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    How overclocking can improve your render times

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by maxwell36, Jan 10, 2010.

  1. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    I have been messing about with 3d modeling over break and the time it takes to render has been getting on my nerves. I was interested to see what effect overclocking had on over all render times and after reading The Moo’s how-to on overclocking I gave it a try. I thought I would share my results incase anyone else out there is into 3d animation.
    I first created a simple test scene with several light sources and a fairly high detailed material that included specular displacement and diffuse maps.

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    To test the effectiveness of each FSB increment I set up a 1080p render of the model. After each successive restart and FSB change I rendered the scene and recorded the time to render one frame and the maximum temperature reached. Note I am using a Cryo LX.

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    The image has been cropped and scaled down to fit the forum.

    The resulting render times show that the advantage to overclocking even with a p8600 is very beneficial. Taking the FSB up to 1333 allows for an overall reduction of render times by almost 23%! Now if only I can figure out how to turn these 280s into quadros :)

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    Hope this helps someone out there.
     
  2. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    nice research. Rep.
     
  3. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    just flash them with the quadro 3700m bios :)
     
  4. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    you can do that?
     
  5. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    yes the gtx 280 is a quadro 3700m :p

    nvidia rebranded it
     
  6. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    I bet it would not work with SLI though.
     
  7. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    ... It will

    Wether you can sli quadros is beyond me ...

    I see no issue why it would not work ... My 260 will show up as a quadro 3700m if I flash it :p
     
  8. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    Well my buddy has a precision m6400 I bet I could grab the bios off his quadro. What program would I use for that?
     
  9. Kevinmcg

    Kevinmcg Notebook Deity

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    Next thead to see "I Bricked my gtx 280m"
     
  10. The_Moo™

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    Gpu -z

    Not 100% on this but you can flash it back no harm done

    save your current bios to
     
  11. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    hahah I hope not :)
     
  12. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    Even if he did just switch to the 9400 and flash back to stock

    win/win
     
  13. Kevinmcg

    Kevinmcg Notebook Deity

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    Yeah, Fact. I was going to suggest maybe doing one but i guess you got that covered with the 9400
     
  14. The_Moo™

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    I would love to see this happen :)

    So op when ever you come back hope we get the ball rolling
     
  15. DR650SE

    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    Nice research. Now you should OC your GPU and see how that chart changes ;)
     
  16. Kevinmcg

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    I think he should try changing bios it would have the biggest affect i think.
     
  17. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    Unfortunately with rendering the only factor seems to be the cpu and ram, unless you are using the Nvidea cuda render galleto. The GPU's only handle the view ports. If I had quadros the texture would show up as well as the lighting effects in real time in the perspective viewport instead of just being gray.
     
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    Explosivpotato Notebook Consultant

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    Now go get a quad and crank it up and watch those numbers really fall!
     
  19. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    I would, but I cant justify the expense, stupid college :)

    Moo,

    I have backed up my bios with GPU-Z and my buddy is emailing me a copy of his quadro 3700 bios now. What program is the best to do a flash, NiBiTor or nvFlash? Should I do just one or both to start out?
     
  20. Explosivpotato

    Explosivpotato Notebook Consultant

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    nibitor is just an editor. nvflash is what you want.
     
  21. maxwell36

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    hehe, shows how much I know. Thanks :)
     
  22. The_Moo™

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    Nvflash and make a USB dos disc

    gonna take trial and error here. I'm not the best at flashing gpus and their options.

    I can do it though, soviet sunrise- kaltmond - and a few others can offer more but all you do is

    nvflash.exe rom.rom

    but since you have sli I don't remember how to specify which gpu. Which is where soviet can help.
     
  23. Soviet Sunrise

    Soviet Sunrise Notebook Prophet

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    The GTX 280M and the FX 3700M are indeed the same card and can cross flash each others' BIOS. But there is one thing that sets the two apart: the FX 3700M has a little switch embedded in the hardware (that we can't change) that unlocks the remaining features for OpenGL. The GTX 280M has this switch locked so even if you try to flash the FX 3700M BIOS onto it, which you safely can, one cannot fully utilize all of the features of a real Quadro card. Yes, you can still use the GTX 280M flashed to FX 3700M to accelerate your workstation apps, but the programs that require those remaining features won't be able to use them because the card has it locked.

    Also, the FX 3700M has memory rated for 900MHz while the GTX 280M has memory rated for 1000MHz.
     
  24. Soviet Sunrise

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    thanks for aswering the call soviet

    I would bet 10$ that a quadro MXM 3.0b would work in there

    maybe the 3800m :p
     
  26. Soviet Sunrise

    Soviet Sunrise Notebook Prophet

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    No problem. Just give me a ring if you need anything.

    Yes, it will work just fine. The system BIOS has the microcode for the G92b and that's all it needs, on the software side, to accept the card. Whether the card itself is a GTX 280M or a FX 3700M is irrelevant. The same goes for the GTX 285M and the FX 3800M, or even the 8800M GTX. As long as the card is a G92 and is in MXM 3.0 it will work.
     
  27. The_Moo™

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    exactly, its why the m15x (area 51) could use it and the sager m somthing :p
     
  28. Soviet Sunrise

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    Oh, maxwell36. May I ask you for a copy of your FX 3700M BIOS? The FX 3700M BIOS's I have now are for MXM 2.1 cards and I can't use them on my MXM 3.0 GTX 280M. I'm going to be doing a bit of CAD for my senior project this semester and the extra performance boost would really help.
     
  29. maxwell36

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    Sure thing man, I appreciate your help. I need to call and bug my friend about sending it, I think he forgot. When I have It I will pm you and send it through email.
     
  30. granyte

    granyte ATI+AMD -> DAAMIT

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    well it does because you are not using the gpu much to render

    i remember lightwave had an option to use my old ati 9600 mobility to help the rendering i could render a scene in less then a minute (depending on what i put on it)
     
  31. Soviet Sunrise

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    Every bit of performance counts with my formal work. I won't be fooling around as much this semester so I might as well turn my GTX 280M into a FX 3700M too while I'm at it. If I'm lucky and I get the last two classes I need, I might just graduate this semester, and top 25 in the engineering department too.
     
  32. maxwell36

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    Thanks, maxwell36. I'll flash this on my card later. +1 rep for you.
     
  34. ronnieb

    ronnieb Representing the Canucks

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    Let me know how this goes!
     
  35. Soviet Sunrise

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    Strange. The flash didn't work. The Quadro BIOS gave me a black screen and I had to force flash back to my GeForce BIOS. I guess my Clevo can't take the FX 3700M BIOS. Oh well.
     
  36. Soviet Sunrise

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    I have overlooked a crucial detail. The FX 3700M on the Dell M6400 does not follow MXM 3.0 standards and will not be able to function properly on our cards. The BIOS on the Dell card is coded to handle that card specifically. Even the physical shape of the card is different. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nvidia-Quadro-1...emQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item27ade37b7c

    Unless you like looking at black screens, do not flash the FX 3700M BIOS. It will only work on another M6400.
     
  37. The_Moo™

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    You need the vbios kaltmond had ... Try him soviet
     
  38. maxwell36

    maxwell36 Notebook Consultant

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    awww bummer