and I can BARELY run it on HIGH settings and get above 30fps in campaign. Mind you, I have a 2.26 C2D OC'd to ~2.8 Ghz and A GTX 260m also OC'd. Multiplayer battles run A LOT better, getting constant 60FPS with a dip when there's about 100 units on screen (this is on high/ultra). Campaign is where the meat of the game is, and the M11x is NOT going to run it well with its measly processor. My laptop doesnt run it terribly well either. Heck, on some missions, even MEDIUM lags on mine, and mine is about as powerful as the R1 m15x.

    As far as multiplayer is concerned, you will run it much better than campaign, just be weary that if you want to play Single player, you will NEED to turn down shaders to MEDIUM and likely have to mod the shadows to be turned off in order to achieve an acceptable framerate while still looking better than Warcraft 3 lol...
     
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    sc2 is ok in 1 on 1 multiplayer and campaign hasn't been to bad. All settings on medium...
     
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    im running SC2 on my alienware m11xR2 and when i go to play the graphics and everything is running on low settings how can i make it run on high without it lagging?