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    New Alienwares 2016

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by vkt62, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Any_Key

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    The noise/cooling on that thing better be immaculate if it want's me to drop the additional $400 premium price, otherwise, it's a FANGBOOK 4 XTREME VR 200 (MSI 16L1(2)) for me.
     
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    I really wish they would've said that ahead of time.
     
  3. rinneh

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    The chassis quality appears to be very premium. No other manufacturer offers this level. Back to magnesium and aluminum laptops.
     
  4. Diversion

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    I still went 16l1(2) anyways..
     
  5. Any_Key

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    Yes, the Alienware has advantages such as the chassis, Thunderbolt 3, HDMI 2.0, etc. but not as important to me if when the fans kick on it sounds like a hair dryer and dental drill working in tandem to destroy my ear drums. From what I've read from owners of the GT62VR/16L1(2) is that the fans/cooling in that system is the best at the moment for handling a 1070 in a 15" notebook.

    Granted the last time I used an Alienware was with a 14" with a GT555M in it, but I recall the moment I loaded a game it felt like the fans went full tilt and had to hope my headphones drowned out the noise.
     
  6. ashknani

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    The configurator is already online check it
     
  7. matt-helm

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    Looks like they fixed it.. as far as the confusion with the display.
     
  8. rinneh

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    Yes and as you can see they offer 240watt powersupplies for the laptops that need it.
     
  9. rinneh

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    Yeah the 14 was known for its noise. Thats why i did not buy it at that time. But the current pre 10xx alienwares have quite moderate fan noise.
     
  10. Mr. Fox

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    It will be interesting to see if Alienware is going to be able to adequately cool 1070 and especially 1080 with quiet fans. So far, nobody has been able to accomplish that with GPUs pushing at or near 2.0GHz on the core clock. If they can, that will be good for the people that are worried about hearing the fans. If they cannot, I don't think anyone should be too surprised about it given what we already seen with Pascal thermals.
     
  11. Papusan

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  13. Papusan

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    Processor, RAM, graphics, panel, fans, one - two, three or four SSD etc. In short all hardware demand fully power. Not be tuned down!! Tuned down actually means engineers destroy the performance with Firmware!!
     
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  14. Shjo

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    So what are the chances that the QHD 120hz panel will come in at less of an upgrade cost than the UHD panel?
     
  15. noodles-the-cat

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    I just opened a chat with a Dell support person, and they could not tell me when the QHD panel will be available. This is the only panel option I'm really interested in, so I'll just need to keep an eye out for it to be released....
     
  16. Turmoil

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    On their Facebook page, they said the 120hz screen will be released Sept 30th
     
  17. noodles-the-cat

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    Interesting, good to know! I've been lurking on here reading all these threads and waiting for some full reviews to hit before making a purchase decision.
     
  18. rinneh

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    Thats not what I mean with tuned down. If you use good quality capacitors for example, good VRM's designs you have a more efficient power draw. Not all parts are created equal and the cheaper end parts often draw more power.
     
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  19. Papusan

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    I know all that. A maxed 6820 if you are lucky with the chips + heavy OC'd 1070 will use more power than what a 240 can handle. I have crashed two of the 240w psu in bench with my AW17. I needed a 330w in the end.
     
  20. Ashtrix

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    I guess the delay of 120Hz panels is because of the Panel certification even Clevo's 17" GSync 120Hz panels (AUO AHVA/IPS 25ms FHD and QHD TN 5ms is new to the scene, limited supply) are pending, ransom cash grab from Ngreedia office for the GSync, OK they advertised that 120Hz across FHD and QHD with 4ms GSync seems like they just generalized the UHD and QHD's GSync and QHD's Response time into all Panels for all screen size machines.


    Haha, I knew it. 100% expected, the usual buzzword click bait stuff, Ugh Hybrid BIOS now ? Let the Gimpolympics begin with v2 Echo :rolleyes: :p :D !

    Also pricing starts at 1500USD now condier one wants a GTX1070 with HK it goes all up to $2700, Now this is where PGA and MXM comes into play, purchase the low end HW with full flexibility if you are cash strapped and upgrade later. Thanks to BGA prophet Frank for this new marketing agenda, Shiny soldered new Alienware toys :eek: ;) :p !!
     
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  21. wickette

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    So in the end the alienware with a 1070 will draw from both the psu AND the battery pack Oo ???
     
  22. DeeX

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    It has been confirmed by a lead marketing guy and the lead R & D guy that the new systems do not have a hybrid BIOS.
    It also has been confirmed that the 1080 model will come with a 330w PSU. So any concerns of overclocks with the 1070 model can be resolved by getting a 330w with that system.
    I would compare this to some Clevos as some of them come with a adequate power supply but often end users have suggested for max OC and loads that two should be used etc.
     
  23. rinneh

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    The 1070 in a laptop uses around 125watt of power. TDP is higher but that is different. With 45watt of the CPU there should be enough left i think?
     
  24. GTO_PAO11

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    Interesting. Can you ask your contact on how confident will they be about 1080GTx not being gimped due to heat?

    Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk
     
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  25. quantumshadow

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    Screens dont look promising.


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  26. Kevin

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    Yep I was right about the 120Hz panels being TN. I knew as soon as the low refresh rates were touted.

    Bummer.
    The same guys you said confirmed that the 120Hz screens were IPS?
     
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  27. MrMoneybags

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    wow **** didn't realize the 120hz screens wouldn't be IPS. Now I'm wondering if I should even bother with them now. Isn't TN blatantly inferior to IPS?
     
  28. CarbonTwelve

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    For the most part yes. TN does offer faster response times, and it's generally cheaper. Fast IPS panels have only started showing up in the last couple of years, and they're almost exclusively large desktop panels. It's not too surprising that the 120Hz laptop panels are TN.

    Basically for laptops you'll have to choose if you want better colours & viewing angles or the higher refresh rate. It's unfortunate that G-Sync is only available with the 120Hz panel though (although, better that than the other way around; I'd hate to have a 120Hz panel without G-Sync).
     
  29. Papusan

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    My P870 with OC'd 6700K and 980 pushed +450w in bench. 1080 will probably have the same power draw like 980. The question... Will Dell put a power cap on the new Echo models in the same way as they did with AW18? This AW model was crippled by Dell's engineers and couldn't go over 330w!!

    @Mr. Fox pushed his 980m over 200w in bench. And 1070 is the successor for 980m. Interpret this as you want. 240w isn't enough with a decent OC (if you are lucky with your 6820BGA).
     
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  30. Diversion

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    Ugh no 120hz IPS bunch of liars.. also explains the 400 nits.. where light transmission in TN has an easier path than IPS.
     
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  32. MrMoneybags

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    I guess that means Sager for me.

    Really just an absolute s**tshow by Alienware with all of this.
     
  33. DeeX

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    Not sure who is answering the tweets but both "Alienware" on Facebook and Frank Azor himself has stated that the 120Hz IPS screens will be available for order "Sometime in the next two weeks".
    It should be noted that the 120Hz screens are 4ms IPS panels.
     
  34. MrMoneybags

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    I really hope you're right. There seems to be a total lack of communication and clarity on all of this.

    Are the panels IPS or not? Are they coming out by the end of the month or not?

    If the 15" 120hz displays are IPS, then I will be getting an Alienware. But I really have no idea wtf is going on right now.
     
  35. DeeX

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    That is the 1080p screen. Perhaps the QHD 144p panel is what they have been referring to.
    This seems logical as they also have been quoting the response time of 4ms.
     
  36. DeeX

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    Well there are multiple panels that are being introduced.
    Since there are for sure going to be two 120hz panels (the FHD & QHD), perhaps they really have been focusing on the QHD panel.
    We know for sure the 120Hz QHD panel is 4ms. Also several higher up, close to the products people, have mentioned IPS.
    So if I had to guess on the communications issue, I would guess the FHD panel is TN and the QHD panel is IPS.


    Where did these screens come from?
     
  37. Mr. Fox

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    I know exactly how you feel. That's exactly how I felt with they locked down the Alienware 18 BIOS with Secure Flash cancer, and then it was the same sad story when everything they offered went BGA. It's sad when the brand you want doesn't sell a product you want. No point in waiting for strike #3. But, hey... it opened my eyes to a much better way of living and with @Prema firmware mods there's no reason to bother looking back.
     
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    For me, the issue is that when the Alienware 15 was first announced, it mentioned a 120hz IPS display. No other manufacturer has offered it to this point, and I really want to order my machine by early October. If Sager had the 15" 120hz IPS display, I'd probably order from them as not only is the base price several hundred dollars cheaper, but I don't have to pay sales tax, which would add another $150 or so to the price. The superior keyboard, graphics amplifier, and probably kickass build are more the icing on the cake rather than things I'm looking for. I'd rather save the money, but if Alienware's gonna be offering it, then I'll take it. I just don't understand what's going on at all, so I don't know what to do. I'm not ordering anything before the end of the month, but I want to get a sense of what I"m getting and how much I'll be paying for, and the whole situation here with Alienware is confusing the crap out of me.
     
  39. wickette

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    This is the answer from alienware support I sent them a private message via twitter :) :

    So what do you think if it's for few seconds what does that mean ?
     
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    Was it actually announced as "120Hz IPS", or was it announced that it had a "1080p IPS panel, with a 120Hz G-Sync option" (which is what I recall it as).

    No offence, but so far there's a large amount of evidence going against multiple things you've stated as 'knowing for sure' / 'confirmed', so I'm going to trust their official channels before anything else (ie, that they're 120Hz TN panels and will be available mid Nov).
     
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    The issue is a few pages into the thread, it was stated that the 120hz displays would be IPS by someone who spoke to an Alienware spokesperson at Pax when the machines were first announced. So even within the official channels there seems to be some confusion.
     
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    This ↓↓↓ means Dellienware will continue with their Hybrid bios aka Battery boost!! Maybe not as aggressive battery Bost as before, but yet they will continue with a crippled unwanted tech. Probably also provided with some form of powercap in firmware / motherboard. More like... When the government has begun with a new fee... It will never be removed!! TRAGIC!!
    [​IMG]
     
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  43. wickette

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    Let's not jump into conclusion will you ;). I asked the support if there's a way to deactivate this 'feature' if that's the case then it's not a problem. The current asus rog G502 1070M has this hybrid bios too btw.
     
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    I really must say that if thats true (Hybrid bios) then it is real ********.... I have no probs with tn panels (i prefer fastet response time with no ghosting), bga (prefer thinner notebooks) but this hybrid thing is real ****ing ****...
    I think the First Time Ever not to buy an alienware notebook
     
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    I'm feeling the exact same thing, hybrid bios => clevo if not alienware for me^^
     
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    As I said in previous reply. If the Government start up with a new tax aka *feature*, HaHa. The new tax will continue and live for ever :cool: I know... Because I live in Norway, who have taxes for everything, HaHa
     
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    And live in France we have more taxes here ^^.
    Will go toward aorus or msi maybe no hybrid bios for me this is just horrible...it's a no no
     
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    The pascal gpus are less power consuming but more hot running. Where a good running 980 needed 1 6pin and 1pin of power in a desktop the current 1070 can even make due with a single 8pin. The laptop version is even clocked lower to safe power. So I think it will use about 125watt just like the 980m. A card i could still overclock with 200mjz easily on a 240watt psu.
     
  49. Papusan

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    It becomes more and more important not to be the Guinea Pig. Let everyone else be the test animal :D
     
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    So if some people on here keep saying "hybrid BIOS" but yet benches for the AW 1080 show ever so slightly lower then an equal Clevo, you still will make this same decision?
    I dont think there is exactly a standard of info when it comes to Hybrid BIOS. Heck, we are discovering even facts of the panels are wrong.
    I had one guy say that all laptops have hybrid BIOS(s). Does anyone really have facts? lol. This reminds me of other internet conspiracy theories.
    Bottom line is, if the laptop performs as it should then what does any rumor matter? If it doesn't live up to the expected performance then hit up the blame.
    However I dont even know how you could ever prove whether a laptop has a "Hybrid BIOS" or not even with the laptop on hand. Is there a way to test for it?
     
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