How far Alienware has gone backwards

can't you request replacement parts with the new AWs? even if the product changes surely the warranty policy can't be radically different

 

It seems they've phased that out. Besides that I think they're less comfortable with people working on their own machines because they're not designed to be serviced by the end user anymore. Those days of Alienware greatness have gone.

 

and they're not on computex this year

from hero to zero huh?

 

Well, we can only hope it's for a good reason. But personally anymore hope in Alienware wowing me would be grossly misplaced. They prematurely AOLed both their previous flagships (m18/18) once their new disposable range came out. I'll expect nothing from these fakes.

Too late for them anyway, I just bought a Clevo P870DM-G. Suck on that Dell how you like dem apples?
@FrankAzor @Alienware-Frank_L @AWKahn

 

You should've bought a P870DM with pascal...

 

It wasn't an option since I bought it second hand. That's fine. Pascal for mobile still isn't out and I'm happy enough to have a machine that will upgrade to Pascal.
The plan was to upgrade it to 980D but I'm surely going to hold out for 1080D or M.

 

I thought they were @ Computex this year...they previewed the OLED laptop they previewed 6 months ago lol. Defintley gone are the great days of Alienware, Remember dropping a huge chunk of my savings on an Aurora M7700 when i first joined the military

 

From the NBR marketplace?

Alienware @ computex demo laptop with oled screen, but currently on 13" only.

Unsure about other models, but I am concerned about the screen burn-in that most oled monitors are claimed to have.

 

@Mobius 1

Yes indeed

 

third time's the charm eh?

pm me your steam

 

Lol right now I'm at the helm of 1.3ghz of single threaded fury... Strange things happen

 

You can say all you want about BGA and the price of MXM boards etc.


But 800bucks for a Geforce 980M compared to a full replacement motherboard with a 6700HQ and a 980M for my motherboard costs 399. So it is even cheaper to maintain it if something breaks. The pricing is just crazy. I refuse to pay those inflated prices. I think this is the reason why the whole industry of these type laptops became so small to begin with.

There is simply no excuse for those high prices, whoever is responsible for this. I cant remember AMD boards where cheap for example.

 

It's always been insane, dunno why.

 

GG. We are done.

 

I bought my 980m's for $715 new 2 years ago with 1 years warranty but ok. I sold my old 780m's for $350 a piece. That's $375 per GPU in my books. Not bad. Of course I wish they were cheaper though.

A motherboard replacement with 6700HQ and 980m for your machine costs $399? Interesting..Are you sure about that? Link please

And what about upgrades? Aint happening is it.

 

Upgrades, I guess for me it is pretty much end of line. NIce if you bought a 970M version for cheap.

https://www.parts-people.com/index.php?action=item&id=20493
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-ALIENW...4-CN-0YHXY4-LA-C912P-USA-/331828961203?_ul=BO

Taobao and alixpress are selling some too.

715 for a 980M is a bit better though. The pricing now is ridiculous on ebay etc.

 

That's the deal breaker for me. I was hoping we'd see a little AW14 with MXM GPU's.. I would have loved that.

I've never bought anything from either of them. Taobao looks interesting. I've always been to scared to try Alixpress, isn't it a real crapshoot?

$715 for the 980m isn't bad. But it's still far more than it should be.

 

What happened to your EVGA 980Ti hybrid and Broadwell K micro atx rig ?
Switching to full mobile I presume, the P870D I guess ?

 

Bingo!! 1080 was a let down, Broadwell-e was a disappointment. And these Clevo boys are having too much fun without me.
I don't have the machine yet.. It's on its way.. Longest wait ever.

 

Can I know why Broadwell E is not good ?
And welcome back to the mobile DTR, the 870DM Cool

 

And hope you are lucky in the silicon lottery one more time. Yeah..., some love gambling And of course most people haven't problem to tear down their laptop for changing the MB. Because a tech isn't cheap Is the MB with 6820HK also same price?

 

No clue what the 6820HK costs. Dont have the part numbers so it is difficult to find.

But the sillicon lotery doesnt matter here. A 800usd MXM 980M can be a dud too, but for that price I have 2 complete motherboards with CPU and all. Not that the 6700HQ is ment for overclocking. It is simply made impossible by intel. Something that sucks quite a bit.

 

It doest OC well and can no IPC improvements if any. Want the 10 core.. That'll be $1700!
Besdies that, I missed portable power.

I'm hopefully I can upgrade Clevo P870DM-G screen to a ligit 120hz now too.

 

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It looks like there is a major shortage of newer AW <Echo 15/17> motherboards. A lottery project!! Hope most owners have ordered a very long warranty.
The sillicon lotery does matter for me!! It would be a big tragedy if I had a BGA machine and I had to replace the motherboard. And received a new MB with crippled cpu or gpu. Or in worst case... Both Crippled

 

Taobao support international sales now. You dont need a middle man anymore. If you need hard to find spareparts or specifics laptop fans for example. You can get them there.

I havent seen a single case of a motherboard with a bad GPU or CPU on current AW series. At least they work as advertised.

 

Yeah..., Both cpu/gpu come with high binned quality every time... I see

 

high binned quality only goes for pure overclocking. Still dont think DTR's are good for that.

 

Yes, there is laptops from several brand that should not have been called DTR. Overclocking might not be recommended for these... But high binned chips means more than just overclocking. Lower hardware temperatures due to massive under volts is not to be despised in any laptops.

DTR's isnt good for overclocking

 

Now show me your fanspeeds

I thought I saw you rlaptop flying over europe next to our new JSF fighter plane over the skies in holland .

But 4.8GHZ isnt a crazy overclock. but quiete normal for a desktop to run at. Not that strange ofcourse considering the much bigger VRM's designs of overclocking motherboards.

 

The fans on P870 is still quieter than most of laptops with fully loaded hardware I can clock down to Aw performance and the noise is gone. Lapped heatsink + Liquid ultra make wonders. Good Binned chips Help also Never say laptops shouldn't be overclocked Because some is designed for that

 

4.8 GHz is very high overclock. 5.0 GHz is crazy. Normal desktops run at 4.0 - 4.6 GHz.

And don't look at Faildozer speeds. Look at intel skylake.

 

Thats some work you did for it.

Just I come from a world where we liquid cool OC-ed chips or when it comes to sport using liquid nitrogen (but that is not a long term solution ofcourse).

 

Just hire someone to continuously pour LN2 on the cpu and gpu...

 

As soon as my Clevo P870DM-G arrives I'm going to.
1) check it boots and functions
2) power off
3) tear down, delid and apply liquid

 

4) pray I've been blessed by the silicon gods

 

5GHZ is quit enormal for all delided Skylakes on desktop. I saw examples of 24/7 on 5.2ghz on air cooling if you have a nicely binned chip. 6.5ghz is the record on liquid nitrogen I think?

 

What a monster. I think this is finally worth the upgrade over Sandy Bridge then....I will wait though, to see if socketed chips make a comeback at all. My M18x are not tired yet

 

Nope. Only very expensive editions and selects because they are still not overclocking like SB.

 

I'm just sitting here wondering if clevo will offer a direct die heatsink for delid chips :|

 

Nope just the 6700K delided on aircooling. There are plenty examples on google alone and I have first hand experience with these.

 

Delided select on aircooling probably close to its limit. You forgot that part.

 

- Summertime Alien Watching Continued -
how far the Aliens will set you backwards
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Day One Broadwell-E CPU prices estimated
6800k $300 6850k $750 6900k $1350 6950x $2000​

Note: Micro Center 6950x = $1600
(6900k estimated $999 6850k estimated $550)

Spoiler: the Math

6800k has an MSRP of $434, Area-51 has a base price of $1700; the cost of 6800k is included in the base price & is estimated to account for $300 minimum of $1700. If the reality is it costs over $300, adjust the cost up accordingly. From there, as one moves up in the Price Tiers, the $300 cpu is already invested in + whatever 'add X amount' for the upgraded cpu option

Prices, estimated in US dollars:

• 6800k $300
• 6850k $750 (add 450)
• 6900k $1350 (add 1050)
• 6950x drum roll please ... $2000 (add $1700)

Aurora R5
Day One SkyLake CPU prices estimated
i5 6600k $350 6700 $400 6700k $550​

K-option cpu gets a liqwid-kooler, accounts for $100 estimated
example 6700k = 450 + 100 = 550
MicroCenter 6700k $290

Spoiler: solve for X

Aurora cpu prices take more explaining. This is a copy/paste of a post I made on Alien Club.

Tier 1 & 2: i3 $100 & i5 $200
The base i3 6100, whose price is built-in, included in your $800 starter price - has an MSRP of $117 from Intel. For laughs n' giggles on such a small amount I'll estimate it comprises $100 of that $800 starter price, then solve:

i5 6400 add $100 = $100 invested into i3 + add $100 i5 = $200 i5 ($182 MSRP). Check

Premium Cpu (+cooler) Options

Tier 3 & 4: i5 6600k $350 | i7 6700 $400 | 6700k $550

Stay with me here. When across Tier 1 - 4 you set all hardware options equal (memory + video + hard drives + power supply), I'm given the base Tier starter prices, where the only difference is cpu choice, for instance:

Tier 1: $2230 i3

Tier 2: $2330 i5

Tier 3a: $2480 i5k + liqwid cooler

Tier 3b: $2530 6700

Tier 4: $2680 6700k + liqwid cooler

Doing so captured all their Cpu prices we're asked to pay. Here's where it gets muddy. Mathematically, u can subtract in all these tiers to get back to sqware one, our $100 i3 that you have no choice but to invest (buy it or opt-out of it: either way u still pay $100 for it across all Tiers)

For instance, Tier 4 - Tier 1: 2680 - 2230 = a $450 difference

From there, add the original $100 invested to the i3 & 6700k + cooler = $550 total ???

Not good, given MicroCenter's everyday (non-sale) price of $290 -or- +$260 over retail

*** 2230 = 2130 (sans i3) making for 2680 - 2130 = 550, where 2130 = the base one uses to subtract from all pricier Tiers. If you understood this correctly, by hardware-optioning all Tiers equally, 2130 is the final cost of an optioned-out Aurora but WITHOUT A CPU:

• now see Tiers 1-4 above again to capture your cpu price, yes?

Therefore, i5 6600k = $350 (+cooler) 6700 = $400 & 6700k = $550 (+cooler)

Outright, let's compare Intel's MSRP between 6700 & 6700k which is a mere $36 ($303 vs $339) - yet - we're asked to add $150 for the K-option over the 6700 which itself is already $100 estimated over MSRP. Hmmmm. We've been hit up for an extra Benjamin (+$100 AlienTax) on both i7's & then shaken down for another Benjamin too & that one's probably the liqwid-cooler.

ok. i5 6600k = 350 total = $242 MSRP + 100 for cooler? yes, no, maybe, but it's close enough

 

This is pretty much the case for all pre-built computer manufacturers including the likes of Falcon Northwest, origin PC etc.

That why I build my own systems.

 

The difference is pc maker like origin, falcon, and various other use non proprietary market-grade (asus, msi, etc etc) hardware. Where aw use a lot more proprietary hardware and oem "good enough" parts from the lowest bidder for critical system components.

 

I'll note your use of guarded language, conditional, use of the subjunctive mood, like a built-in escape clause. I hate love people like you Rinneh, *** apologists: 'they all do it'.

Nobody makes short qwick work of my hard work. Lazy people like you sit on their whoopee-cushion, say whatever they want in all of two sentences & a wave of the hand. You couldn't even click a like on my post to pay deference, is that it? Just another guy running his yap in the Backwards thread?

Sir, I live in a world called put up or shut up:


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Note I've only attached a $300 estimate to the Aliens 6800k; it's implied that if they charge you more than that, the cost of ALL other cpu's rise in eqwal proportion. I'll do u & your friends a favor: I'll estimate Origin PC FlagShip Genesis at $350:

6800k 350 included in 2206 base price
6850k add 219 + 350 = 569

• Aliens: add 450 > 750 - 569 = 181 more

6900k add 733 + 350 = 1083

• Aliens: add 1050 > 1350 - 1083 = 267 more

6950x add 1462 + 350 = 1812

• Aliens: add 1700 > 2000 - 1812 = 188 more

Falcon NW Mach V $3037 base price v. Aliens
6800k 350
6850k add 222 = 572 v. add 450 = 178 more
6900k add 754 = 1104 v. add 1050 = 246 more
6950x add 1300 = 1650 v. add 1700 = 350 more

That's when Alien 6800k is $50 LESS

Let me tell you something ... Rinneh ...
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Once you've seen what these pitiless feelingless emotionless Grey Aliens do to the other 3 cpu prices? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK they're gonna let 6800k walk out the door for a measly $300?

MSRP is $434​

I intentionally under-value it so people don't call me crazy.

If I price their 6800k at $400? Oh. 6950X just became 2100, or 500 over MicroCenter. $400 is just retail, under retail & no gratuity attached ... no Alien Tax. No mark up.

Sub $400 into their price, wedge it into Origin's price, Falcon's price? Then come talk to me. Sub a mark up on that $400 6800k while you're at it, but before you start to chicken-peck your keyboard ...

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Rinneh & all this talk about Cpu prices made me grouchy, I've posted again here: Alienware forums . As time goes by, some of you will see it, some of you won't; it's about simple desktop qwestions (& support) put to AlienBook which were eventually removed, deleted for no good reason, not to me. I hope it's worth your time. That may be you someday.

edit: Origin designed their own award-winning case
VVV

 

With the remark that they all do it regardless of how big the differences are doesnt mean I condone it. THis is why I promote self built machines. Alienware desktops have only the case going for them. Others use primarily Silverstone cases that everyone can use. So the only reason for existence are users that cant build their own PC but still want the most premium desktop in terms of parts.

This is true but also the double edged sword. Why would you pay more if it is fairly easy to build it yourself.

 

If someone cannot build their own I question whether they have any business owning one, LOL. Kind of like giving a retarded person a firearm or a butcher knife to play with. I know some people can break anything just by staring at it and have really rotten luck being accident prone, so I'm not painting them all with the same brush. Those that can't should be a very tiny minority if you exclude the console jockeys that have finally wised up and are looking for a better way of life in the PC master race. The most tedious and boring part (to me anyway) comes after the build, with the OS installation and performance tuning. Not being able to build your own, short of a physical or mental handicap, also raises a question in my mind if they are smart enough to even know what they are buying from a company that is pre-built. That's part of the reason Intel has successfully suckered so many people with BGA jokebooks.

 

to be fair, not many people know the difference. and it has always been said that laptops can't be upgraded past ram and hdd since so many poor people own LEGIT craptops from the likes of HeatP, ACutcornerER, ASSus, HELL and broadcast the "knowledge" to the people who can actually afford the good stuff

 

I take the middle ground: promote using an Alien desktop case & trouble-shoot the how-to on building it yourself. I also heavily lobby publicly for price reductions on spare parts & prices found on the sales page. I'm the only person you'll readily find who Alien Watches & publishes (estimated) prices for CPU / GPU as I just did one page back. Ask yourself: why did they reduce the price from $820 for the GTX 1080 FE to $700 on Dell.com? And now offer 1080/1070 at fair market value on Alien.com sales pages? Public scrutiny. Namely mine. Not mine?

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After posting this screen capture into my R5 Aurora SkyLake Community Discussion + Buyer | Upgrade Guide ...? Well looky what we have here:

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Either a temporary or permanent price drop. It may not be drastic but it's surely better than it was. The buyer will of course pay for the included 8Gb mem kit upfront then add $1050 for 2133 MHz 64Gb (budget) kit. Call 8Gb $50 & 64Gb was $1100. Minimum.

When I publicly compared that to Corsair.com 64Gb 2133 kit? It's just $295, making theirs an obscene $900 sur-charge. Now? It's been dropped to 'add $800' which makes it an $850 purchase. Minimum. Or 'only' 550 minimum over decent designer memory. We could look into Dominator Platinum 2400MHz prices for easy reference ... ooops ... 'only' $415. Half price & a bump up in speed from their $850 budget kit.

Kingston? The 16Gb HyperX 2400 kit (K-option CPU only of course): Aliens 1st wanted $350, now dropped to 'only' $300. Minimum. Since we can't know what the initial 8Gb represents. Kingston.com is $77 for the same kit. 4x4Gb is a mere --> $63.

In the news: R5 Aurora, using 1080 FE? It may or may not get the new HB Bridge. Aurora R5 SLI bridge question ... & instead they may be using an old-timey flex-bridge. Imagine that: gimped 1080 / 1070 from the factory? Maybe yes maybe no. I'm waiting for word if customers paying for dual-1080s get an HB bridge or not.

Last? Dell.com wants $500 for the 1070 FE. I just lobbied yet again on behalf of the consumer to have an FE price reduction, this time 1070s reduced to $450 MSRP. We'll see ...

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R2 gets a designer 2way or 3way bridge for Maxwell. Pascal HB bridge has not been seen yet by me at least. Last weeks E3 display model isn't using Pascal:

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