Intel Annonced the I7 Extreme for September

Intel just annonced the I7 Extreme @ 2ghz will be available late September. I am still within my 21 days from invoice date with my All Powerful M17X. Should I return it and wait?

Will the I7 extreme at 2ghz be really worth it?

Anyone that has an input on this can write on this thread.

 

will if you want the M17x i wouldn't cancel, i really doubt the M17x is going to support the I7 as it uses a completely different socket type then the current motherboard supports.

but if you plan to go with another model then if you really want an I7 then cancel, but i wouldn't cancel basing off something that is coming in the future as that will always be the case and an order will never be placed due to something else that will come out 3 months after that.

Edit: my stupidity caused me not to see that you already have the M17x and asking if you should return it

 

No I would not consider another computer than the new M17X. It is really the best gaming PC out there. There is no questions about it.

I only have two complains about this PC though:

1. No LED Screens
2. The touch buttons are cheap and look fragile.

Otherwise, it is amazing. Nonetheless Dell almost always has adapted designs very quickly when new processor where coming out. I doubt that the M17X does not adopt the i7 close to the time it comes out. They probably have the new architecture running at AW for the M17X.

 

If you want to wait to at least Q3 next year for a i7 capable notebook with SLI you can cancel...

EDIT: NO for the last time M17X DON'T SUPPORT I7 AND ISN'T GOING TO.

It's completely different platform and they r not going to re-project the whole notebook 3 months after the launch.

 

^^^

What he said

 

Maybe, maybe not. I know AW was always behind in terms of bringing new processors into their notebooks but Dell is usually quite quick about this. I wonder if their All Powerful product line they are going to wait that long.

That being said, the purpose of the thread was not to speculate on when it will come out but if from prelim bench there is a huge difference that makes it a must have i7 compared to a QX9300.

 

Joe, with all due respect you talking out ur Backside, the m17x is not even close to being able to support the i7 it would require a major rework. New mobo new cooling new psu it's out of the question it's not just a bios flash

it will be the m17x replacement which does ie: the one I'm waiting for

 

Ok, fine but in terms of performance what are we looking at. Will it be really worth it or not? Is it a revolution in CPUs like many say or just a good evolution?

 

The i7 extreme will only be at 2.0 GHz?You're kidding right?If it is only at 2GHz, I assume by ''extreme'' we can overclock this thing to 4.4 Ghz Right???

Right???

 

It wont be worth it, unless there is ALSO a huge advance in graphics - which in the next 3 months, there wont be (unless someone pulls their head out of their a$$es and gets a 4870 with gddr5 to market).

Considering that it will probably be a pretty expensive platform as well - since there aren't going to be any lower end chips for a base config like there is for montevina right now, I would definitely say wait and see at least. You can just (re) purchase an m17x in October for less if the difference isn't worth it. That is, if you have something to hold you over until then.

So to sum up, worth waiting for - maybe. Worth buying - probably not.

 

If you're going to game, the i7 sucks (ok it doesn't suck but it won't be better than the QX9300). The i7 will only be better for you if you do graphic design and rendering and that sort of work. And just because it has extreme, doesn't make it more overclockable, it just unlocks the multiplier. With the high TDP, unless you have a massive cooler, I doubt you will see insane OCs anyways.

 

I think the last two answers confirms some prelim benchmark I've seen online.

I'll just keep my current M17X. I just wish I could get a better screen an LED LCD...

 

combination of the 5 series cards + i7 will beat the Qx9300 with a GTX200 series card imo

as by the time mobile I7 really comes to market we should be looking at the 5 series ATI cards

 

Considering how poor the availability for 4k series cards is, I wouldn't hold my breath. They have only been promised since when, December? To be downgraded then canceled outright. And we have seen nothing new in a while.... When buying a laptop, pick what you need from what is there NOW, not what will come out.

If i7 in a laptop is very important to you, just get a Clevo D900F - it has i7 and upgradeable graphics (albeit only 1 gpu).

 

TBH i7 in desktop isn't a good idea (I'm waiting on i9 to build a new desktop) and the mobile ones clocked at 2.0 is a joke.

Pick the M17x now and u will have a good laptop for a long time.

You guys look for more performance than really need

 

I would be more than happy to swap my QX9300 for the new mobile i7 extreme. Yall have no clue...

 

I'm pretty certain that would be a performance downgrade

..with more heat

 

I second that

 

They say the extreme version can OC to 3ghz in Turbo mode without increasing TDP, though it's only 1 core OC'd to that, and the other cores are at lower speeds.

 

the qx9300 and a I7 @ 2.0 would be similiar in performance with probably the qx9300 having a slight advantage. I7 as currently is more than likely will not be worth it, giving the trade offs of more heat, higher power needs etc. I'd probably wait for the second generation for laptops. Desktops on the other hand is a different story.

 

There is really no point in oc'ing one core though, unless you are only running apps that use one core. That will be useless for multi threaded apps for the most part

 

Exactly, and it only lets you OC one core.

The i7 is definately not worth waiting for until around the third generation (for the mobile platform). There have been many threads created about this subject, and I completely understand, rightfully so, but there is a heavy discussion concerning this matter right here-> [Click Me]

Good source of information for those of you stuck on deciding whether to get this laptop or not considering the launch of mobile i7s..when the first generation wont even be available on Alienware computers till mid next year, let alone the third.

 

Yeah Clarksfield Quads will overclock one core 7 multiplier steps or two cores 4 steps and shut off the other cores that aren't being used. A feature that becomes less useful if apps are programmed to take advantage of multiple cores.

Tests of the desktop Lynnfield vs the Q9650 haven't really impressed me.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3570&p=10

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14248/35/


The Fudzilla article shows that Intel claims a 9 to 62% increase in performance over a C2Quad at the same clock speeds however I'd personally throw out that 62% increase in 3Dmark Vantage since it's a dubious test where only the CPU score was compared. That leaves a 9 to 24% increase from a 2.93Ghz Lynnfield over a 3Ghz Q9650.

But then again we're taling about how a 2Ghz 55 Watt Clarksfield compares to a 45 Watt 2.53Ghz C2Quad...


Maybe I'll get interested after the Westmere/Sandy Bridge die shrink to 32-nm.

 

I've been saying the same thing for a while now I've even been in a few arguments over this as well. Anyone with a QX9300 or even a Q9200 will be good to go for quite some time. I don't see mobile i7 offering anything worth the cost until maybe gen 2, gen 1 mobile i7's just wont be worth the cost to performance ratio, and with a 65w TDP the extreme chip is going to be a warm one, and its not going to be over clocking as much as people want to think it will.

 

i honestly have yet to find a game that bottlenecks my CPU

riddle me that

 

well i dont think its worth paying so much money to change from a pair of 3870's to a pair of 280's

just not worth it for that upgrade, which in effect is the only real difference

will wait for a more impressive upgrade

 

Deep blue

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??? .......

 

..Im confused as well xD

 

He is making reference to the IBM chess computer.

 

And in some cases, I remember reading that the Core 2 outperformed the i7

 

OOOOOoooo000000...

 

I think Moo's quote says it all really. The truth is there is nothing out there that actually bottleneck the QX9300 at least in terms of gaming therefore I have my answer. No it's not worth waiting.

Though I still think we will see it in the M17X sooner than some of you say here.

We should make some bets...

 

make a bet they will rewire the entire laptop?

new psu needed
new mobo needed
new cooling
new internl layout as the heatsink will be considerably larger

i would willingly bet the m17x will never get an i7 cpu

the next gen after the m17x will be the i7

 

Only thing im concerned about with the M17x is getting new Video cards , CPUs i have no interest in . i love my i7 desktop but beyond the video encoding i do it does not bring anything new to the table for me and i wont be encoding on my laptop so Core2Quad will be just fine for quite sometime .

Cant blame others though who are getting excited just because its new tech in a mobile platform and sometimes thats enough for some people regardless of performance .

 

yes, it's the gddr5 cards that will make the difference for us, whether it is ati or nvidia.

 

3xx nvidia series ftw

...I just hope it stays MXM 3b

 

i7 is the perfect match for QuadSLI and Quadfire setup. I can tell you that the difference at 2560x1200 for game like supreme commander and GTA4 is HUGE!!! Because this GPU power "starts", I really mean "starts" to use i7 amazing raw power. However an i7 for a G92b??????!!!! NO POINT!
2.4 ghz C2duo will be more than enough for the most extreme overclock on a 280mSLI setup.
So in my opinion, EVEN if Nvidia managed to bring the power of a GTX280 desktop in a latptop : Still it won't start to bottelneck C2duo architecture. It will be the limit... And GT300 Desktop will probably require i5, i7 in SLI to shine but its mobile countrer part will be at light years away...
So enjoy the M17x today! And save for a whole year to its successor.

 

I agree, for the graphics cards we will see for a while, the qx9300 is more than enough cpu power. The m17x AP is a very sound purchase that you wont have to regret at all. (kind of wish I had one instead of my whitebook at times)

 

Yes, I think we all agree now. The true question is going to be is the GDDR5 GPU coming out hopefully in the next 6 months will be MXM 3b? If not I think a lot of people would be truly mad for sure...

We will have information on these cards in the next few months, let's just hang in there and watch what Nvidia and ATI is preparing...