I found 17" little for me.

Hi guys, i’ve an Aw 17 R1 with FullHD screen. I’ve noticed that if I drop the resolution, the games doesn’t scale. Let me explain: the visible area remain the same but the lower resolution gives worst image, like not focused. I think it’s by design.


I’ve found the 17” fullHD a little for me. When I put an external monitor 22”, I feel my eyes with less fatigue. In Windows there isn’t problem, cause I put bigger font, but with games it seems the screen ratio remain the same. Do you have any solution? Or I gonna use external monitor forever


If I buy an Aw13 it will be worst situation? Cause I’ve seen some video where 13” scale with games. Explain: the words in a videogame have the same size in 17” and 13” (same resolution). So it’s seem the 13” act as a “zoom”.

 

Yes, unfortunately it is by design. If you lower the resolution the quality will become worse. But I think this applies to all monitors If I understand you correctly.

I couldn't agree more. Full HD resolution for 17" isn't even satisfying let alone below, like you said 22" monitor is perfect for fhd. I really find fhd res unnecessary for below 21.5"-22" monitors. If I don't put bigger font, my eyes are probably gonna blind. Way too small for me. Also, the details are much more detailed in 22" than 17".

But I didn't encounter small fonts in games after setting Windows font bigger (%125 ratio, I use W7). Edit: So sorry, I forgot that I actually encountered that problem in MANY GAMES. Some of them are Witcher 2, Dragon Age Origins-Inquisition, Paradox Games in general (Crusader Kings II, EU3-4, VIC2, HoI3), FM2015, GTA V (need to adjust hud and subtitle location to play in fhd), CoH2 etc. I have to run them below fhd res (1600x900 ideal, sometimes 1366x768. Witcher 2 for example) in order to read properly because the fonts are way too small for me. Good thing is though, lower res for these games still give pleasant quality (nowhere like mud) and I can max graphics settings due to lower resolution's demand. 1600x900 could've been perfect resolution for my GT70 barebone.

 

The AW 13 will likely have the same situation. My recommendation is to use an external monitor to fit your needs.

 

I don't think a smaller laptop will help you out, given that you are viewing on a smaller screen. That might cause more fatigue.

 

I think 1366x768 or 1600x900 was better for a 17". The actual trend is FullHd everywhere, but i disagree.

 

I found 1920x1080 FullHD resolution already small on massive 18.4 inch M18xR1 screen and I think that you're right. FullHD is just too small for normal use on 17", you are forced to use DPI scaling which still gives a lot of problems in Windows because of very old C++ written applications that are like dinosaurs. Newly designed programs using C#, Java, Python or even new C++ GUI libraries gives program ability to scale with the resolution and it's getting more and more popular but very slowly.

There's a trend on the market (mainly from phones) to put very high resolution in small dimension screens and you see how it looks. It can be nice for a little while but in longer use it's just annoying.

On very big (as for laptop) 18.4 inch screen it's already hard to see any pixel but there are even 15" laptops with FullHD screens. That looks amazing but only for the poeple that does not own that screens. Im satisfied with this screen but if Dell would put 2560x1440 in this laptop I would not recommend buying it.

I hope that this post will help you understand the market.

Regards

 

I'm actually very pleased with 1080p on 17 and 18 inch laptop screens. It seems perfect to my eyes on screens of this size, but 2560x1440 is definitely too much for such as small display.

It's completely insane that they are selling 3K and 4K laptops with even smaller screens. I have used them and trying to read text is absolutely miserable. Scaling text up to readable size ruins the quality and essentially defeats the purpose of having the higher resolution. Some of these engineering decisions like that are clearly not given adequate thought. But, there were a number of Retina-envying cry-babies whining for higher than 1080p on laptops and most of them didn't really know what they were asking for... well, some of them have it now and it's (predictably) more of a curse than a blessing.

 

I think is a dpi problem. With my 22" (1680x1050) i have 0,26 dpi, meanwhile on 17" (1920x1080) i have 0,19
So i think i have to go to a 24" minimum for a comfort view on FulHd.

About phones: yes is the phone trend that push the market over too high resolution. It's marketing.

 

Did you try 125% or 150% scaling in Windows?

 

I think more than 100% scaling looks horrible (personal opinion) in Windows because text does not fit within dialogue boxes, fixed application windows and menus where it should, often truncates, etc. And you lose screen real estate because virtually everything becomes a space hog. That's one of the serious usability problems we can expect trying to use insane (over 1080p) display resolutions on tiny (smaller than 17 inch) laptop, tablet and smart phone displays.

What has worked fairly well for me is using different fonts and increasing font size slightly rather than skewing everything with scaling. To my own eyes, "Sans" fonts with smoothed or rounded corners (i.e. Arial, Tahoma, MS Sans Serif) seem to be more readable at smaller sizes on a computer screen than "Serif" fonts with sharp pointed corners (i.e. Times New Roman). You can further tweak font size without scaling and use icon spacing to help keep things in perspective. I'm able to make 1080p look pretty nice, maintain viewing comfort and clarity even on a minuscule 15 inch display by adjusting fonts and icon spacing instead of scaling.

Most of this is easy to do in Windows 7 and older, but a lot of UI customization functionality was discarded by Micro$haft with Windows 8 and newer. There are third-party utilities for Windows 8 and newer that help restore some of the customization the misguided jugheads thought were not necessary features.

 

No problem here with 17.3" @ 1080p... It's actually perfect for me... 3K/4K screens on 15.6" screens will not be a good idea IMO and even on 17.3" anything above 1440p/3K is more then enough for me..

 

Yes and 125% works perfectly for me. But the problem still remain for games. A lot of them doesn't feel the Windows Font settings.

 

And they won't because many games still use 2007 era C++ GUI libraries. Most games are still written using obsolete technology because there are experienced programmers that know it. No one want to teach new programmers in order to gain experience because $$$$$$$$

New games written in new languages or using modern C++ libraries are still rare but more and more common every year (Pillars of Eternity is written in C#)

 

I Will go for an external monitor. At least 24". But I've preferred to use only the laptop cause the general feeling is very good.

 

I have also a MacBook Pro 13" (late 2009). It has 1280x800 and i don't have any problem. The resolution fit perfectly with a 13".

I'm very disappointed. Actually i'm using an external mouse/keyboard/monitor with my Aw17. So maybe was better to buy an Aw13 cause i don't use the more space offered by 17" screen.

 

If you were going to buy the AW13, it would have been with the awful 768p panel.
I think there's a 900p panel for the 17 R1, though.

 

Yes, but i've read the 768p is very bad quality. I think is not a great problem cause i use an external monitor