Killer Notebooks version of the M17 ATI HD 4870?

According to an email from Mark over at Killer Notebooks he has told me that he is able to install a 4870 card instead of dual 3870's. I did not ask about dual 4870's as my needs do not require that much power and I much prefer 1 faster card than dual slower cards. I know this has been a heated topic over here if the M17 chassis would ever be able to receive the 4870. Well the Killer Notebook version has a heatsink that is heavily modified and adds i believe 10" of surface area to the copper for the cpu and gpu pulling out much more heat than the other versions of this notebook which I'm assuming allows him to provide enough heat dissipation to do this. I will be placing an order for this as soon as the funds allow me so I guess I'll let everyone know how well it does.

 

AW will have 4870's as well

 

Assumption.

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Zfactor may say other wise

zfactor said according to his sources AW will have exclusive to the 4870 with ddr5

AW has stated they have them and already have a product number for them

 

I seem to recall a while back AW said they had 8800M GTX's for the M9750 and we all know where that went

 

whitebook reseller didn't say they had them

 

show us the modify heatsink of the nagamaki. That I known of the only difference atm is the holes in the bottom of the chassis. Though is possible that he's going to mod the heatsinks. He have made it in other models.
4870 does not consume more power. 10ºC in the gpu is acceptable, this is, it will work and boot and all that. I see no reason to not having a crossfire 4870 option.

 

Does that mean Whitebook will not be able to take HD4870 Mobility? How about GTX280M, FX3700M and...?

 

the whitebook can take a 280m gtx but not SLI

and it means it will have them

 

If it's just one then it's not as good as NP8662...@_@''

 

it can only fit 1 Nvidia card

 

1 4870 or 1 280M still isn't topping CF 3870 though. 2 4870 would be impressive..

 

W90vp is already up for you to get into with two 4870s. If GTX 280M is close enough, which I believe so, then it's not really worth getting two only if you wanna max out all the games with AAs...

 

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the w90 has 2 4870 but they are not 4870's they are 4850's.

we are talking about 4870 DDR5

 

the w90vp has GDDR5 4870's?

 

halo did you read what i wrote? i said 4850's

 

Well you really have to get the real thing to compare coz I don't think it's more of a difference if they don't change the core clock. Core clock is way more important than the memory bandwidth when HD4870 mobility is already a top notch...

 

I know you can get crossfire 4870's in another notebook but I like the look of this notebook. I asked AW if they could do it and I keep getting the answer of yea eventually and they've been saying that for months. KN is ready to put them in now and i could have 2 in crossfire but i don't want to pay that much for 2 4870's when 1 will be enough for the types of games i play which will mainly be starcraft 2 and diablo 3. I'm 27 years old and I like my old games. Blizzard stuff, Heroes of might and magic, Age of Empires, i HATE first person shooters cannot stand to play them, the only 1 i ever liked was goldeneye 007 for n64 that game was king. I do run video game emulators as well. Basically what I'm getting at is 1 4870 is all I need really 1 3870 is probably all I need but I'll feel better with a 4870.


As far as seeing the heat mods. I specifically asked him if the nagamaki had the heat mods featured on the site or if it was just the holes and he says the copper is completely all reworked like on the site and includes the extra holes as well too. Maybe at first they weren't shipping like that but they are now according to Mark. I am sold with this company. No other company have i ever been able to directly email the person who will be building my notebook. You just can't compare that service to anyone. I mean he gave me his cell number, what more can you ask for?

 

thank you for the info and the 4870's you will be getting will be around 30% faster then theirs

 

The way I see it, Nvidia is the king of real world gaming performance, and ATI is king of the benchmarks, I would rather have Nvidia cards because they are better for gaming and have better driver support.

 

The color changing paint is awesome too

 

From what I've seen lately, I disagree.

 

I prefer the price of ATI mobile cards and the driver support of Nvidia mobile cards.

I'll go with whatever is more powerful at the moment.

From what I've seen one 280M GTX do, I'm glad A.W. is offering two of them in SLI.

EDIT:Wow, after two hours or "404" I'm finally able to load this site again. Woo-hoo!

 

Btw Rob I've been meaning to point out to you that you've been missing an "n".

 

Yeah I would like the price of an ATI card on an Nvidia card, and also what games did ATI beat out Nvidia laptop wise? I have consistently seen Nvidia topping ATI in regards to real world gaming performance.

 

all this talk of the new 48xx series with gddr5 and corssfire is becomeing dull.
this "has been in the works" for some time now with no confirmed availability or even the option to upgrade.

sorry to say, but this should be a dead issue until AW can get out from the BS bin, and provide the cards for a change.

(maybe with the new unit, but given the hoopla over it and 'supposed' specs, it seems futile to expect it)

 

Thanks man! I'll change it right now if the page will load. lol

 

http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/review-msi-gt725q-9047vhp-intel-q9000-909/2

and considering they used the older drivers (catalyst 8.6) on the GT725, the performance for a game like Call of Duty 5 would improve dramatically. Also, in the Sager section, we see that a single GDDR3 based 4870 is about 1fps shy of a GTX 280M (in a i7 system too) in Crysis at High settings and actually beats the GTX 280M at very high settings. In Far Cry 2, even dual 3870s were edging out dual 9800M GTs (not GTSes) when settings were maxxed out, and this was without the multicore optimizations as well.

Notebook also did a comparison with a GTX 280M and a Mobility 4870 GDDR3 (they downclocked a desktop 4850 to mobility clocks) and although the ATi solution beat the GTX 280M in older games, the GTX 280M won 5 out of the 9 newer games they tested.

Interestingly enough, MSI is coming out with the GT729. It's still a mobility 4850, but only difference is that it has 1gb of memory rather than 512mb seen in the current ATi lienups. That card would be a more direct comparison with the current nVidia high end lineup.

Yeah, I agree. Was supposed to come out in March, then moved it to April, May, etc. Seems doubtful that we'll see a GDDR5 anytime soon. Still keeping my system though seeing that I haven't encountered a game that requires more graphics horsepower than I have.

 

MR Moo sow what wold it be faster ?

qx9300 280m sli VS qx9300 4870 gddr5 x2 ?

 

I would say the 4870 GDDR5 x2 would be faster.

 

THANK YOU for not saying ,god bless,
so as i see it there are some issues with crossfire ddr5 4870 in M17
what about single 4870?
how much would be the upgrade over a single 3870

 

Based on the benchmarking of desktop GDDR5 4870's, I am not seeing massive improvement over 4870's GDDR3 unless AW is willing to serious clock the memory where GDDR5 starts to shine.

I've half jokingly said before we won't see the 4870's for the M17, but now it is moving from half joking to being serious. With the new APM17x and the lower pricing of the M17, I see the M17 staying as is and becoming the entry level 17" gaming rig (at least till demand dies) like the 9750 and its CPU options being limited on purpose and the APM17x becoming their flag ship. A 15" refresh for more mobility minded users would be nice.

The M17/OCZ produces some serious heat and the fans are on a lot and the noise level is high compared to the W90Vp. Here's hoping the APM17x doesn't suffer the same heat/space/noise issues as the M17.

Check over the 280M Vantage GPU scores and you see 280M = 9800M GTX = 4870 GDDR3. If there is a performance difference at stock, it is marginal at best. This is excluding how some games are optimized for certain cards.
At the end of the day, the 280M/9800M GTX/4870 are in a different league than the 3870's.

3Dmark06 is dead. Let it die. GPU wise, it has hit a wall scaling wise with the newer cards and is too CPU bound in situations that skew the scores. Using actual game play AND Vantage GPU will give you a much clearer picture. Newsflash: it is 2009.

 

well i hope your wrong bud, thatl be total bs if it were true.

only thing is to wait and see if any other vendors get 4870 into the flextroncis shell if they do we ok if they dont then were not.... me personally i think m17 may get possiblity of 4870 but you may have to purchase a new heatsink+fan assembly to go with the new card, so it would be sold together.

but like everybody here says its all heresay and theirs not a secure yes or no on whats happening with theese cards,, im bit puzzled that nobody has manged to get hold of an asus and rip the card out of one yet to see if they work or not.

 

The main reason i could still see them putting 4870s into the M17 is so they have offerings for both partys , The ATI crowd and the Nvidia crowd , from that standpoint it would make sense.

 

True Quad, but depending on profit margins, the M17 might threaten the APM17x's positioning. I just see them positioning the APM17x as their flagship 17" gaming model with a clear distinction with the M17 being their entry level/cheaper platform.

I think you will see some of the high end processor options for the M17 disappearing too and being exclusive for the APM17x

As for the 4870 options for the M17, if AW fails to deliver, hopefully Asi will deliver or another 3rd party (KN?) will offer an option so owners of the Arima 840 chassis can upgrade their GPU sub-system, but even with 3870's, the M17/OCZ ran awfully hot compared to other platforms. I mean, it ran great. No overheating on the cards or CPU, but the smaller, more shallow chassis just produced a lot of heat even under small to moderate load. If they do get some 4870's in the 840 chassis going, those fans are going to be going bonkers.

The M15x (and any subsequent refreshes) will be for the more mobile crowd.

 

Yeah i read your stories about the fan activity from the OCZ you had i had the Alienware 9750 a year ago and that thing would blast some good heat from the back end but the fan noise was somewhat tolerable with the 2x7950gtxs but it was still a tad busy keeping it cool. Obviously though if they release the 4870s they would have to come with all new heatsinks id imagine or have the Dieshrunk enough where the step up in power wouldnt create anymore heat then the current 3870s do. After all these months with all the talk of the 4870s though the chances just get slimmer IMHO by the day , especially with all these new machines coming .

 

If you want an m17 with crossfire 4870's email mark at killer notebooks and he can custom build it. The price will most likely be really really high for the custom work he does but if you really want that laptop with that hardware gotta pay the price. I'm sure there are more economical options but if you want that exact laptop and that exact configuration you're gonna pay no doubt.

 

I don't believe that the 4870 produce more heat and consume more power then the current 3870...

 

I don't believe in New Jersey.

 

So does anyone know when the m17 will get the 4870's?

 

We've been waiting and expecting them for several months, but there still is nothing official about them from A.W.

 

ati said it was going to be released in dec. and there has been threads and thread and thread and post and post and newer laptops. and awhole lot more and nothing.


mr moo. i know zfactor produced the results but he said maybe.

 

What? 7 MONTHS until the m17 gets the 4780's?

 

no we don't know the release date.

 

Why did you say 7 months then?

 

december gone i think he was refering too!!!

 

yeah sorry for not being detailed about it. but it has been since dec 08 when ati/flex was going to release this and still nothing.

 

Because Don posted that AW said it would be released in december which is seven months from now, but he misunderstood that it was supposed to be last december of 08.

 

I'll be pretty mad if AW don't release the 4870s.

In my opinion, they would be stupid not to. If they had two high performance notebooks appealing to both nVidia and ATi fans out there, they'd get a lot more business, I think. There are ATi fans out there who would buy the M17 for the 4870s.

 

then again, if the the m17 gets the 4870's, that will hinder m17x sales because of price/performance between the two they offer.....they may wait longer so m17x sells alot