M18x ? News article looks bogus

R3 looks to me mostly like a gaming version of a M6400/M6500 series. Magnesium cases are considered pricier and higher tech than alum, so don't put them down quite so much. R2 has better cooling by far, so it's more than the alum that makes that case good.

Have to see. But not buying either till I've seen just what is on the plate. There is a case to be made for 485M having "enough" power if it saves 3 pounds of weight. But of course 485 sli would be a bit nicer for higher res monitors like 27 and 30" ones.

Have to see.

 

Quick question:
Disregarding the hardware downgrade from the m17x r2, the m17x r3 has no option for a RGB display. Why exactly are people so dissapointed with this? Anyone care to explain what the RGB has over a 1200p display? Answer would be much appreciated.

Edit: and a follow up, do you believe the m18x would carry this option?

 

RGB is the 96 color box of Crayola, instead of the measly 16 color box.

 

Anodized aluminum....never seen a Dell doc stating aluminum chassis. The docs state anodized aluminum case and an interior cover that's magnesium. Not that it matters any but it does give the illusion of something more durable.

 

not really if you want to compare the two... RGB = a kid that keeps drawing over and over the same line with the same color(saturated colors)

I have a RGBLED screen on my SXPS screen and first off I dont like the whites at all its yellowish(a bit) colors are over saturated even after tweaking. I think its a waste of money if you dont do graphics work and dont require 100% color accuracy then go for it and still I think its not worth it. WLED looks fantastic on my M15x.

 

I am part of the people that have had the M17X R1 and the R2 with the RGB screen. Let's just say the RGB screen blows off your eyes. It's amazing and awesome on a laptop to the point that my uncle which is a photographer was amazed that a "non-professional" screen could be close if not as good as his $2000.00 screen.

Now for gaming, it makes the reds, greens and blues brighter and the contrast is increased greatly. While watching movies, it give more depth to the picture and the image looks more colorful than any other screen I've seen including my Samsung LED TV which is suppose to be of good quality.

That's how good the RGB screen was period.

 

What Joebarchuck said. It's a display in it's own category. I tweaked the colors a little bit with a built-in driver controls and simply looks superb. The only color that currently doesn't look as I'd wish is black (blacks look a bit better on professional IPS screens), but looks good enough.

Whether it will come on a hypothetical m18x, who knows? You should ask folks at Samsung who design and make the screens.

 

Anyone who tries to tell you that the RGB LED is not worth getting on the M17x-R2 is kidding themselves, you get full color gamut and while the colors aren't perfect, they can be tweaked quite close, a non-RGB LED just can't compare.

 

Alright, thanks for the answers and clarification guys. Sounds very interesting and def. worth checking out.

 

Sorry Mandrake, probably just I'm tired, but I'm not following which machine you are referring to with exterior alum and interior magnesium. Is it the R2? I thought the R2 was all alum with some plastic bits here and there and the M6500 pretty much the same. I remember the M1710 was magnesium though. Unsure about the 1730.

 

I just looked at the blog about the rumored m18x. I thought it was going to have sli gtx 485s?? Isn't that technically the best mobility gpus currently?

 

Has there ever been any threads I wonder where everyone is antisipating a new product like the next coming then a press release emerges saying it was all just rumors. That would make me sick after buying into all this m18x talk.

I always liked large laptop, hope the m18x can find a strong upcrop of sucess as this category has not seen much light in the direction of good times lol.

 

Ive checked the dell-lab blog again today and noticed there was an update about the M18x. Let me just quote the new part of it:

"Update: Just got word that the M18X is going to have a 330W Power Supply/Charger. My, that's going to be one hell of a brick."

That seems to be a big brick, wow!

 

Magic- Lets hope your info stands true. Dell is in need of a true powerhouse.

 

That suggest mobile SB with capability for dual 100W cards. Good news for 485M hopefuls.

 

If all those are true,now let's talk about your wallet... lol

 

I seriously hope the palm rest won't burn my hands There could be at least 4 cooling fans for an 18 incher. Maybe I won't need a heater when winter comes in the next few months

 

My room heater will RIP after I get the M18X.

 

I have a question. I lay down in bed or on a couch and have my Asus G73jw on my chest and it is not hot. It can get pretty warm gaming. I want a better laptop but would this one be way too hot or is it possible it could be cool too when its not gaming?

 

When not gaming it should be fairly cool. But keep in mind that the M18X is gonna be heavier than your G73.

 

My dream alienware laptop is a 13.1" MBP type laptop. I hope one's announced.'

Tbh, I'd never own the 18" ...just too big

 

All I can say about the idea of a m18x is...

Dell should go for broke! Its should be hands down the best gaming laptop, holding a SB, the highest level gpu's with a head room of up to 100+. Switchable intergraded graphics.

RGB and/or 3D (thats RGB with 3D) exterior anodized aluminum and interior magnesium and/or carbon fiber.

m18x should be high end therefore there should be no complains about size, weight, and cost.

With great power comes great responsibility.

 

remember this?

I dont think dell should go in this direction. I think something the size of the R2 is all anyone can take.

 

Ah yes... I remember and I would be fine with that if it wasn't under powered like that laptop was. The idea is performance justifies the size. Not just big for the heck of it. 480m sli need a lot of cooling, more cooling that a 17" could do correctly. IMHO dell should make a laptop that can handle any sli/xfire setup that may come out for the next two years. Its silly to think about a mac book air with 480m sli. But I read in these forums all the time. Your not going to get high end performance in a little 4 lbs laptop. The m18x or the m17x r2 are beast not tea cup poodles. please stop comparing them.

 

So any M17x owners with a Slappa M.A.S.K. bag think an M18x would fit in the laptop pocket? I'm thinking not, but I'm still hopeful.

 

Pretty sure the M18x can still fit in the Alienware Orion Backpack. There's enough space for 2 M17xs in there already. The important thing is how much your back can handle

 

Maybe it is just me but i would love that! Even think of the possibilities of doing 3 screens, 2 that can be pulled out from the back on either side of the main screen..something like this YouTube - Kohjinsha DZ Dual Screen Laptop, mini Review, PART #1

Going for broke? Cooling issues? Why not be innovative and do liquid cooling! The first laptop to have liquid cooling...time to think outside the box and be innovative!

 

On your... CHEST

Pal, we're talking LAPtops, not CHESTops...

AT possibly ± 15 pounds (or more), don't think your chest will appreciate, hot or not...

What's the weight of your G73 ?

How can you possibly game with it sitting on your chest

Your call though...

 

That was actually a very very terrible laptop. Bad design, difficult to work on, lots of problems.

 

Big as it may be, it will definetly end up alot smaller than the dell XPS. Because after all its 18"

And i wouldnt mind magnezium alloy chasis or carbon fiber chasis.
I would also want it to be full blown regarding option, because i might consider an m18 r2 as a future upgrade.
When they sort out optimus with sli. the future 22nm ivy bridge.

 

You're not the only one. Belive me, that would be my ideal laptop, right there. They were terrible though; horribly underpowered for their size. Now, one of those with two GPUs, Optimus, and 2/3 HDD bays.

 

I actually really want one of those....

 

does anyone know where I can find a diagram showing a overlay of a 17.1" screen on a 18.4" screen?

 

I think everyone is forgetting that it will be an ALIENWARE branded laptop. There will be 0 DELL logos on the thing. Hence why it will not be the abortion that that Dell machine was in the past.

I am thinking positively about this. Kinda hoping the M18x keeps the 17" size, just the borders of the screen get thinner to allow for 1 more inch of LCD screen real estate.

 

Also, after researching this a bit, the site that reported the graphics card options listed the 460m in SLI. Is that right? They offer a super high end AMD graphics card, but an "on par with AMD 4870/5870" Nvidia graphics card?

Wouldn't the 480m be a better "SLI" mobile graphics card option to offer as an alternative to the AMD 6970?

 

Not to mention the idea of liquid cooling. That is hard to maintain and work around in a desktop and there is no way I would contend with that in a laptop.

 

I do not disagree but that's where I bring up innovation. A company such as dhell has the ability to research and develop new innovative methods for computing, rather then just spending their time finding how to stick existing technology in a pretty or cool case, dont get me wrong I am sure there is more to it, but really other then the AW FX that they developed what real innovations have they come up with.

The whole idea here on speculation or what would I envision is different for everyone, but if I am gonna drop 6gs on a laptop it sure as hell should be worth it and cutting edge. If a little Japanese company can make a dual screened 11inch laptop why cant DHELL make an 18inch 3 screened laptop. Why cant they spend their kabillions of dollars on new cooling technologies, etc etc...

just my 2cents and what i dream of for a perfect computer... ;













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Rather than adding a ton of weight, maintenance, and potential for issues with watercooling, a better idea would be to use water vapor in the heatsinks like Sapphire does with their Vapor-X/Toxic line of video cards. It really works quite well. I've done several builds with it and was very surprised by how low the temperatures were.

 

This. The 580 does extremely well with its vapour cooler. I really don't know why laptop manufacturers haven't started using them. Sure, they add cost, but for an Alienware laptop it really seems like a logical step. They're using H50-style things in their desktops, why not bring water to their laptops?

 

Intel (if you do a search) announced a year or two ago that they were working on a micro sized phase change (refrigeration) compressor system for future laptops. I don't think we are at the point where we will see the fruits of that yet, but that is where things will eventually get in the years to come.

 

I'd like to see someone do a peltier cooler too. The concern is it uses electricity (which will kill battery life), but the numbers you can achieve with a peltier cooler are amazing.

Friend of mine bought one off Ebay for $12 and had his CPU in the negatives (temperature wise) for a few weeks before he upped the voltage too much and fried it.

For a 17" gaming laptop where battery life usually isn't that much of a concern anyways, a peltier cooler would be an awesome option.

 

That old giant machine people are referring to was a 20" machine. It has been mentioned before that if you simply slimmed up the bezel, that a 18" panel would fit in the current R2 frame. If you don't slim the bezel, you are talking a few millimeters larger in 2 dimensions only.

Dell looks like they went with a higher power supply mainly, and 18" came along for the ride. They then slimmed up the 17" to get it more in the weight range of a workstation machine. The M6500 is about the same power and weight as the R3 now. And making the vents on the bottom a bit narrower on the R3 probably made it a bit quieter.

Let's see what the M18x comes along as. 485's are plenty cool in the right machine. 2 of them will give you years of high end gaming pleasure. 6970's won't be any different. Plenty of power used, but years of gaming pleasure to be had at max settings.

So we'll see what comes

 

I Was thinking Peltier too, however the condensation worries me, we use to use them for RC racing and coolling our motors to below freezing and I just remember the amount of condensation that they created.

 

Talking about cooling options... there was a GPU vendor who presented a video card cooled by a stirling engine... that would be awesom... (well.. but not realistic unforunately... way too expensive)

 

Wow, Thats pretty cool, I like where the discussion is going. Maybe a hybrid of some type, like a peltier/fan cooler to help battery life when unplugged and also to help fight against moister.

IMHO, I think the idea of a m18x is about what could be. I mean the m17x r3 is now a mainstream laptop. The m18x should be for the enthusiast, the hard core gamer, the person that understands the reason for size, weight, and cost, of that type of monster. Alienware (DsELL) should understand that they may or may not sell like crazy but they need it to keep their name strong in gaming. So they can sell mainstream laptops at a premium price. Just like Ford with the mustang, Shelby models are over the top, most can't buy them. But it sure helps sell base line models to college kids.

 

LOL Hey I just looked at the wiki on that. Here's an idea put a alternator on that wheel and you'll have perpetual gaming!!! Ha

 

m17x r3 rumors and m18x info

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CLiff notes: m17x r3 Nvidia Series 465 and 485, Ati series of 6870 and 6970.

M18x: TOP SECRET..not even Michael Dell knows about it all we know is it's BADD A** and Aluminum

 

I'll be so happy if the M18x turns out to be aluminum. I don't care if it makes it heavier, i prefer the quality that it gives it as opposed to a fancy plastic.

 

Pelts can be dangerous becuase you have to have it startup with the CPU or before it (since it has a run in time) or the CPU will overheat and kill itself.

 

Well, couple things.. First, the R3 is by no means a "mainstream" laptop just because it lacks SLI. Its still an extremely powerful gaming laptop. Theres rumors that the 6970m is even more powerful than 2x 5870's in crossfire in some games. And now we're seeing information that the GTX 485m may very well be coming out for the R3 as well.

Second, I'm concerned with where they plan to go with the M18x. Last time Alienware did a large laptop, its starting price was $4000 (and it was junk). I think they would be making a huge mistake if they decided to make their only SLI laptop start at a sky high price. They would drive away a lot of their market to competitors.