M14x/M17xR3/M18x - Wireless HD/SiBEAM discussion thread

1. It's an internal device

2. It does not come with a receiver. You'll need to purchase one through Dell or someone else. Dell offers a Vizio receiver.

3. I believe it is available after market. I'm not sure about having to cancel and re-order to add it - maybe a rep can confirm. The HD transmitter has been a source of long delays in shipping as it has been in and out of stock. Personally, I'm going to order mine with the HD Transmitter, but some people just don't want to wait.

4. I don't believe you have to buy either one from Dell. The transmitter will be inside your laptop. The receiver will be connected to the TV so no need for it sit on your hospital table.

Hope you get back on your feet soon.

 

3. Ya, I ordered internal too. It's hit and miss with the stock on these at Dell. Some people who ordered it got theirs within the 3 week build time, some have waited months.

When I put my order through Dell did add one full week onto the ETA of my system.

 

Thanks for the helpful replies so far guys!
Martin, I haven't been able to find a transmitter/receiver pair that had an internal card for the transmitter. Everything I"ve found either has a transmitter and receiver that look like routers, or plug in to USB.
If you've seen one with an internal transmitter, could you point me at it?
Thanks again guys.

 

I didn't have any luck finding an internal card either, but I also didn't have time for an exhaustive search. It's probably better to buy it at the time of purchase unless you feel comfortable opening up your laptop and installing it yourself at a later date. If you've never opened up a laptop before, it can be a bit daunting.

 

Here's links to a alienware M17 with the bundled kit

YouTube - ‪m17x R3 Wireless HD Demo and Info (Vizio Wireless HD Unit)‬‏
YouTube - ‪Alienware M17x with Wireless HD Hands-On‬‏

Heres a link to wireless external setups being tested but as you said.......... USB

YouTube - ‪Asus and brite-View WHDI Wireless HDMI Transmitter Kits Reviewed - HotHardware‬‏

 

Anyone have recommendations for a receiver? Accidentally bought a WiDi receiver and found out that isn't the same thing.

 

Come on guys, can someone suggest a wireless hd receiver?

 

Get the Vizio Wireless HD receiver (it's a kit you can buy on Amazon.

 

Anyone have a how to for installing this card yourself?

 

Here's a question I haven't seen answered..

I'm interested in the wirelessHD, but I have an old AV receiver that doesn't have HDMI inputs.. Just optical audio. Does anyone know of a wirelessHD receiver that splits the vdieo to HDMI out and The audio to optical? I could send the video through HDMI to my samsung LCD tv, and the audio to my
AV receiver for surround sound (or just overall higher volume).


Otherwise I'd have to just rely on tv speakers...

 

ny body have link where to buy this card?

 

Are you asking for a receiver for the internal card sold by Dell? I beleive the only ones that work are the ones with "Push2TV" branding. Dell sells 2

push2tv - Dell - Search - All Dell.com

I called dell to try to get the card myself, they can't or won't sell it seperately. I tried finding what brand it is and buying it myself, but was unable to find any actual products.

In researching this, it seemed to me, people were reporting that internal WHDI cards like the one we can buy for the M18X only mirror the screen, instead of behave like an additional monitor. Can anyone confirm?

Because of this, I ended up ordering the ASUS WiCast. It's bulkier than the internal card obviously, but it plugs into the HDMI port and can be configured as an additional monitor. From the review that nigel posted (below) and others I saw online, it seems to have exceptional performance.

I'll just use double sided tape and stick it to the bottom of my hospital table.

Pros and Cons (as I understand them) of using the external Asus WiCast instead of the internal wireless transmitter

Pros:
- can use the TV as an additional monitor instead of just mirroring the desktop
- <1ms of latency due to up to 3Gb/s transfer rate (seems crazy, but from the demos and reviews I've seen, it's accurate)
- doesn't require line of sight
- greater transmitting distance
- can be moved to be used for any device with HDMI output (like Xbox)

Cons:
- Bulkier - fits in the palm of your hand, so it's not huge, but it still takes up more space than the internal card which doesn't take up any space at all.
- Takes up the HDMI-out port as well as a USB port using 2 short cables

 

can you please make picture how you have it
THX

 

I'm sorry xko, I'm not sure what you're asking.

 

FYI (not sure if this helps), I picked up the Vizio WirelessHD setup from Amazon that comes with a transmitter (with 4 HDMI inputs) and receiver. The transmitter is roughly 10 inches long, about the width of a standard ruler (maybe a little thicker), and triangular. The receiver is about 3/4 of the length, but otherwise the same dimensions. Both units are small and relatively compact for what they are (the transmitter is meant to be used in a rack with HT equipment).

I DID get the internal WirelessHD card configured in my M18x, although I haven't gotten it to work yet. I haven't really given it a lot of effort though, so...

 

Hey Mike, did you get the visio setup to work?

Your internal card might not work becase you need a specific receiver type. They need to have go2TV branding. Dell sells 2.

 

Hmm, I was thinking perhaps the brite view in that video. Correct me if I'm wrong but its WirelessHD signal right? If you get that one, wouldn't it work with the internal if you ever installed one? I'm not sure though.

 

I don't mean to hijack this thread but i had a question. I saw that the wirelesshd spec 1.1 adds 3d capibilities. I am wondering if there is an aftermarket wirelesshd card available that might include 3d?

 

I haven't been able to find any aftermarket card of any kind. Everything in the aftermarket seems to be external.

 

Does the wicast push protected content?

 

Not that I know of. You'd do well to save up for a new receiver. There are a ton that are pretty cheap and take a variety of inputs not to mention the ability to have a better speaker setup. Does your TV have an HDMI input?

 

I'm pretty sure the internal card and the asus and briteview all work on technology originating from the same manufacturer (AMIMON AMN 2000/3000 WHDI chipset), but I'm not sure if that guarentees they're compatible.

Probably best to get someone from Dell tech support on the phone.

If you watch the demo, the guy demonstrates both systems broadcasting an Ironman bluetay disk from a laptop to the TV.
>double checks<
Yep, here's the link to the demo again, shows it playing blueray content sarting 8:50
YouTube - ‪Asus and brite-View WHDI Wireless HDMI Transmitter Kits Reviewed - HotHardware‬&rlm;

 

what about Air SyncHD

better than wi cast

 

That definitely looks like it does almost the same thing.
It's a bit more expensive and doesn't have the option to power the transmitter with usb ports.
It does seem to be more powerful though(higher transfer rate), and the transmitter has an HDMI out as well as and HDMI in.

 

Sorry if this seems a stupid question, but here it is anyway;

I'm about to order an M14x and in order to use Intel's built in wireless screen thing, do i need the $99 internal antenna?

Or will it work without it as I'll have an Intel wifi card + SandyBridge CPU?

If it will work do i just need the receiver that plugs into the tv that you can get @ Bestbuy?

Sorry if it seems stupid, Thanks
Sam

 

Not stupid. Having two different technologies that do fundamentally the same thing (but in two distinctly different ways) is confusing.

If all you intend on using is Intel's WiDi, then no, you do not need the $99 internal antenna and card for Wireless HD (SiBEAM). WiDi is baked into Intel's combo of a Centrino wifi card and the Core CPUs as it transmits what is rendered off of the IGP. All you need is a receiver like the one you can get at BestBuy.

Where you do need to use Wireless HD is if you at all intend to play games on your big screen. Anything rendered by your GPU (GT 555m in the M14x's case) can not be sent over WiDi, and even if it could, WiDi inherently has some lag which would make playing games pretty difficult. Wireless HD uses a different channel/frequency, has much higher bandwidth potential, and is not tied to your Intel IGP.

 

Thanks for the awesome clear answer, you just saved me $99. All i plan on doing is streaming the occasional movie and presentation to my big tv.

I think ill leave the gaming to the built in screen

Thanks Again!
Sam

 

I have not, and i have the Vizio receiver Dell includes in the bundle with the M18x.

The receiver's light just flashes at me and the wirelessHD software doesn't see the "network". Need to investigate further...

 

Here's a dumb question - does the transmitter that came with the Vizio WirelessHD unit need to be pluggeed in too? I wonder if it's not seeing the network because the receiver isn't seeing its transmitter...

 

That's maybe something you want to ask tech support.
I'm pretty sure that with the internal HD you don't need any other transmistter. I'm not sure though, that the visio receiver recognies the internal HD card.
If you have an external transmitter and receiver, then you could use them both, but that'd be bypassing the internal wireless HD

 

Depending on the quality of the video you want to stream you still may want to go with the wireless HD.

 

Did you ever get your issue resolved? Sounds like you and I are having a similar problem...

 

Guys, I don't think the visio receiver works with the internal card. I can't find any info showing that they are compatible.

There is a receiver that is definitely compatible with the internal card. It's the Netgear PTV 2000 for 1080p (there's a cheaper one that only does lower resolutions). Here's the website where it states specifically that it's compatible with the AW m18x:
ptv_supportedlaptops_usa

They sell it at dell:
push2tv - Dell - Search - All Dell.com

Does anyone else know if there are other receivers out there that are definitely compatible?

I'm also trying to find an info/spec sheet for the internal card. I can't seem to find one anywhere and Dell is being weirdly access-to-info-retentive about this card.

What are they hiding? Is it that the wireless HD card is people? We're transmitting our HD signals with people? (Sloppy, unfunny Soylent Green reference )

 

Thanks Phil, but I have to disagree. It's the exact same receiver Dell offers in their WirelessHD bundle....

And Push2TV (WiDI) is different technology than WirelessHD.

 

I think you're getting the two different "wireless HD" components mixed up here. If you paid for the $99 internal Wireless HD card, you have TWO different methods which do similar things, but using totally different technologies.

The Push2TV product you linked uses Intel's WiDi. It is 100% incompatible with the $99 add on, and works with just the technology built into laptop via the Centrino wifi card and the Intel CPU.

The $99 upgrade is to add a Wireless HD (i.e. SiBEAM) adapter, and this adapter requires the Vizio receiver. It's a technically superior technology for a number of reasons (no lag, higher frequency, much greater bandwidth potential). There may be other brands out there, but make sure you understand what technology they support.

Intel Wireless Display (WiDi) != Wireless HD (SiBEAM)

 

If I understand correctly, you're saying that the netgear works with the default laptop and does project a wireless hd signal but that it's inferior to the additional interior card + visio receiver?

 

No, I'm saying the Netgear works with the default laptop and projects a WiDi signal. This is inferior to the additional Wireless HD card + Vizio receiver.

WiDi is not the same thing as Wireless HD.

Wireless HD is a specific, trademark name for a technology from a company called SiBEAM.

Wireless Display (WiDi) is a technology from Intel that most Intel Core-series laptops with Centrino Wifi cards have built-in.

If you did not purchase the upgrade, you have access to WiDi only.
If you paid for the $99 upgrade, you have both Wireless HD and WiDi in your laptop.

Wireless HD is better, and you paid extra for it if you got the upgrade, so get the right receiver.

 

Sorry for the confustion, what I meant to ask was if both methods are HD, but the internal card + visio are better?

 

Yes, both are HD, but the WiDi transmission is laggy and can't handle as much throughput as Wireless HD.

From what I've heard (heresay), WiDi might choke up on really big high-bandwidth/bitrate heavy movies. No personal experience from me. Still probably more than enough for using your computer on a big screen, or presentations, YouTube (and other lower bandwidth intense videos). WiDi has some inherent lag, making gaming less than ideal (also see below caveat).

Games running off of your GPU will not be able to be transmitted over WiDi (WiDi can only work off of the IGP). If you intend to game on your HDTV over a wireless video technology, you need to use Wireless HD.

 

And for that I need the visio receiver.

Do you know if there are any other receivers that work with internal Wireless HD?
I already picked up the Asus WiCast when I didn't think I'd get the internal card. I think it works on similar Amimon 2000/3000 technology as the internal card.

Boy-howdy! It sure would be nice if there was a definitive source of infromation outlining technology, compatibility, etc. for this internal transmitter. Every other piece of hardware is well documented, so why not this silly internal transmitter?

 

Roxio? You mean Vizio?

It is pretty documented. Dell/Alienware's site says Wireless HD, says what it does, has a write up on the technology ( here), has links to the Vizio product...

Have you tried The WirelessHD Consortium serves to organize an industry-led standardization effort to define a next-generation wireless digital interface specification for consumer electronics and PC products.? They have a list of compatible products right there... Consumers->Product Listing. Voila.

 

Thanks! That's very helpful!

 

For anyone who has this, is it possible to send just the video to a large screen and have the sound output to a wireless headphone set?

 

I don't see why not.

I don't have mine yet, but I know you can set the default audio device in the sound control panel.

 

I'm on board with HD Wireless now for better or worse.

 

Created this account just to let you all know that the bundle that Dell includes with the Alienware laptops will NOT work together.

The Vizio WirelessHD Kit and the SiBEAM Internal WirelessHD card are incompatible according to tech support. I was just on the phone for 2+ hours transferred up to managers and such. There is no way to get it to work. They offered to give me a refund on the internal or external wireless and try a different route.

So do NOT buy the bundle thinking you won't have to hook your laptop up with hdmi to the transmitter. You will. From there it will work wirelessly to the receiver but its not exactly as advertised.

 

Can someone who actually has this chime in?

 

This is false. The setup in my sig has been working fine. Internal transmitter via wireless HDMI to the Vizio receiver. Launch the SiBeam software, click connect and boom: 1080p wireless to your favorite viewing device.

Bummer that yours wouldn't connect.

 

Thanks for clearing this up JC.

 

My pleasure. I dunno what was wrong with reccos17's setup or who he got that information from but it's just flat-out wrong.