M17x, feel like a bit regret because of i7 is coming out for notebook.

I got my M17x last week, felt all the power, but when i heard the i7 is coming out, I’m a bit worry about the i7 is super good between EX Q9300 and the price will be same as EX Q9300, if the price will be same then not worth it for now, feel like want to return M17x. Still

 

What do you do with your laptop? I can almost gaurantee you will have no need for an I7

 

Yes the I7 is coming out BUT it won't come out until the spring on the M17X. The QX9300 is powerful enough to handle all your games and apps for the next 3 years.

What's important in a gaming PC is the graphic cards... With the M17X and the MXM 3.0b support you should be in theory able to upgrade to the next gen graphic card such as the upcoming GTX300 (in the spring).

This is what you should shoot for... Don't worry about I7

 

Where did you hear this anyways?... Thought it was just speculation (except for the NP9280 which is already out).

 

Even if this is true...don't sweat it. This always happens. New technology will always be around the corner, and even if you hadn't pulled the trigger now, you would have waited for the i7, then something else would have been announced too. A vicious cycle.

 

The first generation of mobile I7's will not be worth it, i'd wait until the second or thrid generations to make the switch and by that time you'd be ready for a new notebook anyways.

 

the np9280 has a desktop i7 in it. i think the OP is referrin to the new line of mobile i7's. names and specs can be found here.

as kcissem said, the first generation of mobile i7's don't look very appealing or worth it. i might wait til the new mobile i7's to come out before i pull the trigger as well. that'll mean cheaper qx9300's!!!

 

Oh, I see...

 

find me a game that is bottlenecked @1900 res or greater by a dual running @ 3.46 ghz or a quad @ 3.02 ghz and i'll selll my M17x and buy a new mobile i7

 

Game wise, you are nowhere near being bottlenecked by the CPU for most games even with a low end chip (P8400/P8600). Even a bottom barrel chip like a P7350 or a P7450 will usually get the job done.

As always, YMMV and while this generalization applies to most games, it is best to research the games you play and find out how important the CPU factors into the equation.

Even so, at 55W and 2.0ghz speed for their "top of the line" i7 Mobile Extreme, I would skip the first generation of i7 mobile parts and wait for the 32nm 2010 chips.

And the 9280 does have the desktop processor in it, so of course CPU wise it will destroy everything out there.

 

Clarksfield is just a way for Intel to make an extra buck off suckers that think the newest tech is always worth buying.

 

We'll said!

 

I think we should have this thread closed as "Don't wait for the I7"

 

The mobile i7 will be a huge failure. The speed will be too low and the power draw will be too much (Pentium 4 anyone?!) And don't expect the price of the qx9300 to go down, as I suspect it will still far outsell the i7.

And dude, Joebarchuck, stop saying that the m17x will get i7, that will NEVER happen. If an Alienware laptop gets core i7 it will be a 100% new platform. Just because it will be Alienware does not mean it will be an m17x.

Given that for games the i7 was barely an increase from Core 2 Quad (more noticeable for multi-gpu configurations) when they were similarly clocked, I would not bother with the mobile i7 as it will be considerably lower clocked.

I know that I am buying an m17x as soon as my whitebook sells and not looking back. Throwing my qx9300 in it and be happy for years. Maybe a GPU upgrade, but the cpu is set.

 

^ How long have you owned your OCZ WB?

 

Got it in early February. MUCH more info in the FS thread linked in my sig.

 

If you are not going to read my post than don't mention my name. In this thread I have CLEARLY stated that waiting for the I7 is useless and that the thread should be closed and titled " Don't wait for I7"...

You cannot get more clear than that... The I7 will be a big success, enormous actually but won't show on gaming laptop for a while and I was telling the OP that there is no reason for him to return his PC and wait.

Of course the I7 is coming out on the M17X... Are you dumb or what??? Even if the platform is new the PC will be called the M17X and there will be little redesign if any to the chassis and case. The design of the M17X is here for at least 3 years and there is no way they won't put an I7 in the next three year. You are crazy man.

Now if you don't know how to read there is nothing we can do for you but you should not be on this forum. Next time instead of annoying me and saying stuff about me, READ MY POST.

 

I did read your post, so please calm down. This is not the first thread I have seen you mention this in and is why I thought I would address it.

I personally do believe the mobile i7 parts will be a failure (at least at first) but this is only my opinion, we do not have to agree.

So please, relax and remember this is just a place for us all to share our thoughts and try to help each other out.

edit: it is also my opinion that the first Alienware model featuring the mobile i7 will be something NEW (in both name and appearance) - again, we do not have to agree here, as neither of us works for Alienware it is purely speculation

 

Yes I agree this is a place to help each other.

But you need to realize that just like the XPS the M17X which will not be renamed or change design and will get in the next 12 month the I7 as an option. The PC will be called M17X and the design will stay the same and there will be a redesigned internal platform and that's it.

Now if you seriously think AW will not put an I7 in the M17X by summer 2010 then we definitely disagree... And yes the internal platform will change but no there won't be an external design change.

 

guys, please calm down, there is nothing right or wrong.

 

If they do not have other features to differentiate between the new and old platforms, they will kill their sells of the new part with the old part since it will have to be priced lower due to now being "old"

They know this. Also, yes I do believe you will probably see a new machine all together, they don't care how closely they are released (M17 and M!7x?! - these are even from the same ODM)

 

Agreed! No more on this subject, only time will tell.

But for the OP: No reason to wait... The QX9300 is an amazing CPU that will last you a good three years.

 

All I can say at this point is that I know that you are and will be happy with your M17x and I will be happy with mine as soon as I sell my whitebook so that I can order it!

See, we do agree afterall

 

lol @ the mobile i7 in the M17x by spring

 

Laptop buyers looking for true quad-core mobile processors from Intel will be served in Q4 2009 with a trio of 'Clarksfield' parts: the i7-720QM, the i7-820QM and the i7-920XM, running at standard/overclock speeds of 1.6/2.8GHz, 1.73/3.06GHz and 2.0/3.2GHz, respectively. All have 8MB of L3 cache and HyperThreading to make them appear to be eight-core CPUs.

When equivalents of these three chips appear at 32nm rather than 45nm isn't yet known, but reading between the lines, Q4 2010 seems a likely timeframe.

By Tony Smith

for more information :
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/21/intel_arrandale/

 

We know the i7 mobile parts are coming clement. The problem is the first generation they, well, suck to put it nicely.

Hot, hungry with only decent clock speeds when a single core is isolated which negates the reason to get a quad core in the first place. In an industry pushing for multi-core computing, it seems mildly backwards to reward single threaded apps with clock speeds the mobile parts should have had in the first place.

When the "Extreme" i7 mobile part in Quad Core config only matches the clock speeds of the bottom of the barrel Core 2 Quad Core Q9000 something is awry.

 

As everyone has mentioned, if you're just gaming, don't worry about your CPU so much. I guarantee basically every CPU you can configure the M17x with right now will run games at highest/max/ultra settings for the next few years as long as you get good gfx cards.

The bottleneck is the gfx cards, not the CPU. And with advancements like CUDA from nvidia and companies like Adobe allowing your gfx to support your processor in a non-3d environment (Photoshop CS4), CPUs are becoming, honestly, less important.

 

As said above when the top end next generation processor equals the bottom end current generation processor (i7-920XM, running at an incredible 2.0GHz compared to Q9000 which also runs at 2.0GHz) then you know something's gone seriously wrong.

 

Either way, in something like an m17x, im not sure how alienware would deal with all that heat with an sli machine with i7, and alot of the time sellers just add more fans to the already big hoover, although they are claiming tdp is low, i dont believe it yet.

 

55w is NOT a low tdp

Unless you are talking a desktop cpu haha

 

On the lower enders im refering to haha, but yeah the sager has temps of 80+ alot of the time with i7... with 2 gpus in there its just gna be cooking.

 

the sager with i7 is only 1 gpu. The power supply couldn't handle 2 I believe haha

 

yeah the sager with I7 has only 1 gpu, the new sager with sli 280's don't have the I7 option. Reason why is the heat involved.

 

don't talk about the np9850. i feel sorry for sales of it in the US.

 

there is also just the max amount of power that the system can produce from either the battery OR the ac adapater.... remember the AC adapter is only 220 watt I believe (75 on each gpu and 45 on cpu eats that UP)

 

I thought about waiting on the i7 series for alienware/dell laptops but I decided to go ahead and make the purchase. I cant see myself needing anything higher than what I have now for a long time but the thought in my mind would be pleased for bragging rights but in reality i am in nirvana...lol

 

you will be happy with what is in your sig, don't worry (maybe get a quad in there though )

 

yeah once it drops a few hundred bones and possibly change the HD to SSD would be nice as well.

 

I would get the quad before an ssd (I personally am not bothering with SSD's at all at this point in time)

 

Why? The hard drive is the main bottle neck in terms of speed. Prices will come down.

 

Because once your game level or program is loaded into the ram, POOF, that bottleneck is gone. And you spend more time using the program then waiting for it to load typically

And I don't trust SSD yet - but that is just me

 

I can see a small percentage of performance boost from what I do but I think getting SSD's would be a huge gain over the quad. I will probably get them both at the same time once the quad cpu drops down a lot more in price.

 

You don't trust SSD? It's far more reliable than the mechanical HDD. Got a valid reason for this? Im curious.

 

Just that it is young and I don't know much about how they work yet. Not saying they are bad or don't work, I know pretty much everyone who has one is happy with it.

And I haven't had any reliability issues with my mechanical HDD's yet either, so, if it aint broke why fix it? (and they are unarguably MUCH cheaper still)