M17x Returned...

Everyone here has bigger issues than a laptop.

And I honestly fail to see how your post directly connects to what I just wrote?

 

Cough L O L Cough

 

I didn't understand where he was coming from etiher... lol

It's all good, languid. People buy and return things all the time. No shame in that, it just wasn't for you (I would NEVER spend that much on ANY computer EVER, but that's just me I guess).

 

*Coughs* Heh *Coughs*

Anyway, hope you have fun in Adulthood, don't worry, I'm a bit like you, sometimes I lose the fun in buying gaming PCs.

 

I like to cap my gaming rigs (upon initial purchase) at $2500 MAX - I try to keep it to $2k

 

My cap is $1999 ( ) but this is alienware so i will give $500 extra this time

 

This is my cap. Sounds a bit wrong, lol!

 

$4100 is a lot of money bro, I know where you're coming from. One week you have a hot new GF and you spend $500 on Patron, nice food, etc. The next week you gotta pay rent and you wonder why you've got a 4 thousand dollar computer you haven't even used

Yes, it's an expensive hobby. After a while, you will want it again, and you'll go through the same situation again. Eventually, well hopefully, the money will no longer be an issue and it will really just come down to time. Does your woman want you playing around with a computer hours a day? No, she wants you to waste time, not necessarily money (although time is money for me...), on her instead haha.

 

my cap is however much it costs to get what i want

 

Must be nice to have unlimited funds....

 

Can I borrow some????

 

it's not that i have unlimited funds, it just i don't worry about it. what is the use of working hard and getting paid if you don't spend it on something you really want every now and then.

 

I spent 8K usd in my last keyboard but i simply can't justify paying 4k in a thing that become outdated in lass than a year lol.

 

QFT

The point of money is to be spend. Some of them is for technology and other things you like and some for other people you care about

 

I don't think the M17x will be outdated in a year lol

 

Calpella is already coming so 1-1.5 year and it will be outdated .

 

No that just means a new Quad set will be coming the mobile I7's and a new chipset lol... those how have say a Quad Qx9300 will still be more than fine

 

If exits anything newer and better it's outdated for me

 

The way you have to see it is the QX9300 is the end of the line, unless you swap the whole mobo. Will that be enough in 2 years? Probably, but it won't get any faster than it is already.

 

Well... Some ppl believe in a magic QX9500

 

capellas not going to make much of a difference... the multicore technology is only starting to be exploited, capella will get used for lame ps3 ports lol, but its going to last alot longer then a year.

 

as long as mine lasts me 18 months then i am happy

 

Honestly, especially for gamers, Clarksdale is garbage.

Hot, power hungry and topping out at 2ghz on the Quad Extreme.

Arrandale (32nm) has promise, but again, till it hits 3ghz at less than 45w for the Quad Cores, the QX9300 is pretty much its equal for gaming and that is Intel's roadmap for the next year best case.

Worst case, they get pushed back.

Couple that with that report that 2.2ghz is more than enough for a 280 (let alone a 280M), and game wise, it isn't going to get much better anytime soon and graphically speaking, these slots are upgradable.

Now, if you want to sit around for a year waiting to upgrade? Be my guest. Time is something you can never replace.

 

Multicore is just an SMP system and SMP system r around for a LONG time . Just because it's not that useful in games doesn't mean it's useful for some ppl who do more than just game (like me! ).

I don't like waiting i prefer to buy a 2-2.5k notebook now and another 2-2.5k notebook next year .

 

Lol... I prefer buying my M17x now, getting a great deal on an Qx9300, and getting my laptop as advertised below for 3,400.... We may yet be able if they release a 45nm I7 mobile be able to install it in our M17x's

 

I agree with this, anyone who has a QX9300 will be laughing in a year from now, if you're only into games, Capella holds nothing really exciting for you, and those who need it for more than just games, won't be too happy about it's heat output and power consumption.

 

Well i prefer to buy my M17x now, get a Q9000, GTX260 SLI for sub-3k and upgrading it to 4870's/GTX3XX, 8GB later and maybe even upgrade the processor if intel release something for montevina that really worth over Q9000 or just buy other notebook if already exists something more powerful at that time .

But we don't think the same way (and that's good )

BTW... NO u will not be able to install a mobile i7 in a M17x.

Laughing about what?...

QX9300 make 0% difference in games now, will still like that next year.

QX9300 isn't that powerful for more "serious" business and will be even less powerful next year...

What's the point in laugh ? lol.

 

You didn't have a clue what I was talking about did ya lol. I understand English is not your first language, so I'll explain what I meant in terms you can understand.

What I meant by "people with a QX9300 will be laughing a year from now" means that they will still have a fully capable chip which will still compete well against the Capella platform in almost all area's (minus the multi-threading) and in some cases better considering the higher clocks, while having less heat output and less power consumption. The "games" comment was directed towards Capella as being not much different than what the QX9300 would do now and then, which is pretty much "nothing".

Get it now?

 

Youl find every person does more then just game...one of the biggest world wide usage for more then a single core/thread is gaming. Capella is just going to be a power eating toy, the lower end q9000 handles just about everything out there for multithread right now, qx is still a huge step up.

And although not many people use AMD, they are planning there quad systems going mobile soon i believe, so thats an affordable road we can also take, and i recon they will still be p socket.

 

I understood man, i just answered figurative language with figurative language. You don't got it so "I'll explain what I meant in terms you can understand."

Yeah the clarksdale processors in calpella will have a low clock frequency but remember that a desktop i7 is 30% faster than a desktop C2E so i expect the same difference (in percentage) in laptops.

Desktop i7 do awesome overclocks and i expect the same in calpella (and remember i7 is 30% FASTER... 0.4GHZ overclock in extreme clarksdale = good bye QX9300).

Power consumption?, heat output?... Talk about this with D900 users

I know that sarcasm/figurative language is much less used in English and you guys generally have some problems noticing when it's used in a minus obvious ways but i will try again...

Laugh about what?

Superbum sequitur humilitas

Try compiling 300MB of source code in a i7 then go back to a QX9300 . I just said that QX9300 isn't that powerful when u use it in things that really need SMP

BTW amd releasing something with a acceptable performance would be good... XG technology looks really promising

 

Not yet, but when AW finally fix the OC locks, that thing is capable of 4ghz top.

I thought the new i7 machines were running at 80C? I dont think they were OCCT tested either? Need to lookem up

 

Desktop processor in a mobile system = bad (not worth the trade offs IMO)

 

If AW do this I'm buying a QX9300 in the same minute

Is a bad idea depending on your use

 

You are over estimating Capella bud, and if you think anything even remotely close to that 30% improvement will be making it's way to laptops, then I've got a bridge to sell ya in Brooklyn lol. We'll finish this discussion when Capella is released.

 

Time will let we know

 

even if its a 30% improvement wont a 2GHz vs 3GHz matter?

 

You r talking about stock i7 vs overclocked C2E... Who said u can't overclock i7?

 

alright... 2.4Ghz vs 3.2Ghz...

 

Probably a tie or QX9300 wins...

BUT nobody saw a cpu-z screenshot of a QX9300 in M17x yet.
i7 probably can go higher than 2.4 (You can push Q9000 to 2.7-2.8 and i7 are REALLY great in overclocking...).

Of course that if we get enough voltage in M17x the i7 will probably get owned and the i7 isn't going to make any difference in gaming .

But the launch of calpella will probably force C2D/Q/E prices to drop so...

This notebook is going to be outdated one day just like every pc in world but we have more than a year probably (since intel is holding calpella to help cleaning C2 processors stocks )

 

I might as well go with a M17x with a QX9300 overvolted and overclock when possible and GTX 300M's in SLI... that would be an awesome laptop...

 

1 - In turbo mode you can push ONE core to 2.8, 3.06, 3.2... This mean something ya? .

2 - Maybe top 4... (or top 5 if the "magic" QX9500 exists lol).

3 - If the first generation doesn't make M17x outdated the a second will so... It's just about time .

Of course it will be an awesome laptop, It can easily last for 2-3 years playing game at a very good frame rate (u will eventually need to play on 1600, 1200 but... Will play ).

 

I just feel like being a jerk right now

To the past...50 or so posters...its Calpella...not Capella




.../end jerk

 

I agree with you 100% that the second generation of Capella will undoubtedly make the C2Q obsolete. With a lower TDP and higher clocks they will smoke the QX9300, that we can agree on. But I highly doubt the first generation will offer anything groundbreaking that will make an M17x owner with a QX9300 (OEM or ES) go "omg my laptop is obsolete". That was a point I was trying to make earlier.

And agreed the M17x will be a great solid rig for a good 2-3 years, especially with the expected GPU upgrades.

Edit, oops, my bad Calpella then.

 

I was writing clarksdale and it's clarksfield so... Don't worry u r not alone

 

Like I said in another thread, "I don't feel like Intel's proof of concept hardware."

The initial wave of hardware (Clarksbar so nah) is garbage, period. I don't care if it can up clock one core to hopefully 3ghz+. 65W? No thank you. The industry, and software, is moving to dual thread and beyond. To reward single threaded apps with a "turbo mode," which are on their way out is puzzling at best.

The newer, smaller 32nm stuff looks promising, but like the i7, it isn't going to come out of the gates decimating everything like the original Core 2 did to the P4 architecture. The benchmarks show the i7 gaining 30% in some areas, less than 5% in others and in some cases being SLOWER than their Core 2 counterparts.

Did I mention 65W?

As always, Intel will streamline their new chips (See: i5, i3, d0 steppings, Arrandale 32nm), but for the here and now, if you have a new system or a relatively new system, gratz.

The only i7'ish mobile I'd contemplate is a D900F. If you're going to big and bulky (which a decent 65W ClarkGriswald will be), might as well go for the big iron and crush all.

 

People do that stuff?
I just play the damn game.

 

thread has reached the end game...

closed.