Has there been any definite confirmation on this and when? I'm asking because I'm probably ordering a M17x on Dec. 1st and am wondering if I shouldn't just hold out till Jan.
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There will be some definite info Dec-Jan, so wait a little bit.
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Well, check this out, now it's been CONFIRMED that ATI will INDEED launch new DirectX 11 MOBILE GPUs on Q1 2010. After they launch, how long do you guys think it would take for alienware to put them on a new 17" CROSSFIRE notebook?
Here's the story:
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cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
That does not mean it will be the top performing parts though, they may jsut be getting the mainstream stuff out quickly to say they did it before nvidia.
I would guess that mobility 5870 will take longer than that, but I am willing to be pleasantly surprised -
Well, since buying an Alienware where I'm from (Brazil) costs almost twice what it costs for US customers, I really wanted to get the M17X like, today, but then I wouldn't be able to buy the DX11 models when they come out, so I'm really hoping that ATI launches those mobile 5870's and alienware picks them up really quickly, so I can finally buy my alienware notebook =D
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cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
if you play the waiting for the next big thing game, you will NEVER buy a notebook
trust me on that
So just order it and try to upgrade when the cards come out -
I do agree that you should never play the wait for the next big thing game.
On a side note Ati cards are mostly dx11 compliant now; I believe.
If I had the money now i would definately buy an m17x with ati card and if it end up that you can't upgrade the card at least you have a mostly compliant dx 11 card -
Yeah, you could just do what I'd plan to do and just magically have motherboard problems right around the time the new one comes out and get it replaced with the next-gen one.
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Until some massive die shrinks happen i dont plan on seeing any of that high end stuff for quite some time.. The low end parts will certainly make it into machines but a dual card 5870DDR5 laptop i think is still quite aways off...
From what has been said about even putting DDR5 on the 4870s in the M17x and all the issues that came from it that does not bode well for the time being of seeing even higher end cards making it into the mobile machines...
Many months have passed since Asus brought out there 4870/4850s with DDR3 and i would have thought and hoped something would have changed by now to make DDR5 more feasible in a laptop but apparently that was not the case... -
Don't forget to consider the mobile nvidia cards that we've been seeing signs of, then again I think those were mainstream models as well..
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Aristotelhs2060 Notebook Virtuoso
just to add something here. ddr5 gpus are proved to have lower syncronization times in relation to ddr3 gpus so dont be paranoid.
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directx 11 has only two components that need new hardwired pathways on gpu's. tesselation and compute shader everything else doesn't require new hardwired pathways . multi threaded rendering applies to the processor not the gpu. everything else just seem to be software that will work on dx 10 cards. ati cards from 2000 series up have tesselation. when you look at it that way m17x ati laptops are MOSTLY dx11 compliant.
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Aristotelhs2060 Notebook Virtuoso
just look the specificaitions of ddr5 desktop cards in relation with ddr3 ones. if ddr5 gpus will be added to notebooks which i personally doubt, i believe the same situation will happen there as well.
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Today I read that Arrandale is expected in January 2010. I wonder if that means we can expect the M17X to be updated with the core I7 in 32nm around that time.
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32nm quads are projected to be after the Arrandale launch -
cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
Arrandale also will have a gimpy intel IGP on the chip with the cpu
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i dunno....a hyperthreaded dual core sounds like a gamer's wet dream....just overclock the hell out of it. once you need to do some actual work on your comp, you'll have the extra two threads to fall back on(they're not as good a actual cores, but they're better than nothing).
but ya, alienware probably won't do it, at least not until some 32nm quads come out. -
so you guys think we won't see any i7 on the M17x before next June?
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cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
nope
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Well the M17x will most likely support i7, the only thing I'm wondering is if they'll upgrade it to clarksfield, or wait till the 32nm quads to do a revision.
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better gpus would be good though i would like to have a better cooling solution what would be the viability of a water cooling solution be?
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Not to mention lugging around a water-cooled device, it having to go through a lot of movement/shifting might have some bad reprocusions on the cooling system inside, damaging your other hardware.
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-=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso
...... and this may not be too far off (available soon in Germany):
Acer Aspire 8942G-724G128Wi
and
Acer Aspire 8942G-728G1280TWn
Only stands to reason that other manufacturers will soon follow suit, right?
One can only hope! (patiently waiting & watching.....)
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Those Acer PCs seem like a nice find but I am always for Alienware. Nonetheless I hope they will react quickly and also propose the cross-fire 5870 and the i7 within the next 3 months.
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-=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso
..... and that was precisely my point!
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Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept
It seems like the life of a Dual GPU laptop might be coming to an end.
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-=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso
Give me a 5870 (or even a 5850) and an i7, and I'll be happy.....
(for a little while, anyhow)
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Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept
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-=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso
Again, one can only hope.....
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No way!!!
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personally, i'm hoping alienware takes its sweet time upgrading the M17x lol.
i need to get a new laptop asap, but i'm settling for the M15x cause i need the core i7. -
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Just curious Sager, how long has your 7800 been working since the oven baking?
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Sager liquid nitrogen sounds good to me as long i don't have to constantly refill it or it break my fingers off. -
The problem with liquid cooling is that every so often (usually 1 to 2 years) you would need to change the coolant because it looses it's ability to transfer heat as well. And yes because you want your laptop portable all that moving around could easily cause a tube to come loose possibly soaking the motherboard while your using it and while it's on your lap. BZZZ!!!!! That's just a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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It's been about 2 weeks. I'm well aware that some who've tried the baking fix view this as a temporary solution only. I'm in that camp as well. It blew me away that baking the card worked.
My main goal is to make my current system last long enough to bridge to purchase/delivery of an M17x. -
Alexrose1uk Music, Media, Game
Shame though BUT the card will probably still run every other single card out there into the ground, even with GDDR3. -
The density of water is roughly 8.3 lbs/gal. 1 gal = 128 oz, therefore:
8.3 lb/gal x 1 gal/ 128 oz x 20 oz = 1.3 lbs.
So, not a ton of weight (what's another 1.3lbs when the M17x weighs in at 12 lbs?), but we'd also need some kind of heat exchanger to remove the heat from the circulating coolant. That would add more weight cuz I don't think a blowing fan would cut it as the sole heat-removing method.
Like you, I'm not sure I'd want liquid rolling around inside my laptop as I move it from location to location. Too much bad stuff can happen there. -
Add the Feature from the Old m15x/m17x. Smart Bay hard drive/battery. Yes I was about to buy a Smart bay Hard drive so I could have 1.5tb of hard drive space. Or the Basic of the m15x Extra Battery life. Great for backup and extra storage.
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why do people keep saying they want dual-gpu cards in their laptops?
they might as well put two single-core cards in their lappy, it'll run better.
unless they want two dual-gpu cards which is a little ridiculous. the chip designer might as well just release a SINGLE higher TDP chip that doesn't have to suffer from gpu-linking and micro-stuttering.
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-=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso
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As for my perspective the most important refresh is the screen. Think about it, no matter how good all the other components are, they're meaningless unless you can see the final product. With that in mind, they need to start by offering the industry best portable laptop screen--even if it's an upgrade option. -
-=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso
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yes i believe we all have
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Aristotelhs2060 Notebook Virtuoso
can you please guys tell me why you want always the latest? except from dx11 support i dont believe their overall performance will be much better than current sli gtx280 or 4870s one. and we are speaking about laptop gpus and not desktop gpus which is more than important to consider. even the dx11 is a selling trick for me as well. i have played games on old dx9 and dx10 and honestly? i didnt see so much graphics difference to comment on. i am pretty sure the same will happen with dx11.
i cant comment on i7 core on laptops and comparison with overclocked quad cores on laptops because i didnt find a well performed test until now. i7 cores may be a few better and thats all. i repeat overclocked quad cores.
M17x Refresh Discussion
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