M17x Refresh Discussion

Makes you wonder how the GT300's are going to be..if they're even going to incorporate the Fermi technology

 

Well that's all you're going to get. The higher end G200 tech was too massive to sucessfully shrink to 40nm.

Fermi will likely be the same since even using the 40nm process it's still rumored to be massive. What's more is all the really important features that make Fermi what it is....the supercomputing GPGPU stuff....has no business being in a notebook.

 

that's why nvidia should just build a gpu from the ground up specifically for gaming laptops

 

Mobile gaming segment is only a tiny part of their market.
They won't develop the entirely new technology only to give 2% what they are craving for. It's all bout $

 

Is it really that small?

 

If they lose top end parts, and ATI starts to smash them in performance or cost over the range, then suddenly they'll lose a lot of contracts, that's not in Nvidia's interest, even if the very top end is small, there's all the cutdown, cheaper chips you can fab from the same design. People with the fastest/most cost effective chips win contracts, and if Nvidia can't compete they will struggle to win new or revised contracts.

I doubt Nvidia want to lose a large section of the mobile segment, unless the costs involved are too large to be profitable in 1-2 gens, then they're losing money for the sake of it.

 

thats..what..she.....



...said

 

A few years ago AMD made a decision to make more efficient simpler small parts aimed at the mainstream that could be scaled to hit high-performance targets. Looks like it was the right decision.

If AMD can give us 5870 X2 solutions for gaming notebooks more power to them.

It's amazing that g92 has carried Nvidia this far. But I have no loyalties either way.

All I ask for is a Core 2 Quad at 3 Ghz and dual 5870 upgrades before I retire my M17x in a couple of years.

The i7 M17x will have much longer legs than mine.

 

+1 rep

 

Maybe not. I still doubt it. The upcoming mobile i7 refresh doesn't look too amazing and the current i7s kneel before the brutal power of QX9300 OC'ed to 3.2+. Mandrake was able to push his to 4GHZ (@3.8 he scored 5200+ in 3Dmark and 30sec in Superpi 2M which is better than i7 920XM and on par with the desktop Lynnfields).
Desktop i7s on the other hand are gaining even more power with their new 6-core 3.3GHz monster-king that makes i7-975 blush.
But it's highly unlikely that AW will rush into Clevo' domain and put a desktop CPU into a laptop.

 

i think the i7 legs would have been longer then c2q if they had waited tell 32nm to come out with quads

 

Yep, something tells me Intel planned so initially (they could do one more Montevina refresh instead and jump to 32nm).

 

wish that was the case, 32nm i7 would be splurgtastic

 

Hey im having an issue with my T9600, it keeps jumping from 30% to 100% or 2% to 50, to 100% and im not even running anything! What is goin on? checked Task manager, and nothing huge is running, just the basic componets. When I start up the cpu goes straight to 100%

 

The M17x refresh should be here next month!

 

Any supporting evidences?

 

Ok since I've read this whole thread the USB 3 discussion needs some edits.

USB 3 is 10 years in the making. Imagine if your laptop had USB 1.1 now, would you be happy with that? In a year USB 3 will be everywhere, printers, external drives, flash, and even if it's not 10x faster, say just 5x faster, that's going to be noticeable when you are moving 10g of pics around on those 16gb flash cards in your camera. Blueray is about to double the bandwidth and go 120hz as well as 3D so you can bet that USB 2.0 won't run that stuff at all. It's really about lifetime. If you expect to have your notebook a year or so and ditch it, then you won't care. But if you keep one for a few years, you'll be happy that you kept with the 10 year cycle of USB updates and have the latest. Flash sticks will show huge gains and you can't find many of those running off ESATA, that's for sure.

As for the I7, Intel is likely to refresh it to 32nm in 2010. That will bring it up to the 9300 speeds of 2.53 or so, and you'll definitely feel the power difference. Right now, you may feel the impact of 8 threads, but for the most part you shouldn't get all sad if you have a 9300. OC'd that 9300 is still very good.

280M SLI is good, even today. Crysis may be the "make your system cry" benchmark, but in a lot of games you won't find running native 1920 to be a big issue with the SLI setup. The secret there is that many folks would be shocked at just how close the 260 SLI setup can come to 280 SLI speeds. The "beef" of what lies next in the mobile world is likely 40/32nm and the move to DDR5. The shrink will allow an increase in processing power for the same power output and the DDR5 is self evident as well. I "see" the secret being that desktops are going DDR5 with 256 (clocked high) or higher bus widths. I think the answer in the mobile realm will be 256 bit memory interfaces to DDR5 at more modest speeds.

The hint for updates is this:

Q1 (Jan with Feb availability) I7 and PM55 available.
Q1 ATI mobile DX11, just to keep their lead, with 280M as optional.

Q3 PM55 refresh with the Quads going to 32nm, no built in GPU (that will only be on the dual cores). If Intel is smart (and that's not guaranteed) they'll drop 2 USB 3.0 and 2 USB 2.0 slots onto the board. But I'd bet there is a 32nm and PM55 refresh coming in Q3. 32nm Quad extremes should clock at 2.53/2.66.

Remember that USB changes are 10 year cycles, and that ESATA will die when USB 3.0 comes out. Remember also that USB 3.0 adds much more power per port as well.

That's how 2010 will pan out.

 

Fxi will the new ati cards fit the current mobo you think?

 

I'll wait a month

 

i wish amd had a competing top end mobile processor cause then we would definitely see 32 nm quad from intel coming out this refresh for M17x

 

What kind of M17X refresh are you guys talking about? (I haven't really been up to date with this...) What would be the changes with this model?

Im on the virge of buying a M17X but should you guys suggest i wait for the refresh?

 

If you can, I would. Its likely to be announced next month. Possible hardware configuration is mobile I7, new GPUs, and it may well be based on a different chipset, which may help avoid some of the issues with the current chipset; although to be fair, poor AW BIOS dont always help those!

 

Sweet. Sounds like a good time for some of the oldies to suddenly have some mobo issues and call in a replacement!! Haven't even had the computer for 60 days and I'm already thinking of the next-gen haha!

 

Sneakiness

 

What are your thoughts on LightPeak?

 

While i7 is nice, I am waiting for Arrandale

 

Hi im new here just registered, been looking thro some of the thread and thought it worth saying that dell told me a few days ago that i7 option on M17x will be here soon. I used the click and chat to ask some questions and this was one of my questions, he said he couldn't say when but i7 option is very soon.......then he said maybe 2nd week in Jan whn i bugged him a bit more he also confirmed the dx11 cards will be supported but gave no date.

 

New tech is always just around the corner.

 

hum i7 + dx 11 cfx ... looks like i'm gonna be saving for an othe lappy soon

 

And then you'll start saving for 22nm+Fermi SLI rightaway

 

I would need to see real world gains of 35% or more before thinking upgrade. Not to mention compelling software.

 

BAD NEWS

Nvidia has announced on their website the GT300M. Release of the GT360M is imminent.

Unfortunately all the GT360M uses the old architecture of the GTS260M which based on a 4 years old G92 architecture.

Nvidia is never going to stop their re-branding techniques. I used to be an Nvidia fan and have been since 1998 but they've gone too far. I am upgrading to the 5870 as soon as it comes out.

I hope most people won't get ripped off by them anymore. They have no driver support anymore, no technological advances anymore, they are ridiculous and I am sure I speak for the entire gaming community. We are saddened by their mediocre products and shady re-branding..........

 

Wow, shameful.

 

Oh and one more thing. They are still Direct X10...

 

no risk i'm an anti-Nvidia and i won't upgrade again until there is once more a new version of DX out

 

If fermi delivers on half it's promises you will want to upgrade. However with it's rumoured heat issues fermi may not make laptops.

 

Fix'd.

Maybe you'll see Fermi in a notebook when CPUs hit 18nm....then again maybe the Mayans were right and you'll never see Fermi in a notebook.

 

I'm not anti nvidia simply because adobe is going to optimize code for nvidia simply because of what career i'm going into but I will NOT buy a rebranded g92 based gpu in M17x or any other computer i get.


I wouldn't be suprised if the mayans ended the calendar on 2012 because they were simply tired or the guy making the calendar died or something as simple as that

 

GT S 360M is based on the 40nm G215....a reduced core and die-shrunk version of the G200b.

It's already available on the pre-sale ASUS G51Jx and it's been said by an XoticPC rep that Nvidia should have a couple of more cards to show at CES. They need something with more than 96 cores for their Enthusiast level GPUs.

 

As soon as my M15x sells and a pre-order for the M17x refresh is available, I'm in!

 

Hello, I've been lurking NRB for some time now.

I'm wondering whether the M17x may ever move to some 16:9 screen, not because I prefer the ratio, but because laptop screens that are 120hz will only be 16:9.

Does anybody think there's a chance of 120hz in the M17x, or would that be an an entirely new model?

 

I don't know but I'm not sure it would worth the extra cost to have a 120hz screen in a laptop.

I'm curious if it would affect the battery though

 

I'm not too concerned about battery life, I'll plug it in, as far as cost, I'd save for it, and the reason is that with my current laptop, I can notice the slight imperfection with 60hz. It bothers me to no end to know I'm running something at 90+ fps and am only able to see 60.

 

If you're on the Top it's up to you what to rebrand and how to call it. I would agree with you if those 280s (8800s) were way worse than the 4870s.

 

You know, that both Nvidia and ATI are owned by a small group of people with mutual interests $$$ They created this competition. If the fight was for real, we would have a monopoly long ago and then there would be many small revolutions (Microsoft -> Open Source -> many people running free soft). "Grande"s realized that long ago -> we have to pay. So, even though our speculations are needed to fuel our unceasing greed for better weapons, they are futile as there will be no absolute winner.
The prison is perfect.
So "Compare your lives to mine and kill yourselves"- Bender Bending Rodriguez (aka Computer Hardware Syndicate)

 

I'm waiting for the i7 even though many people seem uninterested. The real reason is that even though a qx9300 may be equal or better than the new ones, I would have only ordered a q9000, and games that are dual core optimized will likely fare better with the turbo boost.

Also, I've used a friend's asus with a mobile i7, it's awesome.

 

the reason everyones not as interest in the mobile i7 is because the graphics card will give us more performance in games then a better processor

 

Given equal gpus the i7 offers minimal game performance increase. That's why no one really cares.

 

This just indicates how bad my current cpu is at this point then. My c2d 2 Ghz 667 fsb 2 mb cache 65nm is stressed with a few games I play, so I guess my opinion is totally invalid lol.

I don't mean to downplay the importance of the new gpu's, I'm planning on the 5870's if they make it in the M17x in the next refresh.

This is going to be a long week... can't wait to see what happens at the CES.

 

Ahhh well then for you yes it would be awesome. However what we are trying to get at is for gaming current tech isn't far behind the i7. In most cases you just need something fast enough to not bottleneck your sli setup.