260m GTX flashing thread (need some people :p )

4870's will be fine, as long as there is a single gpu per mxm slot (don't see this being a problem any time soon haha)

As for mobile gt200.....I doubt this will ever happen. they just use TOO much power. I am sure by the time transistors are small enough for this to be feasible, they will have just designed a better architecture anyway (not that that is a bad thing)

 

Not power from the PCI express but power in general .

My 2x260s in my Desktop Slurp way to much power for a laptop to ever handle .

They could shrink the die down though and drop the clocks and get it in there which i know is there plan anyhow.

 

gt200 wont work because

a. the die itself is HUGE compared to a G92 - PCB real estate is limited
b. these chips consume an amazingly high amount of power and will not be anywhere near the ~60 watt consumption envelope of current high end discrete notebook GPUs

the bandwidth isn't the issue, I am sure they would run fine as well

 

I don't see how mobile GT 200 wont work, I don't see the mobile variants being completely on par with the desktop versions, and the desktop version of the GTX 285 doesn't completely saturate x8 PCI-e 2.0, technically as long as the mobile versions don't eat more than 75W and are MXM 3.0b which they should be as I don't see Nvidia changing this standard for at least another 2 or 3 years, 2 should work in SLI at 2.0 8x each without issue.

 

Yes, but with lowered clocks and 40nm they CAN be made to fit the envelope.

PS: MXM 3.0b is 75W not 60W.

 

All in due time Crylo , its not a matter of if, its just a matter of when

 

IF in the fact they will fit or not Quad

 

I don't see why they wouldn't, we know that there are 3 more GT 200 based mobile chips in the works as we speak at 40nm, one mid range one high end, and one very high end.

 

They are in the works and they are always working on shrinking the tech . So again , will they make it into the M17x before end of life ? your guess is as good as mine man but im sure hoping so and more so because im not a huge ATI fan .

 

lol Same here, I would take Nvidia over ATI any day of the week. I can't wait to see these new GT 200 based mobile chips.

 

Yup yup I love my Nvidia.... not to say ATI doesn't make great things as well... but most games are tailored for Nvidia and it had PsyX which in fact does give gaming benefits

 

those are not gt200 based chips though - just take the name (common nvidia practice), different architecture than the desktop gt200 (note the gddr5 and 128-bit bus). I wasn't saying it is impossible, just that by the time it can happen a newer architecture will have replaced gt200 anyway, so it most likely wouldn't happen.

 

Lets face facts here . Nvidia can not survive on the G92 core forever and with ATI using there real desktop chips in the mobile sector they will destroy Nvidia very quickly. So yes Nvidia is im sure working hard on getting the tech in laptops to compete . Laptops make up what like 90 some percent of all computers sold today or something ridiculous ? Nvidia already feels threatened by ATI as it is and hence the massive pricing changes from Nvdia to compete with ATI. .

 

nvidia is making new tech, the upcoming 40nm mobile parts are all new ground for them

40nm
GDDR5
Back to the 128-bit bus (to save cost??? is this really nvidia?!)

I just don't expect to see a mobile version of the current desktop GT200 is all

 

Exactly, and that's yet another reason why we will see high end GT 200 mobile architecture, if their new high end chips end up not being GT 200 which I doubt, then they will at least be a new form of mobile architecture that is equivalent, it most certainly will not be G92 anymore.

 

That 128bit chip is not going into the hardcore laptops unless its a cheaper alternative like the 8700gt option was in the old XPS 1730.

Trust me there working on many things at one time and for us to sit here and pretend like we know for certain what Nvidia has in store is just a waste of time IMHO.

 

Crylo, the stuff I listed is all for their mobile chips. There have been no announcements about newer desktop parts (I have been watching like a hawk for them as my EVGA cards have only a month left for their 90 day step-up haha) And I absolutely 100% agree, G92 is done seeing new names.

I would not put it past nvidia to try keeping the 128-bit bus with GDDR5 (look at the Radeon HD 4770 - desktop part). It would keep cost down as well as still equal performance of GDDR3 and 256 bit bus (while using less power).

 

for the 260 graphic card, if i wanted to increase voltages, would any profile work, or only the 9800 gtx one work? Then I would have to save it as the unknown id again right?

 

That's correct. Use the 9800M GTX ID, then switch back to the unknown GTX 260M ID before you save.

 

hmm whats the benefits of increasing the voltage? Sorry to be a noob but I mean i set the voltage from 1 to 1.03 , since thats the highest value in nibitor for me. But I didn't notice any changes and increasing overclocks didnt work since i got bsod. Right now i just flashed back to my old settings.

 

increased voltage will let you OC furthur

 

Unless the chip is already at its limits at the original voltage. There is a point with silicon where regardless of how much voltage is applied, temperature will still be your limiting factor

[physics] The mobility of the carriers (read: speed of electrons that represent your electonic signal) is directly related to the temperature of the silicon as the higher the temperature, the more the nuclei will vibrate due to a higher kinetic energy (heat) and obstruct the path of the carriers, thus slowing them down (limiting the maximum "speed" of switching = frequency) [/physics]

It was pretty cool for me when I learned that in class last semester haha. All of a sudden it all made sense to me. That is why you still need extreme cooling to get the best OC regardless of voltage applied, it actually improves performance, in addition to keeping your chip alive.

 

That went way over MY head...and back again

 

when it gets hotter it reduces the cards speed

when its cooler it can go faster

 

Thank you Moo.

Haha I tried...what can I say, I'm an Electrical Engineering major (nerd)

 

Us slowpid people like the simplicity...thanks Moo

 

i understand the science behind it because my school was anal

private school science classes were college classes



when i heats up the molecules in the silicon start moving really fast and restrict the data from being transmitted through the card

when its cooler it provides a "clear path"

 

yep. spot on. I am never going to be a teacher haha

 

Well I'm a Cabinet maker....(want a cabinet made I'm your guy)

New to all this computer stuff....but I am finding it very interesting thou.

 

We are glad to teach what we can

We are all born ignorant and have to learn from there

 

Well said....and thanks

 

Plenty of smart people in the world that could never make a cabinet , so it go's both ways. .

 

you should see my table

ill stick to computers...

 

I'll stick to Counter Strike.

 

Source or 1.6 ?

if yes you and all NDR users are very wellcome to my server:

Site: www.siaofriends.com

Server adress: sf.siaofriends.com:27650

Portugal best Counter-Strike source server (by game monitor statistic's)

 

Source. I don't play 1.6 as much as I used to ever since Source came out.

I'll try to drop by your server one time. Thanks.

 

I will be waiting... ask for "Madagascar", you can talk english Admins usually understand... Bguars m8

 

Hey, I stopped reading after this became a long discussion about GPU companies and whatnot..this didn't work, right?

 

What didn't work?

 

no it did not activate the 12 sP