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    Did anyone pinpoint the reason as to the m15x lack of performance in Crysis?

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Rebmik, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. Rebmik

    Rebmik Notebook Evangelist

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    Does your fps drop below 20 in 1480?
     
  2. Heathkidd

    Heathkidd M860TU

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    "no probs" does not = good fps

    have u finished the hole game?... people are reporting the FPS dropping to unplayable on the m15x on some maps so bad that they had to get new save games to skip parts..

    the fact that the Alienware requires alienware modified drivers is what the prob is... the sager can use all nvidia/laptop modified ones with out all the stealthmode/etc junk added in.

    unless some one can get the m15x running at 10 or more fps to be = to the sager im going with the bigger and cheaper 17inch sager + i like orange ^_^
     
  3. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

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    This seems to be a realistic benchmark (despite Chaz having the X9000 CPU; it shouldn't have a big effect on the results).
     
  4. Bo@LynboTech

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    well the FPS on nauticus' screenshots (taking into account the 2-3fps drop on a screengrab) is mid 20's to mid 30's
    on the video on youtube very short displays of the game running mid-20's and of course half that in stealth, seems to make sense, he only shows one of the levels and not the same bits nautucus is playing.

    there doesnt seem to be THAT much difference, or am I missing something here?
     
  5. shamneo

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    could the low frame rates be caused by fraps? cause i heard him say he was checking to see if his fraps was on. if i'm not mistaken, fraps is for recording the gameplay right? and also, don't fraps lower the playability of a game?

    so, could this be the reason?
     
  6. the.s.a.i.n.t

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    Fraps shouldn't influence your FPS.

    To verify the problem there need to be several test results with the identical graphic settings (even one different setting could be the reason for a difference in the framerate), the same OS, the same version of the game (as several people have the patch 1.1 and/or mods installed) and the same driver version. In addition a different cpu may also have a slight influence on the framerate (even if Crysis is GPU-limited).


    saint
     
  7. newfiejudd

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    Been playing Crysis in DX9 and DX10(very High settigs at native RES 1440x900)
    I can steadily keep in the 20-30 FPS sometmes over 30 but not very often. DX9 still gives me the most stable frame rate.
    Once we get this driver issue resolved I am sure we will see an increase in the FPS. Right now we are stuck using the 165.77 driver set from AW. No other Nvidia Drivers will install and allow you to play at the max GPU settings.

    We have another thread started on this issue. And yes GRb and Myself have walked through a couple of scenarios, and it so far seems to be his GPU only. As My gpu can reach 88 and still keep full speeds. Hopefully GRB you get the issue ressolved. Too bad theyjust wouldn't send you a new GPU and reinstall it yourself.
     
  8. the.s.a.i.n.t

    the.s.a.i.n.t Notebook Consultant

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    how is it possible that you have to use the AW drivers? How could AW technically restrict using the common drivers? Changed Firmware on the 8800GTX or limitations by the chipset of the m15?


    saint
     
  9. shamneo

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    hmmm.. if fraps doesn't influence the FPS, i guess an identical test is the way to go. i ordered the same exact cpu as the guy in the video (except i'm getting the 4GB RAM.) so, i'll try the test with the same settings. should be in about 3 weeks, i hope..
     
  10. Bo@LynboTech

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    custom driver set (inf files mainly we think) all to do with supporting the stealth mode, which I dont think the notebook really needs considering the option of rebooting using the x3100 graphics card :)
     
  11. newfiejudd

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    That's what we are trying to figure out. It seems with any modded INF of any driver from Laptopvideo2go.com the GPU will stays in Stealth mode.

    BOHF1971 I couldn't agree more with you on that.
    For Sh%% and Giggles the other night I put the system in intergrated FN + F7 and in stealth mode. And got over 3:23 of battery life. Timed it while surfing the net and watching some You tube videos.
     
  12. Bo@LynboTech

    Bo@LynboTech Company Representative

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    that is amazing I never got more than 2 hours out of my Acer
    thats great to know if I ever end up flashing my bling on the train :)
     
  13. the.s.a.i.n.t

    the.s.a.i.n.t Notebook Consultant

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    there's a tool called NiBiTor which can read the bios-settings of Nvidia graphic cards: *download*
    *manual / guide*

    So when somebody could compare the bios of a Sager-8800 with that of a m15-8800 there might be a clue...


    saint
     
  14. GRB

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    When I try loading the BIOS of mine nothing happens (In the Read BIOS->Select Device menu I can choose my card and click OK, but then nothing happens)

    edit: nvm, you have to then do the Read into File command and open the saved file.
     
  15. newfiejudd

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    Hey GRB that may be an issue wih your system aswell. Maybe it has a bad BIOS flash on the GPU.

    It would be risky but you could try NVflash and try reflashing your bios with another 8800 gtx bios. On my M90 and XPS m1710, there was a guy who figured out how to unlcok the GPU with a bios flash on the GPU. I reflashed both GPU and never had any issues at all. Got an extra 115 mhz out of my core.
     
  16. the.s.a.i.n.t

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    I wouldn't try this as it could happen that AW claims you are responsible for the damage (meaning you damaged the card in the first place by flashing it) and refuses to repair your graphic card...

    Simply wait till they repair your m15 :)
     
  17. GRB

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    nah nah it's alright, I got it now.

    however, from my point of view, it doesn't seem like there's much you can change. It wouldn't help me with my problem, at least
     
  18. kobe

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    I wouldn't recommend messing with the video bios since it would void your warranty.
    Just let Alienware techs take care of your computer while you still have your warranty.
     
  19. GRB

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    yep, I was never intending to flash my BIOS or do anything like that, I was just curious if I could see what settings there were and what things were set at (and, as I said, they don't really point to a possible cause of my issue -- critical overheating temp, for example, is set to 105 degrees)
     
  20. GRB

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    btw, just as a side question, is it impossible to flash the BIOS when you're in Windows? NiBiTor can read the BIOS without having to restart in DOS mode, but can it flash the BIOS this way too?
     
  21. the.s.a.i.n.t

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    as far as I know you can create a modified Bios-file with Nibitor but in order to flash it you would need nvflash (available on the same website) and flash it from cd/floppy.


    saint
     
  22. GRB

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    ok, thanks
     
  23. Sir Travis D

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    grb change ur sig back to vertical it looked better then
     
  24. GRB

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    I was told by a mod to cut it down as it violated forum rules (only 4 lines max at regular size)
     
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    Overheating is definitely not a problem...I hope that it isn't anything wrong with the hardware. That doesn't sound good at all.
     
  26. GRB

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    that's what I/we've pretty much narrowed it down to: a faulty card or some BIOS setting (but a setting somewhere that's out of our reach)
     
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    The framerate dropped to the lowest, around, 35fps, but, that time was limited, throughout I was getting at least 55fps. I honestly could not notice the lag, therefore, not giving me any problems = aiming issues. And yes I have finished the game, When the jungle freezes over thats when you get the framerate issues, but like I said, it does not affect the gameplay, for me at least.
     
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    You are one of the lucky ones.
     
  29. the.s.a.i.n.t

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    which settings did you use and which version of the game (unpatched / 1.1)?
     
  30. Heathkidd

    Heathkidd M860TU

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    utter bull****...im sorry but "55fps at least in crysis 35 at worst"?////have u even played crysis on a G92 core even on the more powerfull dekstop g92 you wont experience that on high. at a respectable resolution.

    are you playing it on low or medium or some thing??? we are talking about it on all high settings... you would be lucky to get 40 in on high and thats looking into the sky...

    my prediction is the 8800mGTX in the alienware is underclocked via the stock drivers/bios?? thus explaining the performance mode setting of a 8% overclock some thing not seen in the 8800m in the sager as far as reports from this forum show... possibly even running at a lower voltage even on non stealth mode?

    regardless all too iffy for me and will be some thing that will have to be answered by a clued up user who has a deep look rather than a alienware rep..
     
  31. Absinthe42

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    Nope no bull****, After installing the patch, it is actually running GREAT in 1080p. I am not lying.
     
  32. GRB

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    yeah but didn't you say you were running with medium shadows & shaders or somethin, not all high settings?
     
  33. Lethal Lottery

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    i cant wait to test crysis ;)
     
  34. Absinthe42

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    all settings are very high except for, shaders, physics, particle, those are all on high. The video I am trying to upload shows me playing in 1080p, Seriously it is glorious.
    Oh and does anyone know how I can play my games without using the disc.
    I dont want to haul around a bunch of cd's, and If I am playing it would be nice to put in a smart bay battery while I am playing.
     
  35. Lethal Lottery

    Lethal Lottery Notebook Betrayer

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    there are no cd "cracks" on the internet but i think there illegal. and it does not make much sense to do some like that after you went threw the trouble of buying the game.
     
  36. Lethal Lottery

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    oh and i cant wait to see this
     
  37. shamneo

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    yeah, you need to download the crack of the games and paste it over the original .exe of the games in the program files.

    @alienware/user - well, carrying around a bunch of cds can be a pain. atleast he bought the original games first and then gets the cracks for them. so.. i think that's morally ok. :)
     
  38. daveh98

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    1080p all high and very high and nothing under 30FPS this guy is claiming??! Desktops can't even pull that off. BS on this. You either don't know that you are playing at 8fps or you are not being truthful with the settings. NO ONE is playing crysis at 1080P with a single GPU high and very high not dipping under 30 FPS...no one.
     
  39. Absinthe42

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    You cant just make an iso out of the disc, then mount it to daemon tools???
    I own the game, so I am just making it easier to transport them.
     
  40. nttg

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    How come you play such high/very high settings, while other are struggling on getting playable on high?

    And what do you mean with 1080? 1280x1080?
     
  41. Raziel66

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    you could do that as well. the cracks are easier though.
     
  42. Absinthe42

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    Do I need a specific type of crack?? I dont understand. I thought the iso would be easier.
     
  43. Raziel66

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    If you google "xx(name of game) no cd crack" you should get links to download a new version of the .exe file. Overwrite your old one and then start it up like normal without the cd. That's it. No mounting or copies needed.
     
  44. naticus

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    go to gamecopyworld.com
    click pc games
    click "c" for crysis

    then on the page for different types of files you are looking for
     
  45. Rebmik

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    heh yea - sorry abs.. you're not getting 30-55fps in crysis with one gpu. Especially not high resolutions with everything on high. Even the Sager drops below 30 FPS.
     
  46. Absinthe42

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    you can say whatever you want but it IS running at high fps at those settings, I have been playing it, There are drop offs, but they are rare, and only last a few seconds.
     
  47. Absinthe42

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    I dont mean to sound stupid but what folder is the original .exe file located in
     
  48. Absinthe42

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    Thank you, now i dont have to carry around all those stupid cd's
     
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    Hey guys. I just want to warn you. We aren't allowed to discuss anything illegal on these forums. I know that No-Cd cracks aren't illegal, but some people consider them to be because they can be used the wrong way.. Just want to say something before a grumpy admin comes in and bans you guys.
     
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    I wanted to tell you that I was wrong, Crysis is only garnishing me around 30fps, But it is sooo smooth, I could not even notice.
     
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