For the first time since May of 2007 I am without an Alienware Laptop!

I sold three Alienware laptops over the past 2+ months. Oh and my RazerBlade 14" as well. I did purchase a new gaming laptop from Origin PC and it runs games incredibly fast and beautifully. However I am still going through withdrawal. I do have an Alienware desktop, my Area 51 Triad which is freaking awesome, but still...
So my question is should I purchase an Alienware 17 r3 and sell my Origin EON 17-X or should I wait for Alienware's next offering? What to do, lol, first world problems eh

 

Get a clevo

 

Or you can stick with a soldered cheapo machine

Your choice

 

Why would you sell a clearly superior desktop grade product for weaker BGA performance restricted notebook?
By the way the origin EON17-X is a Clevo(P770DM)

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That Eon-17X is a Clevo.

 

oh yeah, albeit a very expensive one

 

Have you eaten something you can not tolerate? This is madness. Dellienware is death ... DEATH, killed by ignorant fools/Morons who will deliver much more money for its shareholders and less to customers who buy their CrapBooKs. Less ram slots, less ssd slots, Low end cooling aka worse Cooling(shared pipes duo slimmer Applethin design), No G-sync, Crippled performance and the top of the cake... Everything soldered on the morherboard. In short a new BGA KING but with worse performance than other similar cheaper TurdBooks. You are CRAZY!!

 

Dude you state this everytime based on 2 reviews while all other users report otherwise on this forum after freshly installed laptops. All 980M BGA machines perform within 2% of eachother....

If I do the same your machine is a throttle monster...Because it did throttle in NBC reviews. But users here also do not report these problems.

 

If you accept the new Alienware line up for what they are and have expectations set in place, then you will find they are utterly superb machines. Whilst I certainly wouldn't splash out on purchasing the absolute top of the line, I do advise looking for a refurbished system with a 3 year warranty package and just enjoy.
I'm actually running a Gtx 980m with only a 180W power supply and are finding gaming at 1080p with everything on Ultra to be ideal.

 

I have seen more reviews of recent rebadged AWBooks than this(2 - 3 days before and also earlier). Next time I will hide those links and post them in the forum with your TAG!!

 

Read > INSTALL WINDOWS FRESH WITH FRESH DRIVERS


and all runs fine

All reviews used all outdated drivers.

Add the prema video bios and yuget a few hundred points extra for free. Also they arent rebadged machines. I dont get it why you say it everytime. The motherboards are totally different. The outside looks the same but the inside has different mounting holes.

 

<All reviews use all outdated drivers...> ALSO ON OTHER BGABooKS THEY HAVE in FOR TESTING!!! And every time the same results!!

 

Not really i saw ton of times that they used newer drivers for with example the acer.

 

You of all people should know that newer drivers does not necessarily mean better performance in bench tests...
This is confirmed by others who overclock heavy their hardware. But maybe you have not seen all threads about Nvidia drivers and little or no improvement in bench performance.

Edit: See example http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-G751JY-G-Sync-Notebook-Review.146086.0.html Asus use an older Nvidia driver (348.00) than any AWBooK. But still give a better bench result, even with the old crippled Haswell i7-4XXX BGA.

 

I got almost a 1000point jump from doing a fresh windows install and using the latest drivers combined. The drivers installed in the standard dell image is more than a year old. There isnt much performance difference between for example drivers from now and 3 months ago. Simply because they are fully adapted to Maxwell now. But 1 year ago this was not yet the case.

 

See AsusBook review ↑↑↑. Test review 07/07/2015. Aka use of old drivers and the tests is old, but still a approved bench results today.
So the drivers installed in the standard dell image for their rebadged Skylake models is more than a year old? That Dell prefer to use old driver image for Skylake is scary. This is what we all call very good quality control. Maybe the next rebadged AW models also will use the same driver image?

 

What does driver version have to do with quality control....

Rebadged: same product with a new name.

 

It is you who say that Dell use over 1 year old driver image for latest models. If this is true ... I will call this a breakdown in their quality control!!

 

Why do the haters come on this forum...oh yeah because nobody frequents the Clevo forums
Why would I care if it is BGA? I have owned 11 Alienware laptops and the only item I have ever upgraded is the RAM!! Oh and as to being too expensive, well obviously if I purchased a $2,800 machine then it ain't to expensive. Stop hating and start loving as it is a lot more FUN

 

Oh yeah. We have a lot of fun http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/
And not so fun if you need to change 4-5 motherboard before you have a working laptop duo BGA http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-15-r1-cpu-issue-warning.788446/ Especially if you are out of warranty.

 

to each his own . Anyways ignoring BGA vs LGA arguments, the current Alienware 17 R3 has very little going for it. Even the "BGA" MSI GT72 offers a better package. The only true advantage is its amazingly high battery life for light usage. But this is achieved through optimus which doesn't support G-SYNC and VR at the moment, of course you can use the graphics amplifier, but you already have an Area 51.... . Also to be considered the limited RAM expansion(32GB, competition gives 64). Considering the above, I don't see the point in trading in your EON17-X for a current gen alienware, except if you desperately need the non-gaming battery life . Overclocking your 980m/upgrading to pascal(when MXM cards are out that is) will even make your EON17-X VR Ready.

 

To give a fair chance to alienware , I would recommend you wait for alienware on their next beast. Let's not jump to conclusion on the bash like everyone is doing to alienware. I too am waiting for their next model.

Edited: And as usual AW will be late to the game. Their AW18 is two years old and their new mothership will arrive soon.

 

There is a good chance the brand is going to shut down. Internal birdies say, they are in purge mode.

 

At this point, if this is the path they are going to continue on, I would almost prefer that they do. At this point, they are doing nothing more than destroying a brand that used to be legendary. One BGA machine at a time....

Off topic: For those of you that watch the TV show Castle, the current path of Alienware reminds me of the current status of Castle. The geniuses at ABC decided to fire the female lead, only so they can come back for a season 9 consisting of 13 episodes. Instead of ending the show now, and preserving the dignity of the show, they are going to potentially tarnish the show by dragging it through the mud, and destroy what is left of my favorite TV show.

 

Blood Hawk, Where is your proof man? Links please...

 

There you go buddy :

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=812&lang=en <- G-Sync
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=808&lang=en <- Non G-Sync



Proof enough? Also enough with the attitude, sorry i even posted here. Some people just dont want to listen. Peace out.

 

AcerBook Predator have almost same high battery life for idle usage to a better price!! Even better battery life with load on the hardware than AWbooK.

Aw18 "Viking" was in sale from early 2013!!

 

That's even better, within those time and now , I'm sure they were/are working on their next mothership of the AW 18.

 

@bloodhawk I think Blazertrek50 was referring to your 2nd comment when he asked for proof

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If Dell will create a new Aw18. It will most likely be as crippled as the previous model. Power limit on the motherboard / or in firmware. + A locked bios that can't be modified duo Dell's love for Secure boot like previous model. Is this an option? NO!!

 

It won't be a new or refresh AW 18 , just their next 18". I am hoping something good is coming on their next model.

 

Either ways bud, i have seen a lot of people like this, who dont want to even try to listen. I had nothing against AW 2-3 years back, heck my first ever post on this forum was because i wanted to buy an Alienware, but ended up getting a 12 core desktop instead. But these past years, the issues have been way too much to deal with. parts failures i can understand, every brand has that, but inherent BIOS bugs? Dell refusing to even consider fixing it? And just RMA'ing the laptop again and again for months, for people like me that would mean at least $5000-$10000 lost over every 20 days the laptop is in for RMA.
Im not saying no other brand will have issues, heck my GTX980 crapped out 2 weeks back, but i was still able to use my system with my friends 980M, and my re seller arranged a brand new one for me in under 7 days. Alienware isnt the problem here, its DELL. With the way DELL is handling things, Alienware services are not even close to what they used to be. Their assembly and RMA times were amazing back in the day, when it was a separate company.

 

Don't look for anything special to come from Alienware in the future. I've sold my M18xR1 and M18xR2 and find the Panther and Sky X9 totally annihilate anything they have offered. Welcome to Clevo-land... enjoy the awesomeness. The grass is much greener on this side of the fence and I'm never looking back. They would have to do something ridiculously amazing to win me back, and that won't include anything with BGA CPU or GPU.

The 17 R3 is an outright joke compared to the Clevo you purchased from Origin. What you have from Origin right now is a...


...grab a @Prema vBIOS and sBIOS (once the public versions are offered) and you'll be all set with the best laptop the industry offers today. Alienware offers nothing comparable.

 

It does not help if a new AW comes with full socket hardware, if the bios is still as locked with Dell's preferred Secure boot as before. What helps socket hardware if you can't overclock just the way you want? And You have to use Dell's useless Oc profiles in bios.

 

bloodhawk, I was talking about your statement on Alienware being shut down.

 

Lol there is no next 18. It's all about amplifier now.

 

Oh I listen, bloodhawk. I just am not interested in the same things that you are. I could give a rip about the BIOS as it has never given me a problem in my 20 something purchases from Dell/Alienware. I do check out multiple reviews on YouTube by experienced reviewers and the majority of them love the new Alienware machines. I really like my EON17-X but the Alienware is so much sharper looking in my opinion. That is what it comes down to for me, as long as the machines I purchase can play the games I play, well, and as long as they allow me to use MS Office for my profession, I am happy. Oh yes and as long as I think they are cool to look at, then I will most likely buy them. I don't think the Clevo frame is cool/sharp whatever to look at. I like the lights/software that Alienware and Razer provide, that is important to me. Whereas you are more interested in the BIOS and overclocking, I am not. Though I did get my Origin laptop O/C'd just for the heck of it. Don't get me wrong as I do appreciate your knowledge and your input, I just don't place value on the same things you do in the laptop-purchase field .

 

How many times must I show this?

 

I have decided to wait, for now, though I am tempted to buy the new Razer Blade 14" 2016 later this month

 

Cant tell you the source, but its from an Alineware RnD employee.
Believe me or don't, upto you. But for now spending money on a new AW is not the best choice.

 

If the Area-51 gets an update with Broadwell-E and GTX 1080, then I definitely won't be believing you.

Then again, they've have never ending issues with their BGA crapbooks.

 

I've not heard anything about this yet, but I am surprised it has not already happened. I'm somewhat surprised they have lasted this long. There is already almost no difference in specs between the best Alienware and a BGA XPS turdbook. At least the XPS is thinner. At least with the XPS you can lower the bar on your expectations and not be as disappointed... and, because it's "just a Dell" you don't (or shouldn't) expect nearly as much from it. Since they have lost all of their mojo (and cajones) I suspect the Alienware product line is a nuisance and a liability to Dell. It certainly seems like they are not trying very hard any more.

If a person is going to use a desktop GPU as a crutch to tether their notebook to a desk and call it something special, imagine how much better a P870DM-G would handle the eGPU using the Thunderbolt 3 port. Then you would have a monster on the go, or an honest to goodnees desktop on the desktop, instead of a compromised turdbook that does a mediocre job of both.

I did not quote the full post because you are free to have your own personal preferences. Far be it from me to say what you should or should not like. I quoted only the part that I want to comment on. Be careful with "professional" reviews. You can expect shills to say the right things to keep the hardware coming, and most of them are wannabe performance enthusiasts. If you only value them for pictures and stuff like that, then they are fine. Otherwise, prepare yourself for lies, erratum and misleading information. There are not many honest reviewers out there with lots of experience that are willing to call a spade a spade and lambaste an OEM for selling trash. If they did, some of the OEMs would stop sending them junk to review because they only want sunshine and roses, cotton candy and unicorns to be published.

And, a large number of those professional reviewers would not recognize trash if it walked up and bit them in the behind. And, among those that are honest, the majority simply don't know what they don't know.

 

Desktops might definitely get a refresh, because that takes least effort and costs.
But hey time will tell.

 

This year it's going to happen if it's going to happen?

 

The Alienware 15 R2 and Alienware 17 R3 are pretty decent now...
The R1/R2 were all jacked up for sure but all that throttling mess is gone.

With that said I know there is this back and forth of BGA vs Modular.
I bought a P870DM-G it was like $3200. I can say that even though it was a monster it was not with out it's short comings. For one the build quality of the case, the keyboard etc was not on par with Alienware or even most other brands. I also ran into several issues of stability problems. So I decided to ask a respected member of the Clevo about my issues. They told me not only about these exact issues but pointed out more.
In addition the laptop was a giant. Normally I wouldn't care about it, I mean I had XPS M1710s, M1730s, older Clevos, Older Alienwares.. Plenty of monster sized laptops. However Nowa days I would rather have a nice balance of power and light weight. I personally always build a desktop and only need the power on trips etc when Im at home Iam on the desktops.
I recognize that some of you want one single system and I would say that Clevo is a good fit for these situations.
So with that said for me BGA partially resolves the size and weight issue. So long as it doesn't throttle and does what it is suppose to I dont mind BGA. Especially if it has a decent warranty.

So what I did was, sold the P870DM-G, bought a 17 R3 with a decent warranty. I have a 980ti desktop so I think im covered.

My point of all this is that I have come to the conclusion that there is no company making perfect laptops. They all have their plus and minuses.
Owners of AW15R1 and AW17R2 were disappointed by throttling design flaws and crippled BIOS(s); However since that is gone they are once again decent machines again.
I am one picky person when it comes to laptops abd throttling etc. I spent much time complaining to Dell about the R1 and throttling. I have tried to get this R3 to throttle etc.
Finally I have the laptop I have been looking for when I bought the AW last year lol.

BGA doesnt always mean crap. This is turning in a fanboyism thing up in here...

Another thing lol..
If tons of you dont like BGA or Alienware or whatever. Why hang out here complaining about them?
Thats like an Apple lover hanging out on XDA complaining about how Android sux. Kinda makes no sense.
Some of you spend more time on here then the forums for your own current laptop.

 

Why does it seem that some laptop gamers want less longevity & upgrade-ability out of the deceives they own & go out of date on an almost annual basis when the pay such a premium?
I can almost understand when your main rig is a desktop, but there has always been the lower end machines & cheaper brands to cater for those people.
Were as those like myself and others who are at home 2-3 days max a month a desktop replacement laptop is you main rig so want high level performance & high build quality
I don't want to be buying a new one every couple of years when i could instead pay less than a 1/4 of the price just to replace a graphics card. for people in my similar jobs to myself a external gpu is completely impractical & takes away from the reason you'd buy a DTR laptop in the first place.
BGA laptops are fine so long as they don't replace the higher end models that are fully upgrade able the issue is that companies such as alienware are only offering BGA models as apposed to having BGA for low end & upgrade for those who want it (so 17 inch + modles)
I don't want to have to either give up pc gaming/ turn it into a once amonth thing, during the only time i get to see firends & family, just because you are happy with a few thousand pound laptop that will be outdated in 12 months, because i cant justify spending £3000+ on a laptop every couple of years I'm amazed some meny people feel like they can

 

It's not fanboyism. It is a matter of principle, a relentless hatred for and an undying contempt for the ludicrous concept of going BGA on anything that is alleged to be a high quality product. It has nothing to do with Alienware except for their unfortunate and short-sighted participation in the OEM Kool-Aid drinker bandwagon that supports the dumbing down of "high performance" notebooks. While I do not expect the brand to survive, I have nothing against Alienware apart from this and their application of firmware mod crippling Secure Flash feces, and their elimination of robust configurations. They are definitely nowhere close to where they used to be in terms of awesomeness. They have allowed the gap between their once amazing brand and [what I view as] trash sold by the toy-makers like MSI, Gigabyte (Aorus), Razer and ASUS to be closed. That's just sad no matter how you look at it. There is zero reason for me and those that share my interests to have any desire to own an Alienware product at this point. I never had any desire to own an MSI, Aorus, ASUS or Razer and their long term model of selling BGA garbage has been a major reason I never have.

As far as BGA is concerned, I don't care who is doing it. It is downright unacceptable... plain and simple. If all of my friends start making plans to jump off a cliff and plummet to their death I will do my best to warn them of the danger, but there's no way I'm going to follow them. They might get tired of me warning them and trying to deter them from jumping off the cliff, but I will keep doing so until they are past the point of no return and beyond saving. If I can only save a few from tragedy, then it's worth doing. If each of them can save a few, and each of those save a few more, maybe we can eventually turn the tide on the popular race toward mediocrity. The only way we will have a chance of defeating this BGA trash movement is to turn enough people against it so as to cause sufficient financial harm to those selling it to give them an incentive to straighten up and fly right. If we have to play against their greed-based motives and harm their ability to sell their products, then so be it.

But, I'm not going to give up, stop complaining or accept it. Our friends deserve better than that. Friends don't let friends buy BGA trash. So, go ahead and hate us for caring enough to reject compromise.

 

But hey, MSi is taking a shot at a Z170 laptop. Might want to take a look at that.