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    Dell ATI 8.763 (M15x/M17xR1/M17xR2) Driver/AMD 5870 VBIOS **READ POST 1 AND 2!!!!!**

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by erawneila, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. reborn2003

    reborn2003 THE CHIEF!

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    Yeh give the old drivers the heev Ho. I driver sweep them in safe mode a couple of times just to be sure then restart back into normal OS mode and install the new dell ATI 10.8 drivers with Application profiles if you wish. Then restart.

    Then your pretty much ready to flash away.

    You going to give it a go now is it Stevie?

    Cheers.
     
  2. reborn2003

    reborn2003 THE CHIEF!

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    Cool testing time again. After that Catalyst AI setting I must say my games and benches have boosted up in performance.

    Cheers.
     
  3. steviejones133

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    Well, I would but its Bank Holiday Monday over here in the UK and as its nice weather, im gonna go outside (instead of sitting here dementing myself lol) and have a nice cold beer in the garden......gotta make the best of the good weather over here so i may well try 'em later on tonight...will post bakc with any findings/results if i get around to it.

    Oh, and thanks guys for the help, really appreciated.! :D
     
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    A little OT, I guess, but Batboy wanted me to post here. How are the 10.8a Crossfire profiles doing for game performance? I wanted to test 'em out to see if they improve anything, but I thought I would check to see if anyone else has first. :)
     
  5. BatBoy

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    FYI to all - any further trolling/firestarting/purposeless inflammatory type posts will be removed.
     
  6. Tidyu

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    What is the best way to reinstall the dell beta drivers with vbios flashed. I try to uninstall and i just get blue screen and windows has to revert back to a previous setting. I am a bit worried i have old drivers conflicting with the newly installed dell beta and would like to uninstall clean reinstall etc.
     
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    In this state, the only way you are able to install drivers, is to have the computer run in vga mode, so uninstall catalyst, start in safe mode uninstall drivers via device manager for both cards, reboot windows in vga mode, install catalyst drivers again, the proper way would be fresh windows install, where when you uninstall catalyst, it will revert to default vga drivers without any other drivers before.
     
  8. Tidyu

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    Very helpful, thank you. Fresh install it is!
     
  9. lordqarlyn

    lordqarlyn Global Biz Consultant

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    I too was nervous about flashing, after all, I'm in a remote desert site in Iraq, and I am looking at a minimum of 8 weeks turnaround to replace my system. Even if the old config was not optimal for gaming, it was still hecka productive machine for other stuff.

    But it turns out it was a totally painless process. And has been so totally worth it!!!
     
  10. Gflyer1

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    Vbios+10.8 = sleep issue fixed. :)


    Very smooth too. About time they finally addressed this issue.

    BTW, i suggest flashing in dos mode.
     
  11. Grimfan

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    Glad it worked out for you, enjoy your fully functional windows (again) along great gaming performance :)

    Hope this will comfort Stevie aswell now, i mean, he's in the dessert, man, come on :D

    Woohoo, another happy customer, fine, fine... Today is a fine day :D

    Yeah, of course DOS is the savest mode to flash the vbios, they should probably set the ATIWinFlasher, if it fails, to repeat the flashing again, until it is verified and cannot be flashed over anymore. And give some more OnScreen info out, like: Close all Programs before flashing or other warnings that might be important.

    My suggestion for you Brian, if you still follow ;) (Or should i suggest such things via PM?)
     
  12. Joebarchuck

    Joebarchuck Notebook Virtuoso

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    When you say vbios + 10.8 do you mean vbios + latest dell drivers based on 10.8 or the actual catalyst drivers 10.8 downloaded from AMD website?
     
  13. BatBoy

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    that is a a very good point Joe. Need to start referencing the dell driver as it is labeled by Dell - 8.763.
     
  14. 5150Joker

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    Yeah you're just having tear issues related to vsync, that's normal. The flickering I was referring to was an issue with the stock dell drivers that the newest ATi drivers solved for most games. It looked more like slow horizontal lines going up the screen. What you're describing is just tearing due to the card rendering frames out of sync. The triple buffering option in CCC only applies to OpenGL. Most games now are D3D so you will need RadeonPro to apply triple buffering + vsync to the D3D games. For whatever, reason, that support isn't directly built into CCC by AMD.
     
  15. steviejones133

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    Ahhhh...thats answers one of my earlier queries....i thought triple buffering in ccc was just the same....thanks for clarifying that one...so , i need to d/l radeonpro if i wanna use this huh?
     
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    If you want triple buffering for D3D games then you will need RadeonPro. I recommend downloading it even if you don't, it's a very nice and useful program for making profiles for each game. Plus you know how when you play Mafia II and the screen goes dim after exiting? Well with RadeonPro, if you set the "disable aero" checkbox, that no longer occurs. Just one of those little great features this program has. For reference, here's a thread I made on the subject a while back: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...ool-application-utility-ati-radeon-cards.html
     
  17. YesImMad

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    Update order was drivers, vbios, system bios. I triple-checked and there were no reports about issues in the order of the updates other than making it a bit difficult on yourself i you updated the vbios w/o doing the drivers first. End results are supposed to be the same. Vbios flash worked the first time, GPUZ appears to be reporting accurate & current info.

    Pertinent system info is M17x R2, 4gig mem, single 5870, RGB LED Screen + external Dell monitor.

    To make matters more confusing, it's not consistent. Woke up this morning (me, not the machine) and the machine is working fine, no lockup or issues. /facepalm.

    I'll report back if I can figure out when it is and is not occurring.

    Thanks.
     
  18. steviejones133

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    Thanks Joker...rep for you ... (god knows where i'd be without this guy's advice...thank you so much!)
     
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    Ah, that's good to know, i never cared so far about this feature hehe, glad to know that it stops this annoying bug. (And confirmed :D)

    I think i will just set V.Sync ingame and play it like that, i should really start enjoying those things without looking at fps, where tearing is occuring in the nvidia and 2kczech intro (which run over 120fps, video) and flickering while loading the benchmark (~90fps, still image).
     
  20. edef22

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    plz helpme out


    sorry for ask, but i'm worried. i flash vbios with windows mode.. my gpu-z don't run to check the vbios flash correctly it says:

    culd not install driver : the especidfied service is marked for deletion..

    and then a secon error:

    could not stop driver: the service cannot acept control messages at this time..

    i cant check the vbios version ... and when i try to flash again the vbios it says

    adapter 0
    flash already programed

    adapter 1
    flash already programed

    so.. what can i do?
    restart? how can i check the vbios version?
    plz help.
     
  21. alexnvidia

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    if it says it's flashed for both cards, then you are good to go. my first flash attempt failed too, but i did it again and it worked the second time. dont think there's much to worry about
     
  22. edef22

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    im worried cuse cant run gpu-z to be really sure ..
    and don't know any other way to know the vbios version... and grimfan say i can run gpu-z with any trouble ..

    i'm nervous >.< and hesitate to restart ..
     
  23. Grimfan

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    I said exactly the opposite, don't have anything running while flashing! Look in your systemtray or use task manager and make sure that you closed GPU-Z.

    Also the picture looks wrong, check my Pictures on page 33. Yours looks wrong.

    Edit: Uhm Dude, that is a HD 58 50 Not a HD 58 70 o_O. No good!
     
  24. steviejones133

    steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    If you check Grimfan's post on page 33 of this thread, it will show you how things should look after flashing.....from what yo have said about having the success messages, i would "guess" that the flash of your vbios was good to go.....if it wasnt, it wouldnt show as successful - but better get some advice from an expert before you restart.
     
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    It's too bad some people don't read the carefully collected information carefully enough. Well i guess that is Minus 1 M15x user, at the moment o_O

    Well maybe we get to know now, what happens if someone flashes a HD5850 with a HD5870 VBIOS :)

    PS: I could swear the first thing noted, is that it's for the HD5870 only, in bold even, i'm sure.
     
  26. steviejones133

    steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    EEEEKKKK!!! - i didnt see that he had a 5850...just presumed he had 5870.....thats gotta hurt.....ouch! :eek: - this is one of the reasons i like to be 100% sure of how to go about doing things on my £3k laptop before screwing it up......after all, it only takes a bit of reading and some good advice......i must say, im feelin' for that guy round about now....im sure he thought he was doing the right thing otherwise he wouldnt have tried....but, as they say, "its better to measure twice and then cut once" .... (thats the capenter in me comin' out LOL)
     
  27. Grimfan

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    Awwww too bad, well i couldn't see that comming either, i think we would have never presumed, that someone did not understand that 5850 and 5870 is just not the same... (I think there was even a ONLY)

    As i always tend to say, never mess with something you didn't clearly research about it or the other thing, like NIKE used to say, Just do it!
     
  28. steviejones133

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    Grim...any way back for that poor dude or has he totally knackered things up?
     
  29. Grimfan

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    I don't know... o_O

    No human being was ever so mad to try such unthinkable thing so far i think on earth, heck, he might be even the first one in the whole universe to mess with the aliens... No seriously... I think he has to call Dell tomorrow to replace his card.

    Edit: Just noticed, his post mentions 2 adapters as already flashed? Did it flash something at all, he might be lucky... But all those 00000 in the vbios version doesn't look right though. I hope it didn't work and there is actually something integrated in the Installer, that blocks that. It should not be possible.
     
  30. edef22

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    no no no. the picture i quote is the same in page 33.. didn't notice is a 5850..

    i have a m17xR2 with 5870 CF
    close all apps
    flash the vbios ...

    and when i finish the lap don't letme run gpu-z to see the vbios version like the pic in page 33...

    and when i try to flash again to make sure it says already programed...

    im worried cuse cant run gpu-z... to really be sure ... redo the flashh and only says already program..
     
  31. Grimfan

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    Ah weee alright, that is normal. You have to reboot first. Everything will be good :D You said Both adapters are already flashed. Should work, do you trust me? ^^

    GPU-Z is not working correctly until you reboot your system. Oh, that picture totally irritated me o_O
     
  32. edef22

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    yes...
    i hope my next post don't read

    i brick my 5870 >.< and send to dell for rep..
     
  33. steviejones133

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    If you have 5870 then why does it say 5850 in gpu-z on your screenshot? - talk about how to confuse people :rolleyes:
     
  34. Grimfan

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    He quoted someone else from earlier i think, insteed referring to my picture :D

    I do hope he's on 8.763 tho, if not he will BSOD o_O

    Edit: Really, where did you get this picture from, that is totally confusing me... It's not on Page 33...
     
  35. dirtydan

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    how long does the flash take to complete? mine is taking along time.
     
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    Maybe 30 seconds...
     
  37. steviejones133

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    Grim, the vbios number in his screenshot isnt the same as yours on p33 so maybe he just got that from someone who updated to the latest dell drivers without the 5870 vbios? - i take it once 5870's are flashed with the beta vbios, they show the same number as your screenshot? - i take it that is vbios and NOT bios as its shown in gpu-z?
     
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    1. Question: It's from Page 35, where already someone asked if this is correct with the beta drivers installed. I don't think he flashed his 5850's asking with this picture. Correct Stevie, looks like the original 5850 VBIOS with Beta Drivers installed.

    2. Question: Yes, exactly the same. (With beta Drivers that is of course :D) Good Job on the Interpretation.

    3. Question: Also this is correct.

    I give you a +rep for that :D

    Update: Prove for Original HD5850 VBIOS added, taken from someone in the M15x forum.
     
  39. dirtydan

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    cool thanks for the reply. flashed it with out a problem , rebooted and its working lol now im gonna test this out.
     
  40. edef22

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    lol yes wrong quote >.< sorry

    im exited when i try to flash

    the flash process is not that bad.. just i was confused cuse cant run the gpu-z

    and when try to post quoted wrong page and post.. sorry for the confusion..

    my flash process was without a problem .. (and yes i don't brick my card =P)

    ty for the support and ur post...
     
  41. Grimfan

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    I can assure you, that when you have 2 HD5870 and the flasher tells you both adapters are flashed already, and you are sure that you installed the BETA Video Drivers before, there is no need to worry anymore, now go, make yourself happy and reboot, please :D

    Edit: Alright, good job, now i can sleep well for today, i hope i won't have weird dreams now hehe Oh well, some are nice *drool*
     
  42. edef22

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    already reboot..

    ty .. the 1 can sleep well today it was me.. if a noob like can flash and install the beta drivers and beta vbios. i think all can do this install/flash

    ty god for this forums and all the good plp out there helping all of us with our problems..
     
  43. Ashtefere

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    Whew, back from vacation.

    And... lotta posts!

    Took half an hour to read all this!

    Yeah, so from the looks of things stock ATI driver 10.8 with 10.8a cap profiles and radeonpro is the way to go?

    -Ash
     
  44. steviejones133

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    Hey, im just as much of a noob as you and i guess its easy to make mistakes (as i have done many times lol) but im glad you are back up and running....another success story in the making by the sounds of it.....

    Im gonna sleep well too now......you were giving me nightmares for a minute lol
     
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    steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    So are we saying that Dell drivers are the way to go over and above ati's own drivers with the beta vbios? - are these the best choice in terms of driver to go with the vbios? - damn, i said i was gonna go to bed LOL
     
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    I still can't say Dell Beta's do correct AA and AF in CCC. For me the ATI/AMD reference Drivers were performing much better with App Profiles installed anyway. Also i couldn't reproduce RadeonPro settings correctly enabled in the Beta Drivers. If everything is set to apllication controlled, you won't even notice that much without fps counter and GPU-Z and doing some benches. They both perform accordingly. And no Windows Issues on any of the two drivers.

    edit: Oops me too, See you later, if you have any question you don't want to ask public, feel free to contact me via PM, as it's easier to reply when i'm at work during the day aswell (ty iphone xD). Cheers and Good Night!
     
  47. steviejones133

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    Good info there again Grim - have you tried Metro 2033? - just wondering as its a dx11 game that i own...
     
  48. flynnaz

    flynnaz I am a Night Elf Mohawk!

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    Grim,
    sorry, I can't keep up with all the posts, where are you at now with your basic setup?
    These is my current setup
    BIOS A07
    Beta VBIOS from Brian
    Dell ATI 8.763 (beta)
    10.8a CAP Profiles
    This is what I am running with no problems;
    SC2
    Counter Strike Source (Steam)
    COD4
    WOW
    WOW Beta :)
    EQ2 Extended
    L4D 1and2

    Chrome (better than Fire Fox at the moment) :) just had to add that.
     
  49. erawneila

    erawneila Company Representative

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    FYI - we've sent a beta VBIOS for the 5850 (M15x only) to a select few customers, so this may be why there is some confusion. Obviously, DO NOT try to flash a 5850 with the 5870 VBIOS.

    Please don't email me asking for the 5850 VBIOS if you have an M15x - this is a very small beta at this time. We'll hopefully post online soon enough.
     
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    The OpenGL problem still exists, which at this point, is really not a surprise to me. Again, I was able to fix it with the work around, by using the 10.4 OGL DLL, but his is really getting old. Seriously ATI, you are aware that OpenGL games (read: Older games such as Call of Duty 1 & 2 along with United Offensive, and several of the older Star Wars games) have not worked since 10.5 and beyond, but you still do nothing to reoslve the issue. Since I have all of my games working to my satisfaction, now, this will probably be the last video driver update I perform, unless i hear that ATI has resolved the OGL issues. If it worked at 10.4, why is it so hard to continue to make it work with all subsequent releases?

    This has nothing to do with these being Dell cards, but is strictly an ATI issue, as it is also discussed in their own forums.
     
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