How far Alienware has gone backwards

Start with this! http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U726-Clevo-P870DM-Notebook-Review.153136.0.html The test machine have the weaker i7-6700. But it's proper socket hardware!

And this link fit in this thread also http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...3-owners-lounge.770314/page-311#post-10264985

@Mobius 1 You choose the brand and model itself. No one force you to choose Clevo or @Prema partner models!! Many brands to choose from.... among other MSI, Asus, Dell, Acer, Gigabyte, eMachine, Lenovo, Razer etc. Some of them have maybe something you prefer instead!!

 

I actually found it cheaper through a partner. Came with Prema BIOS and VBIOS, CLU on CPU, higher speed ram for less cost.

 

What store is that? And what store did you compare their pricing against?

 

I compared Sager whom I have used twice in the past with HIDevolution. HID also may be able to give additional discounts by being a forum member, and paying cash. I am not sure if Sager has either of those programs in place. I would have bought from Sager again but the lack of Prema bios really pushed me to look elsewhere. The CLU and higher speed ram were a bonus. I also opted for the 4k display but I realize anyone can buy that and install it themselves cheaper so I didn't count that as an extra although it is nice that it's covered under warranty and I didn't have to install it myself.

 

P750DM barebone, 1080P (30d pixel warranty), 980M, 330w, intel 8260, 2yr, 8260 wifi. (this is gpu + laptop only, literally barebones)
RJTech: 1633$ (exact)
HID: 1929$ (exact)
Keep in mind that the 8260 is an extra 55$ from RJTech, they allow you to not include the wifi card (-55$) and you buy from ebay 27$. You can also add accidental warranty (2yr, 223$) from RJtech and still have a bit cheaper compared to HID.

CPU 6700K (2yr accidental + replacement from micro center) + 2x8GB RAM = 470usd.
I already have the storage device needed.

To be fair, HID does pricematch and give NBR discount. So that's one thing to consider.

I'm not bashing resellers, I'm just saying that the prema partners charge quite a bit compared to the ones that aren't.




Back on topic, do Clevos with TB3 port support eGPU like razer core? TB3 doesn't need iGPU passthrough and can directly go through the eDP(LVDS), but is solely up to the manufacturer to enable this feature.

 

Man this BGA back and forth seems to go on forever lol...

Anyways, I wouldn't hold your breath. Intel stopped making socketed mobile processors starting with Skylake. So they only way you can get a socketed processor would be to get a system like the ones Clevo offers that stuffs a Desktop processor into a laptop. That is just the way the industry is heading. I would not be surprised if in less then 5 years you also see MXM start fading away for BGA systems.
There are many benefits to BGA and there are many cons. There are also many benefits to sockets and MXM and there are many cons. It really comes down to personal preference after knowing the pros and cons.

Man, we are so blessed to have our own personal rant against Alienware thread in the Alienware community forums.
I personally think that the people that hate Alienware should just go talk positively about the systems they love instead of bashing on the systems that they now hate.
Be more productive! (Glass half full)

Alienware isnt going anywhere. You arn't going to single handedly stop everyone from buying Alienwares.

With that said. I only buy Alienware's and Clevos. You will never catch me on either forum bashing them (and Clevo has tons of things to bash over)
You will however catch me focusing on legitimate design flaws if they exist like previous systems have. My current system runs exactly as advertised. I'm happy.

DeeX out!

 

I did the P870DM in my example since that was what I was looking for. Honestly I think it's worth a premium but I was very glad to get a better deal going through a prema partner than without.

 

P870DM 6700K, 1080 (30d pixel), 980Desktop, 16GB, 330w x2 (RJtech doesn't have the converter box), 8260 wifi.

RJTech: 2429 (exact)
HID: 2844 (exact)

Could always buy the power converter box separate from Eurocom / HID. Probably costs $70-80 but total from RJ is still lower.

 

I mean I still like their product, don't get me wrong. It just seems to me that they are moving in a different direction than before. I am not bashing their systems, i am just a disappointed long time customer. I understand that it is not their fault entirely with Intel not making mobile processors socketed, but at least the video cards could have still been upgradeable.

When I purchased my M18x R2, i chose to go with a 3820QM processor because I knew eventually I can get the XM processor down the road for less than half the price they were charging me at the time with a new system (almost $1100 upgrade). Now on the new Alienwares, I am stuck paying an insane amount of money for the top processor because I cannot upgrade it myself down the road without replacing the entire board and GPU along with it. Not to mention this seems like a lot more work when servicing one of these notebooks vs. the non BGA systems.

Eventually, I won't really have a choice in the matter as my R2 won't last forever, and its performance will eventually be very outdated. I still prefer the chassis build quality on the R2 vs the new notebooks. I may just end up buying my very first Origin notebook for a change when the time comes.

 

It is their "fault" though, because they chose to go with the flow and offer nothing with a top notch desktop socketed CPU and no MXM GPU options, no big SLI machine, etc. Intel is to blame only for being stupid... the OEMs that chose to drink the Kool-Aid cannot use Intel's decision as as excuse for not offering better options to those that want them.

In case you did not already know it, an Origin laptop is an overpriced Clevo with their own logo on the lid. Origin and FalconNW are two examples of boutiques that sell overpriced Clevos with a few aesthetic variances, but the differences are strictly cosmetic. There's nothing wrong with that, but going with their brand may not be the most cost effective route available. Plus, they are not a @Prema partner, so it will have the horribly crippled stock Clevo firmware and potentially a voided warranty if you flash the Prema BIOS needed for the machine to work at its best. My P750ZM was branded by Origin. It is a run of the mill Clevo with a smooth/hard white lid and Origin logos instead of the rubberized coating that the garden variety Clevo comes with.

 

Alienware is late to the game , we just need to see what is their next entree .

 

Do you really want to see what they push out next time? Don't have to big hopes!! 2 revisions of BGA machines will not make a new summer!!

 

lol. I still have hopes dammit. Stop killing my vibe ...

 

Well, I guess there is always a chance @Papusan. We can watch and see if something good happens. I am like you and we both doubt the situation will ever improve. I will not lower my standards to accommodate theirs, but we can still watch. Sometimes miracles do happen, and when they do it brings happiness to the unhappy. The question, if it does, then becomes a matter of whether it is actually good enough to earn forgiveness and if it is worth being happy about. A miracle would be much appreciated.

 

see , @Mr. Fox still have a little heart left for AW ...

 

Sorry bro

It is actually a chance to win the biggest Jackpot lottery too . But how likely is it? More equal ZERO!! And if... A brand new crippled fully locked BIOS/EC from Dells engineers!! Yeah..., Nice machine then?

 

Yes, this true. The only way to win the lottery is to risk spending money on tickets with almost zero chance and no basis for hope of actually winning unless by accident.

Here we can watch and make a decision bad on someone else risking their own money on something that is no good. If we like what we see we can investigate further. If not, we move on.

 

Although Dellienware would come with a brand new AW18 with fully socket hardware.... I wouldnt want to be a guinea pig. It is not certain some performance enthusiasts dare to jump on the train, before everything is ruled out. Use of XTU on such a machine is not an option!! Either unlocked Bios / Ec + No secure boot or nothing. What helps an unlocked bios but closed with secure boot, if you can not modify a broken/crippled EC or fix a crippled unlocked bios?

 

I agree... no more compromises. Has to be all or nothing and I am done with being a guinea pig. I'd rather wait and join the party late while others spend their money on expensive experiments.

 

Alien Watching's latest installment:
A High-Performance Card Trick: New GTX 1080
May 26 article by Joe Olmsted, director product mngmnt Jailienware
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Spoiler: Joker's Wild

"The graphics card is key to our Amp’s awesome abilities, and you can look forward to taking it to the next level with the GeForce GTX 1080 – whether for maxed out gaming or VR. For existing Alienware Graphics Amplifier owners, the power of the latest NVIDIA card can be at your fingertips for around $600 MSRP. For Alienware users looking to get up and running, for under $800 you can package a new Alienware Graphics Amp ($199) with the new GTX 1080 ($599 MSRP); or for less than $580, opt for the most recent GTX 1070 card ($379). Already bought your system? No problem. Upgrade to Pascal and take advantage of its new high-performance technology with a simple swap-in. Our Area 51 desktop and Graphics Amp are designed for easy interior access, so it’s a snap to update your graphics card. This allows you to strengthen your gaming artillery more often to maximize performance, whether on the Area 51, or using the Amp on Alienware 13/15/17 notebooks or Alienware X51 R3 small form factor desktop".

Joe Blow is a professional Spin Doctor of course, as in: "This dovetails into our commitment to the highest quality standards", like the mediocre non-80Plus psu in the AGA Joe? Or the weak 80Bronze in the A52? What appears to occur is the 1st wave of products ship to the press & owners with Delta PSU's - then? - after brand recognition occurs, they sub to ACBel (who?) & Shenzhen Huntkey (who?) simply to lower their cost ("The industrial areas around Shenzhen China, are the cradle of the lowest-priced PSUs sold all over the globe" ... do tell); meanwhile, the press & owners alike perpetuate the myth-meme: "at least they come with Deltas". Not all brother. JoeBlow's aliens pull the old switcheroo (& this is what happens when you wear the anti-alien / anti-glare sunglasses, you get to see these things)

A launch-hype announcement which promises $599 1080s for the masses, under $800 with the graphics amp / aga.

Today on Dell.com $819 for 1080 FE / 1year Warranty Only

A High-Performance Card Trick: MSRP Vanishing Act
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1080 FE shown above of course has a higher $699 MSRP, but within a day of the announcement we see a price hike of +$119. I've left a comment asking for clarification if $599 1080s for the masses is fact or fantasy since at that rate $599 cards may fetch $719+

'Competitive' Pricing

Above, my 5.28 comments & 5.31 reply from Officialdom
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7:30pm 5.31
Price Change = $700
No. It ain't time to drink Kool-Aid & sing Kumbaya
it's tough to congratulate people simply for behaving human
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I'm making my 5.31 edit, but Area-51 gets a Broadwell-E / Pascal makeover June14th & for all I know that price will go right back up to $819 on the 15th --> must keep watching the aliens; until then, enjoy $699 1080 courtesy of Joe ... & ... Cass-Olé

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Warranty​

EVGA/Nvidia & others may offer a 3year warranty, PNY.com of course offers 1year, which is why Dell prefers this brand no doubt; in years prior, if you pay extra you could extend the warranty to 3years; my chat today?: " ... this graphics card would only come 1 year standard warranty ... we won't be able to extend the warranty of the graphics card." (chat ID 74724051) Wait for it ... : " ... I do apologize that we do not do the 3 years extended warranty for GPUs, if you would like a longer warranty, it is advised that you get this GPU from the manufaturer itself." Do tell ...

$699 / 3years direct from the manufacturer
that's the best advice I've ever gotten from Dell Support
stay tuned​

 

They better mount desktop GTX 1080 or 2x 1080M. Otherwise they doesn't exist for me.

 

i cant describe how much that post that post by dell irritates me

"For the last 20 years innovation has been what defines Alienware’s high performance gaming systems"

INNOVATES

then talking like there consumer base is to stupid to work out that you can just take out a gpu & put in a new one!

"The graphics card is key to our Amp’s awesome abilities"

really you really think you need to point this out?


"Our Area 51 desktop and Graphics Amp are designed for easy interior access"

so are you saying other computer cases & GPU inclousers are not designed for access at one point dellianware even made laptops with easy access & they were upgrade able

i could carry on

 

Let them know how many of you and what you are willing to pay. If it is profitable enough though, then maybe they would? I suspect the numbers are not enough nor would any sane people pay up front to show their sincerity.

I'll likely never have a clevo etc because its harder to buy (asia) and less support. Onsite is a must.

 

Why let them know anymore? we did in the AMA, also why didn't years of buying the laptops let them know. dell aren't interested its all about profit for them & their shareholders they will make more money selling someone a new laptop every few years than allowing the consumer to be able to upgrade there laptop. consumer good will is unimportant & then even some people will defend there anti consumer moves the BGA fail-ienware defenders.

 

Dellienware has burned all bridges and pulled up the ladder against all enthusiasts. I can not see that a single of the hardcore enthusiast is somewhat interested in any of their ruined Aw BGA models. Maybe very well that Dell has done this so thoroughly. Not halfway, but the full package... It's important that everyone who think about to purchase this brand can receive info what DELLIENWARE has done with the one time well known brand.

 

yeah the LAST 20 years, not the NEXT 20....3 years later..

 

That would be my point... people don't keep laptops that long even if the *PU can be changed. Otherwise "real" enthusiast would still have USB2.0 and firewire.

Those that cannot get done what they want or enjoy what they want with BGA are rare. Your question then has been answered - not enough of you to make business sense, at least at this moment. Good thing you have Clevo or alternatives.

Anyway, its just a phase or part of the evolution. I'm sure you guys hated ECM's and fuel injection too. lol.

 

Alienware have not gone backwards, merely in a different direction.

My system, is arguably the worst "offender". A 15 R1 with 4720HQ, Gtx 980m and the 180W adapter. Apparently this system is no good.
Well I feel it necessary to comment that THAT is simply not the case.
Everything I've thrown at it has run perfectly fine. NO Exceptions.
Battlefield 4, Mirrors Edge, Eternal Crusade, Dolphin Emulation, etc.
I've tested a wide range of programs and gone crazy with browsing tabs to test the "basic" performance. Handles it all.

This system is not a junkbook. I don't see why moderators on this site can be allowed to slate simply because it's not to their taste.
I find the larger Alienware 18 inch systems to be over sized and overweight, incorrectly labeled as portable laptops and horrendously expensive. Yet I know there will be individuals out there whom will find them ideal devices. Therefore I don't slate in my signature.
I've seen numerous members grow tired of the constant negativity as of late and I share this view. If it bothers you as much as you claim, go buy another brand and vote with your wallet. The whining here grows tiresome and the forum has never looked worse to read.
I despise being told that I'm accepting less for more. NO. This was the cheapest Alienware I've bought and offers the best performance I've ever seen.
I followed the advice on this forum and initially completely avoided my laptop configuration. I ordered a i5 version with the 965m to prevent "disappointment". When I received my current set up I was both delighted and apprehensive. Some may call this fate/ destiny but despite many saying this would only end in disaster I tested the laptop and found it to be a true champion. Ergo my eyes were opened.

Awwww but you're soldered BGA and can't upgrade your CPU
- Yes.....because I've done that will all my previous systems...... *Sarcasm

Awwww Alienware are becoming just like Apple
- Eh no...We're not. Apple prices have either remained consistent or continued to increase and offer incredibly poor performance for value against rivals.

Awwww - You're just an Alienware FANBOY.
- Um no - There are a few things I'd improve upon for my Alienware 15 and I also recognize it's one of the heavier 15 inch laptops out.

MXM is not the be all and end all of a laptop and I've fully come to realize this. By the time you factor in the latest GPU's (Possibly 2 for SLI, Crossfire), CPU's and any other upgrade part the cost cannot be justified against simply picking up a new laptop.

The AGA is a superb concept and a product I will pick up later.
With this alongside the latest Desktop GPU, I'm willing to bet that this combo will topple many "Enthusiast" gaming laptops and at a fraction of the cost.
There will be new Alienwares to follow and I look forward to seeing the changes/ refinements made. Alienware are going this direction because it's what makes them the most money and the demand is for.
Basic business strategy.

 

nobody really proofreads what is put on the sales page of these systems anymore, don't expect anything accurate

 

i think a lot of it is what made you want to by the brand in the first place. what made me want one was after seeing a friends was the upgrade ability & build quality Seeing the reason i wanted to by there products & for a time recommended them being taken away is disappointing

No its that gaming wise & most consumer software don't even take advantage of hyper threading so as long as you have a reasonably recent cpu your fine, a well overclocked i5 2500k is is still an awesome cpu for gaming, due partly to the "wonders of consoles" and that AMD haven't really put out anything to challenge Intel so the performance gains have been so minimal, single gpus are still happy with pcie 2.0 bandwidth so as long as the GPU works in the machine the only thing you have to gain by buying a new laptop is very slight performance gain (if any)

unfortunatly desktop cpus ranked for performance but demonstrates my point quite clearly
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu-hierarchy,review-33355.html

at the bottom of the page
"Really, it's the top five tiers or so that remain viable. And in that top half of the chart, an upgrade is typically worthwhile if it's a least a couple of tiers higher. Otherwise, there's just not enough improvement to warrant the expense of a fresh CPU, motherboard and memory (not to mention the graphics card and storage solution you'd be considering as well)."

indeed it doesn't make business sense for a company building up-gradable laptops they make less money & in my opinion as a consumer it is in my interest to spend my money on products that will last longer.

no i beleve we only have a few clevo models (only clevo to my knowledge are the only laptops producer who still make laptops with socketed gpu's &cpu's) the issue is that it reduces consumer choice


edited to reduce waffle & spelling oh god the spelling

 

i know but what irates me is more of the tone in which they address their customers

 

@Caladdon so where's your second GPU? You don't have it? That's a shame. Model from 2012 eats your new model...

 

Ummm. Again no... it doesn't "eat" my new model.
For power efficiency and 1080p gaming my system MORE than meets my demands.
Hint* That's what I care about right now.

And just why would I order the Gtx1080 or any second GPU now for that matter for the AGA if my gaming needs are met?!
Not to mention that the 980m is the best mobile GPU out right now......
And I'm not a sucker for the 8GB version - I know the difference against the 15's 4GB won't be noticeable.

Guess someone doesn't quite understand the concept of a long term plan and waiting a few generations for an even better GPU that's compatible with the AGA and will keep my gaming experience very enjoyable. I very much doubt the i7 will be a bottleneck anytime soon....

 

What the hell? Alienware mounts crippled 4GB 980M? Lol, you learn new crap every day.

i7 won't be a bottleneck but you will found out your crippled 980M vRAM that is not upgradable will be a problem soon and then you will have to buy a new laptop and no one will buy this one because it will be unfixable if something would die. GTA 5 on ultra 1080p details eats 3800MB vRAM here so... you know.

Something like i7-2920XM or i7-6700K with unlocked bios will just eat your cpu. Om nom nom. Does your CPU throttle on stock clocks or it's on little margin before thermal shutdown? I can safely use 4 GHz 2920XM daily overclock with a safe OC margin about 250 MHZ.

It's a colossal downgrade not only in performance but also in design and parts quality. Not to mention awful display and this stupid GA. Where's your mobility when you have to carry this GA with external GPU everywhere to get performance from 2012 model. That's a progress?

EDIT::

Ah. Just saw you have 180W power supply. Do you know that if you would like to do anything to increase your laptop performance then PSU will not be enough? Like upgrading cpu to MX or upgrading GPU? Oh sorry. I forgot that you CAN'T upgrade it.

 

The second revisions mount the 8GB version.
4GB is not crippled in the slightest. This is nonsensical.

In case you missed it.

Gtx980m 4GB runs all current games out on Ultra settings at 1080p at 60FPS+.
For MY needs as well as many avid gamers, not to mention the gaming market in general, that's ideal, hence why it's selling. Period.

To be perfectly honest, I couldn't give a rat's @ss if those CPU's bench higher than mine as I won't notice the difference and more often than not, synthetic benchmarks do NOT correlate to real world performance.

 

Good luck in 2017

In case you think your CPU is powerful enough then try Total war series or ARMA 3

 

Ps... Gaming + benchmarks is not everything the processor is used for. Gaming is only a part of everything you do on a computer There is a reason for the more powerful 8-10 core processors are made. Not all use their computers to just gaming!! +4.8GHz on all 4 cores or even 4.6GHz on a 5960X will eat a Intel BGA to breakfast

 

And if what *I* use it for required all that I wouldn't have the M11x or AW13 in the first place. Both did what I need - no complaints. But more than 2-5 years on, I had/have no interested in spending $ on the M11x even if I could.

I've been there though, overclocking for purpose in the 486 days - needed it! Or just because I could. Swap parts? I see the fun in that (I have lots of parts for a reason), but to sell YOUR hobby interest as my NEED is way off.

 

One table from guru3d is your grounds for debate?!

OMG really - You use computers for MORE than just gaming.... that's incredible.......really it is........
Core with higher frequencies are faster?! Wow - Really........

In other news, water is wet.

I've never disputed them being faster. I've disputed the noticeable difference at this current moment in time which for ME and for the majority of gamers (Hence the new company direction) simply doesn't exist....

Whatever desktop GPU I pick in future for the AGA, you better believe it WILL wreck whatever enthusiast system you choose at a MUCH cheaper cost.

 

Yeah..., Lug around with the G/A everywhere you go. Nice. Up in your cabin or friends. In short everywhere you need to lug around with that breadbox. Maybe you lug around with that Box on business trips also for gaming on the night/afternoon(free time)? Yeah..., nice to own a car!! + that breadbox.

 

No I won't lug the GA around wherever I go. A weak argument if any at all. I game 99% at home, with the 1 other percentage easily passed by.

Lugging around a 17inch system with SLI cards was more cumbersome. And even then it's quite rare to find a dual set up under 18 inches.

We're heading this new direction because it's actually much more sensible despite your protests. At the current moment in time there are 2 choices.

1) Adapt to the new direction and realize its future potential.
2) Choose a different brand that suits desires.

It doesn't get much more complicated than that nor is it necessary to endlessly complain that Alienware aren't doing what you as an individual want...

 

Let's be perfectly clear about one thing. This is not an Alienware problem. The cancer has metastasized and it is officially an industry problem. Everyone that likes extreme performance notebooks has been shafted by the move to BGA. It's a sin and a crime.

There, I fixed #1 for you. I won't be drinking the Kool-Aid, now or later. There needs to be room at the table for folks like me or I will eat dinner elsewhere, or go on a fast. BGA is a performance-robbing and repair-blocking game-ender and it will never be acceptable to me or folks like me. We need options, not a Procrustean one-size-fits-all approach. Regardless whether you think BGA is OK or hate it, the lack of options and being limited to a 'crap du jour' approach should be enough to make everyone very angry.

This is what I call sensible design for those that want something little. It's a cute little 15-inch micro-beast with no crippling BGA filth. If Clevo can do this with 4790K and 6700K there is absolutely no excuse for any other OEM to limit their offerings to BGA crap, other than they are allowing Intel to dictate our future and leveraging the disposable design to drive notebook sales.

 

It has not been a downgrade with functional limitations.
I'm running everything on max settings and it's performing brilliantly. Ergo I was correct the first time.

I also find it amusing that despite possessing several MXM Alienwares and boasting their ability from the hills you have since elected to make the shift to a different brand regardless. Effectively making the whole upgrade advantage concerning previous Alienware models a moot point indeed.

 

So we are at a stand-off. It doesn't matter that you can view your opinion as correct or that I view an opinion like mine as correct. It won't change anything. The only thing that may stand a chance of producing change is causing financial harm to the OEMs that are falling in line with the BGA crap and doing my part to cause that harm is the basis of my agenda. I hope many will eventually join me in taking a stand against filth. The only way to make that happen is to spread the word and help more folks wake up and see the light. How can they hear and know the truth without preachers? Simple answer... they can't, and they won't even know any better.

I don't find anything amusing about crippled BGA design becoming the standard in notebooks. It is a devastating tragedy. I have no brand loyalty. Alienware no longer sells anything that interests me. If they did I would still own their products. I got rid of all of my Alienware stuff for two reasons. First, to make a public statement that what they are doing is unacceptable. I get the personal satisfaction of making that statement regardless of whether it makes any difference. Second, the sale of them provided the funds I needed to take control of my situation and create a brighter tomorrow for myself.

 

We just use Clevo cards...

 

The laptops you promote arent portable either.......

 

Wow, glad you said something. I've been taking my monsterbooks everywhere I go for years. I did not know they were not portable, LOL. I guess now I know, but that won't stop me since they fit in a backpack and are extremely easy to travel with.

On a more serious note, I think what you really mean is they are not small and lightweight, and people that value small and lightweight more than performance may not appreciate them. Big difference there. But, by common definition they are 100% portable.

If you want something to use when flying coach on a commercial airline, nothing works very well in the sardine gallery. Even small tablets can be a pain in the butt under those circumstances. When the rude guy in front of you decides to lay his head in your lap your view of a smartphone sitting on the tray table might be obstructed. If you're lucky enough to end up in First Class then even the huge mosterbooks can be comfortably used except on the uncomfortably small planes. First Class cannot fix those horrible torture cambers with wings... they are miserable no matter what you're trying to use.

 

By your standards they are 100% portable. A bit more fashionable backpack already has trouble to house my AW15 for example. Not that I consider an AW15+AGA portable. That isnt portable by a longshot either.

 

I can interpret this one of two ways: you think 980m is the best card or you know solo-980m's their best card. Solo-980m in the Jailienware lineup is the best they have out right now, but how far backwards they've gone?, we covered the implications here & elsewhere, it's old news:

A) they don't offer the GTX 980 (980'D' / desktop variant for laptops 200w/180w) which was announced last September as the 'Fastest mobility graphics card ever built for gaming laptops', while the likes of Clevo / MSI GT80s (x2 GTX 980D SLI) & others do offer it --> 8months later, Aliens got no desktop gpu in a laptop hence ain't got the 'best' mobile gpu or gpu configs out right now, because:

B) Nor do they offer 980m SLI, which others do. These configs are MIA from their lineup & leave them behind-the-times (call it what u will)

Thunderbolt. eGPU itself isn't Alien-exclusive so your words here are ephemeral at best. Normally, there are those of us here that keep our comments non-personal. I'm reading the words: Your System vs Everyone Else's. Sounds personal to me. Your 15's gonna wreck everybody's system, all by itself, past present & future. How ... cute.
This is a $1000 card being powered by a non-80Plus psu; call it $50, call it ACBel (who?). Call this a $1470 option right now on 17R3 sales page, ok? I could care less about your or Rinneh's 15 or iUnlock's 17, what I care about is that when u lift the lid on this thing, to be called 'Alienware' & to wear an Alienhead, lift it & pow! should happen. Drips with quality. Instead? This wreaks brother. Total cheese. If this is the direction you say I should keep my mouff shut about?

• adapt to the new direction & realize its future potential

No, because someone has to be a bulwark against more frivolous cheese, like: "this dovetails into our commitment to the highest quality standards", so says our favorite salesgirl Joe-O Joe Blow, but is it the highest quality? Is it ...

the fan's so small u can't even see it, can u ...​

the idea of whooping everyone's butt with that? pffffff.

Pffffff. Who wants to field that, I'm out of time & patience.

Everki Titan CheckPoint friendly backpack, easily cured ... (post 5943).

*If I've stated errors, please correct

 

No. They don't.
They fit in specially sized backpacks. Not the average backpack.
I've owned both. The Alienware 18 & M18x are not extremely easy to carry. This is wrong.

These new systems are not filth. They are the successors of previous gen Alienwares. Just because you don't view them as desirable does NOT make them filth. That's just your opinion.

If more gamers agreed with your viewpoint then we'd only be seeing massive desktop replacement rigs that are "portable" in only the most broad of circumstances. Ie. shifting tables or rooms.
We're not . We are heading in a lighter and actually portable direction all whilst still packing plenty of power.