2016 AW15R2 went to sleep and won't wake back up :-(.

Ya so now that mobile procs are coming out the gate as a BGA situation the only option for socketed is desktop procs in the laptop.

Im not against BGA but it sucks that I might lose the option for sockets etc.

 

Yup, I agree. If Clevo stops offering models with socketed desktop processors I will go back to desktops, too. I will not purchase an expensive BGA model marketed as a "gaming" or "high performance" notebook. I'd probably get something super cheap, maybe a Chromebook, for web browsing. I'm OK with BGA on super-inexpensive low-end machines, but I expect them to be disposable products and priced accordingly.

 

AMD has stated they will keep offering socketed machine. If Zen is a succes. You can be sure it wil be incorporated in laptops as well.

 

Yall are too funny...
Im grateful I dont limit myself like that.

 

Well, maybe if more people did we would not have to deal with BGA crap being the only option left for notebooks short of using a desktop CPU. Then we would all have good reason to be grateful. Ironically, from a different perspective you are actually are limiting yourself and others by accepting it. Intel wouldn't be going down that road if doing so was financially detrimental. The fact that too many people don't care or just flat out don't know any better is part of the reason we have to tolerate the lack of options.

 

I doubt it(for AMD Zen). They will show nice PowerPoint presentations and reality will crush them as with FX crap and Radeon 300 series.

 

Based on past performance this would be accurate and I am with you 100% in my skepticism about AMD. However, AMD is long overdue for showing major improvement and Intel is going the opposite direction due to lack of meaningful competition. For the first time in a very long time, the stage is set for a potential upset in ownership of the performance crown. I don't care about brand, only results. It would be to the advantage of all consumers if AMD can pull a rabbit out of their magic hat and body slam Intel (or NVIDIA for that matter). That would be a good reason for all high performance computer enthusiasts to rejoice.

 

For us performance lovers, this would actually be greater than the second coming of Christ himself.

 

Well, I don't know about that... not quite that awesome. Can't think of anything as excellent as that. But, still really great if AMD actually does something amazing. Let's hope so. Intel and NVIDIA both deserve to receive a solid head shot from AMD for their lackluster performance. Their lackadaisical approach is fine for mainstream consumer junk, but it has no place in the enthusiast arena.

 

The new Nvidia 1080 is crazy though. If those 3dmark results that I saw today are real.

http://videocardz.com/59871/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-3dmark-firestrike-and-3dmark11-performance

 

The fact that AMD moved Vega up has me very concerned that Polaris is meh at best.

 

I cannot really get excited about AMD doing anything until I see hard evidence that I need to be excited. I'd like to be excited about what they bring, but after 5 years of nothing it's kind of hard to take them seriously. I sincerely hope they give me a reason to care about them again. That would make me very happy.

No doubt... crazy numbers there. I hope they release a 1080 desktop GPU on MXM that I can use to upgrade my 980 laptop should I decide to do so. 1080 SLI desktop MXM GPUs in a laptop would be pretty darned sweet, too.

 

3dmark is useless from 11 version. It relies heavily on tessalation while games only use tessalation as part of complex visuals. Better wait for FPS tests.

 

It really depends on what you are measuring and what you find value in. For those that enjoy overclocked benching, this is really important. If playing games is the only thing a person cares about, then most benchmarks are irrelevant. As long as the gameplay is smooth and the experience is satisfying there is little point in measuring anything. You can have fun playing most games with an Alienware Alpha, and there is nothing high performance about the Alpha. It does a good job at what it was designed to do, same as a console. It's not much good for anything else, but it was never meant to be.

3DMark 11 is excellent because it severely taxes everything and getting a good score with a wimpy CPU isn't possible. Memory speed also improves the score. Fire Strike, in contrast, primarily measures GPU performance. You can get a nice, fluffy-looking overall score even if the CPU is not very strong.

 

I'd wished Futuremark had created a brand new benchmark that would pushed the whole system. Aka given much lower scores if the CPU is the weak part. Several walks away from using 3Dm11 to compete now, so a benchmark who use more of the cpu power would have been spot on.

 

Precisely why I continue to use 3dmark11 over anything else, because it is a TRUE system stresser (CPU, RAM, GPU)