Liteonit lmt-64m6m mSATA 64gb Issue (running at 3.0Gb / s)

Liteonit lmt-64m6m mSATA 64gb Issue (running at 3.0Gb / s)

My liteonit lmt-64m6m mSATA 64gb started with and go half speed (about 278MB / s) for reading. It looks like it's not running at 6.0GB / s but has started and running at 3.0Gb / s. I have tested my mSATA several times with AS SSD and Crystal Disk Mark, sometimes it can go at full speed, but now it looks like it only running at 3.0Gb / s speed all the time. What could this be? Firmware on my Liteonit is vesjon: DM6110f and I use IRST 12.8.0.1016. It has been this way for a while now. Are there any bugs with this 64gb mSATA drive. For clarity I do not use CASHE function. Uses 1 x 512GB samsung 850 pro, 1pc OCZ vector 256 as well. All disks run separately. I think I have the latest firmware on this disk from Dell. In irst it is listed with 3.0Gb / s speed while both Samsung and OCZ has been recorded with 6.0GB / s speed. What could be the problem? Hoping for some help.

 

Now I restarted my pc, and checked IRST software (12.8.0.1016) Then my mSATA drive listed with 6GB speed again. Then I ran it at full speed again (510 mb / sec) With as ssd. This is very strange because I never have this problem with my 2 ssd drives.

Edit: Now I restarted my pc 2nd time. Same result. (6GB / s and normal speed = 511mb / s) Strange.

 

It could be some of that lovely "efficient" technology trash causing it. Disable Intel Link Power Management and that may resolve it for you. That pile of crap often causes SSDs to slow down to conserve power utilization. If you cannot find the setting in the BIOS, you can disable it in Intel RST. If that still does not stop the nonsense from taking place, you can tweak the registry (that's how I do it) to permanently to "break" the technology so there is no SATA port power management garbage option available (runs SATA ports at full power 24/7).

Download LPM Tweak for SATA Ports 0 through 4

 

Mr Fox
You are a living encyclopedia. I will look at this. Why they applying such a crap on a pc?. :thumbsup:

 

Fix SSD Hanging/Freezing/Slowdown - Disable Intel Link Power Management [120Hz.Net - HyperMatrix] - YouTube This 1 ?
Should it be disabled or enabled in the irst (performance tab)

 

First thing that popped in my mind when I saw this is... why in the world do u have the IRST app installed when you are not RAIDing nor using the mSATA cache (which you shouldn't offcourse because that will slow you down since your 850 pro is way faster)??

All you need to do next time you install Windows is update the IDE/ATA controller from device manager by manually pointing it to the INF driver folder inside the IRST driver. Additionally, the IRST driver you are using is the best one I've tested them all.

Also ensure your mSATA liteon ssd has the latest firmware or better yet, buy a real mSATA drive like the Samsung 840 EVO or the Crucial one.

I don't have much experience with that liteon SSD because the first thing I did when I bought my laptop is take that low end drive out and toss it in the garbage and replaced it with a 1 TB 840 EVO mSATA that gave me excellent speeds every time.

 

It should be "Disabled" to turn it off.

 

Hi I have already do that thank you

 

Did it resolve your problem, or it is still having issues? Did you also use the registry tweak?

 

Hello
I uninstall irst 12.8.0.1016 and Installing the driver 13.2.4.1000. Does not seem to have any problems and now is, when the mSATA disk shows 6GB / s and it has good speed reading 516mb / s. I think the problems started after installing samsung magician software (adjusted os optimization) I Would not use perforrmance adjustment in the magician, I would have custom adjustment in samsung magician (I hate hibernation) I should get an introduction to how to use registry tweak (Download LPM Tweak for SATA Ports 0 through 4), then I can not anything about this. I had been thankfulness if you could guided me with some pictures on how to do this. As you probably understand I'm not very good in English I do not know how to use tveak program you linked to. hope you have the opportunity. Thank you. Otherwise works my Alienware 17 good. I called Dell about the problem by the way, they insisted only and install windows again, as this was the only solution to the problem. I told them that Windows was on my one ssd and I have never had any problems with my ssd, the same applies to my OCZ SSD. It is only the small mSATA drive as kidding. I ran a clean new installations of windows 8.1 earlier in my new Samsung 850 pro and not upgraded from win 8. This is a cleaner installation this way I think. It's stupid solution and reinstall windows if you ask me. Provides me a new larger mSATA disk later when it comes out a new and improved version of Samsung(pro or other top-specific Version). thank you.


Edit: Now I have just received some help from Ferris23 with my problem through teamviever (Date for the help: 09.29.14). He used Mr Fox's tveak software, and update the IDE / ATA controller from device manager by Manually pointing it to the driver INF folder inside the IRST driver. He installed only irst driver and not the entire IRST app. But unfortunately it did not work as it should. MSATA drive was only at half speed (it went down in sata II speeds (3gb) = 278MB / s. MSATA drive would not go sata lll, so I reinstalled whole Irst app again included the entire the app. Then worked sata lll again full speed (over 500MB / s) Both my Samsung 850 and OCZ vector runs at maximum speed. Someone needs to find a solution to this error happens. But as I said everything works now as it should be, when I installed back all the IRST app. Make suggestions to me.
Thanks all for replies:hi2:

This is the final results when everything Works:

 

What is strange is, on my Windows 7 Alienware 18, I only install the IRST driver without the app and I know my mSATA 840 EVO 1TB IS running @ SATA III speeds because the benchmarks are where they should be. I was really confused as to why on his system we needed to install the entire IRST with the app, the driver by itself dropped his mSATA speeds to SATA II speeds.....

These are my Samsung 840 EVO 1TB benchmarks with the IRST 12.8.0.1016 driver only (no IRST app)

 

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Hey Ferris What do you think about the results I got on as ssd test after having reinstalled Irst driver with the app (12.8.0.1016) that I showed in my last post (10)? After that i reinstalled irst has everything worked as it should. I also have good results on my ocz vecktor. Remember that you certainly have a better score with win 7 instead of Win 8.1 that I use. I thought it was very strange this Irst problem. But it could be this small mSATA drive is not working properly. Should maybe check if others have problems with this mSATA drive.
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Here is something I found on the forum. http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...l-alienware-17-owner-s-lounge-thread-203.html

 

I'm not the best person to give you an opinion on what I think the performance of that mSATA is, you need to get it from someone with the same drive. I would never use such a small and low end drive in my high end system.

 

Is everything working correctly now?

You need the full Intel Rapid Storage Technology application to use it properly, including the ability to create an acceleration cache, manipulate RAID memberships and turn LPM on and off within Windows. It has too many useful features to not have it installed. I am still using 11.7.0.1013. RST version 12 sometimes doesn't work as well for me. I used it for a bit, and went back to 11.7.0.1013 because I felt it was more reliable.

The files I provided a link for download are registry tweaks. You simply double-click them to add the info to the registry for each SATA port.

If the drive is not staying at full speed it could be the drive itself. If disabling LPM does not keep it from dropping speed, try clearing your CMOS (the hard way with Haswell... pulling RAM to force it into flushing everything, same as clearing a soft brick on the Haswell machines). If it still drops to 3.0GB/s you probably need to look into a different brand. I have already seen two Lite-On mSATA SSD that have mysteriously died, including one of my own. (By "died" I mean no longer detected in the mSATA slot on any machine, and not detected in a USB-to-mSATA adapter that I have.) So, I have little faith in the quality of Lite-On mSATA.

 

Hey thanks for the feedback.
The mSATA drive is working exactly as it should with the entire Rapid Storage Technology application. This is ing weird. Have added LPM registry tweak on this laptop, but it does not work with just irst driver as we had hoped.
Personally I think it is the poor quality of this little Liteonit 64gb mSATA drive is the problem because it working so uneven with only IRST driver. Once I installs the full Intel Rapid Storage Technology application, working mSATA drive at max speed 6GB / s sata lll at every boot of my Laptop an for test. The two ssd drives I have in my pc there has been no nonsense with only the damn mSATA drive. I'm most likely to probably look into a different msata disk brand. I previously had 2 pieces vector OCZ 256GB SSD drives, but have replaced one with a new Samsung 850 pro (512GB) as the os disk. And both ssd drives delivers good speed, when you consider that i run Windows 8.1. I hope it will soon launch a new yummy 512GB mSATA drive that I'm thinking about buying. Have you any suggestion to buy a quick and good mSATA 512GB? It must be the absolute fastest and best mSATA drive sold in the shop. I use Irst 12.8.0.1016 full app right now, but how is Irst 11.7.0.1013 app compared with Win 8.1 ?

thanks

 

Hello
I was wondering what you also thought about my score on ssd drives? (Had certainly had higher scores with Win 7?)

 

The only SSDs that I can recommend based on personal experience now are Samsung and Corsair Neutron. I have both and they are excellent products. They are very high quality, extremely fast, and have a great warranty.

 

my 1TB 840 EVO mSATA has never failed me, gives me very good speeds actually better than the 2.5" 840 EVO 1TB that I had before.

 

Do you think there will be a Samsung 850 pro version or similar mSATA disk for sale?

 

no clue, I wish to be able to have an MLC based mSATA SSD from Samsung. I only buy Samsung drives and will not put anything other than Samsung SSDs in my system

 

Do you know which mSATA drive is the fastest drive sold as of today?

 

The 840 EVO 1TB

 

Now my mSATA disk dropped to sata II speed again instead of sata lll. I ran Windows Defragment and optimize your drives for my drives and I ran AS SSD test and found that the speed went down on my mSATA drive. Could it be because of Windows Defragment and optimize run, which was running on my mSATA drive? I'm beginning to believe it, and that this mSATA drive is very very poor that can not handle the optimization.

EDIT: Restarted my laptop again and mSATA drive went sata lll speed again. I'm pretty sure now that the mSATA drive does not tolerate changes as a disk optimization / change do with this mSATA drive. It looks like this LiteOn 64gb mSATA drive is not of very high quality (unstable).

 

Man, seriously, do yourself a favor and throw that crappy drive out, you have an Alienware, a premium laptop, buy an 840 EVO mSATA 1TB and end your headaches

 

Yes it is quite clear I should do, but why is DELL supplies such crap that I do not understand. Dell destroys the brand Alienware down in the mud and deliver such rubbish. :cry:

 

What controller are there in this Liteonit lmt-64m6m mSATA 64gb mSATA drive? Could it be a weak one?

 

because they just intended for this SSD to works as a caching SSD for systems supplied with an HDD as the main device, its size, speed, and specs are in no way meant for it to be as an *extra* drive/ SSD

If you want to use an extra SSD in the mSATA SSD, get a real one and stop wasting time on this useless junk.

I put mine up for sale 3 months back and haven't received a single call to buy it yet

 

Anyway Dell should be able to deliver something better than this . I will certainly not buy this (LIteOnit) brand. Never. I use it only for a few pictures and videos I'm not particularly afraid and lose. I have not bustling with and get me a new disk, I buy when I find a hefty one for a very good price. If I find info on what controller it is in my Liteonit msata disk, it should never be in my new mSATA disk.

This is what another user in this forum writes:

I think the new 17 mSATA 64 GB Liteon lmt-64m6m definitely has a problem with the firmware that limits to 3 Gb/s currently, I saw your alienware with Liteon 256 GB mSATA, and a different mSATA SSD Liteon 64 GB (m3m ?) with different firmware version than DM6110D currently on the new Liteon lmt-64m6m. I searched on DEL (by search part Liteon lmt), both of the 128 and 256 mSATA Liteon SSD with newer firmware update that might have the correct speed of SATA III 6 GB/s. As posted by user struselix, i do think DELL is using its OEM firmware (verson DM6110D) on lmt-64m6m with only 3 Gb/s. I cannot explain why user alienwolf (thanks for his help with screen capture) has shown the 6 Gb/s.. I have been trying quite a few ways of dealing this 3 Gb/s limitation on lmt-64m6m (as suggested disable LPM fix), no success, only one time very briefly shown as 6 Gb/s for the port 5 on 64 Gb mSATA, but consistently always goes back to 3 Gb/s.. There is huge difference between 6 Gb/s and 3 Gb/s speed on port 5 when having the OEM Liteon mSATA 64 GB model. The download link from from Liteon is broken, and actually it doesn't have the original firmware there for its mSATA 64m6m. I contacted Liteon tech support and was told since it is OEM and user needs to contact DELL. DELL should issue a firmware to take out the 3 Gb/s limitation on its OEM Liteon 64 GB mSATA (64m6m).

Or we need more user with the same mSATA Liteon lmt-64m6m to check the system and verify the 3 Gb/s limitation problem.

 

I think most people don't have a clue. Most people have very low technical skills and never check performance. In a cache acceleration scenario, the 3GB/s speed is just as good as 6GB/s for a mechanical HDD so it won't make any difference to the vast majority of users. I cannot test it for you because my Liteon mSATA crapped out. It definitely could be a firmware issue causing this problem, but the quality of the Liteon product in general seems questionable to me. I've never been impressed by anything their brand offers. They seem to manufacture products for budget-conscious shoppers that value economy over performance and quality.

 

The main reason I bought the small mSATA drive and 750GB Wd was that it was the cheapest option that dell had for my laptop. I found that it was much cheaper and buy my own SSD drives instead of and purchase from Dell (saved a lot of money). Then I could choose much better, faster SSD drives than what Dell had in their lineup. The 750GB WD Black drive is very good but not to such a PC, it is excellent for use in a USB storage device to use on the go. Western Digital Black is one of the better standard harddrives sold, so I can always use such a disk for other things and it is nice to have such a disk lying as a spare disk. I'm very, very glad that I chose not Dell's larger SSD and mSATA drives in my laptop, it is better to buy a reputable brand. .

As I said earlier is that Dell's technicians wanted me to reinstall Windows again (this is a windows problem they meant) I have never ever come to reinstall Windows to fix the problem with this mSATA drive, I'd rather throw it. I have no use for Dell's technicians, other than that they authorize repairs I'm doing while they are at my house and watching. This have they accepted both times they've hosted in my home for to fix my pc.

 

I'm a little spooked by TLC's inherent shortcomings in the 840 evo mSATA, and wonder if there are other alternatives to samsung 840 mSATA drive that is just lightning fast and of good quality?

 

Try anandtech, their review for the new Samsung EVO is favored to be *best* option.

 

What I am wondering if there is any MLC NAND based msata SSD that can be an alternative to Samsung 840 mSATA drive that is fast and of good quality.

 

Unfortunately, it appears the Corsair Neutron is not available as mSATA. That would have been your next best alternative.

Probably the best quality and fastest mSATA with MLC to compete with Samsung is the Mushkin Enhanced Atlas mSATA.

I have an older 120GB Mushkin Atlas and it's a rock-solid product.

 

It looks like the producers are not going to and invest so much in ordinary mSATA drives, but more of ssd in M.2 connector. Will take a look at your suggestion. Thanks

http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/mushkin-atlas-240gb-msata-ssd-review/ and http://www.thessdreview.com/our-rev...erformance-meets-capacity-in-the-ultra-world/

Ps: After I stopped and optimize this little mSATA drive with windows optimization (trim), the small mSATA drive use SATA3 (6GB / s) speed. It tolerates obviously not the optimization. :hi2:

 

The regular Atlas Measures 3mm in height while the Atlas 480GB mSATA SSD Measures 5mm.
Is there any problem and enter the largest in the Alienware 17, when it is a little thicker?
What about Intel's mSATA with MLC memory?

 

Updating my thread:
Now I have not used Windows' Defra / trim function on my little Liteonit mSATA disk over a month. I have not had problems with the speed of the mSATA drive has gone down in sata II speed. It is simply in a poor mSATA disk Dell uses in its high end laptop (Alienware). Although this small mSATA drive will be used only to cashe speed to a standard hd, they should not deliver such a rotten product that fails and keep sata lll speed. Their larger mSATA drives also deliver bad rate compared to a real brand SSD or mSATA.

 

I guess the mSata slot itself must be actually somewhat higher than the SSD to accomodate it so a ~2mm difference should be "ok".

 

It is difficult to select a mSATA drive that I want, as I want it to have MLC memory. Samsung 840 Evo is an ok mSATA disk, but it has not MLC memory

 

I guess we are worrying too much about the standard of the TLC here, It should be ok for a 4-5 years according to this atleast.

 

I have several computers so if I buy new and faster ssd / mSATA drives in the future, I have always a place for old disks. Quality lasts longest :thumbsup: