New Nvidia video cards annouced today.

Nvidia 40nm GeForce 210 GPU to hit channel in October
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Nvidia's new 40nm GeForce 210 (GT218) GPU-based graphics cards will be available in the retail channel in October, as yield of the 40nm process at foundry partner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has improved, according to industry sources.

The GeForce 210 graphics cards will feature either DDR2 or DDR3 memory, and support DirectX 10.1 and Shader Model 4.1.

In addition to GeForce 210, Nvidia is also expected to launch GPUs codenamed GT230 and GT300 in the fourth quarter of 2009, the sources said.

Nvidia has recently adjusted its GPU naming scheme and removed marks such as GTX, GT and G, and will instead just simply use GeForce plus the number.

Shipments of AMD's long-awaited RV870 GPU are expected to kick off in September at the earliest, the sources added.
ATI to launch DirectX 11 GPUs in seven weeks


For the past week and a half, we've been hearing rumors citing various dates for the launch of AMD's DirectX 11 graphics cards… ranging from GDC in China to newly invented delays that would push the launch window in to November.

However, all of these rumors are false, given that AMD has firmed its "Cinema 3.0/DirectX 11" launch. As tradition goes, the North American launch will happen in seven weeks in San Francisco on a very special place indeed - but we're not at liberty to say where the event will take place. All we can say is that it will be someplace that neither Intel nor nVidia would even remember.

ATI will catapult not one, but rather a complete DirectX 11 line-up into the orbit, ranging from $50 to the high end parts in their respective three-figure pricing brackets. Just like the Radeon 4000 series, consisting out of 4400, 4500, 4600, 4700 and 4800 parts, the new Radeon series will consist out of entry-level [Hemlock], mainstream [Cedar, Redwood], performance [Juniper] and high-end part [Cypress]. When it comes to codenames, you'll notice that all of these parts have codenames from plants, with some belonging into the same family [Cedar, Juniper, Redwood] Note that not all of these parts will be launched on the same day. Some parts might have to wait until Holiday season to get them in OEM-level numbers, but all in all - this is the strongest line-up ATI had in years. We might even dare to say strongest line-up ever from any GPU manufacturer.

According to information we have at hand, initial rumors about the names and specs proved true - these parts bring DirectX 11 compliancy from top to the bottom, and if you want to play upcoming DirectX 11 games [so far, there are six confirmed DX11 titles launching this year] in a budget less than $500, you have no other choice but to go ATI.

If there is X2 card I might get one.
I hear they are releasing laptop versions first then desktop version last

 

In regards to NV's ever changing naming convention...

What they really need to do is can the marketing brains who figured out the naming convention and hire some talented driver developers and start cranking out some driver support.

 

Nvidia has lost me and my support .... Wish I had a 485o so bad

 

Er... do you have a link?

 

Darn, and I thought I'd see a GTS 250/260M by next month. This makes me wanna shift my attention to the upcoming 4860/4830s from ATI.

Yeah, where did you get the link?

 

Yep Nvidia better be getting their act together and quick!! If they can't adapt, then they deserve to go bankrupt. And I tend to select Nvidia....

 

i don't want to say it, but i think ATI will dominate in laptops. it all started with the 4800 series on laptops. since Nvidia decided to just keep using the G92 core. the upcoming 210 doesn't look so amazing. if it is a laptop version of the desktop 210, it's going to completely suck.

 

All of them, including Hemlock (the tree) belong to the same family: Pinaceae.

 

Just so people are clear that article is talking about Nvidia's and ATI's desktop GPU plans.

The GeForce 210 is an entry level card with 16 cores and a 64-bit bus. It's the baby brother to the GeForce 220 launched a month or so ago that's got 48 cores and a 128 bit bus.

For the enthusiast they're nothing worth condemning or praising.

 

yeah, I think Nvidia is history now. They have nothing coming down their pipeline that is really improved. Nothing for DirectX 11, nothing with GDDR5. They have been unable to innovate and progress....they will go the way of 3Dfx, sad to say....And there will only be ATI....

(again I've been Nvidia user for ages, but they must adapt!)

 

the word on the street is the laptop version of ati is coming to laptop first.

 

I don't understand why NVidia is making lower end cards all of a sudden..why even bother with the GTS 250's and GT220. I sure as hell hope they have something up their sleeve for this one, I like NVidia more than ATI but I might switch if it means DX11 and GDDR5..

 

So that the casual gamer out there can have their own decent amount of graphics firepower. Plus it's a step ahead from those weak Intel IGPs dominant in many laptops.

Yeah, same also, I like Nvidia, but I guess DX11 support would come much later than the current 200M series so I might bet my money on ATI.

 

But the casual gamer can just use something like an 8800GT, 'he' probably won't care about the fact that it's 40nm and new tech, he will just want to play the games he likes at reasonable settings.

I don't think NVidia rakes in the cash by making cards for casual gamers, I think they make money from the high end stuff such as 260's, 280's and 295's. Those are the cards most people are buying if they choose NVidia over ATI

 

Very entertaining comments, fact of the matter is the 280m is still the fastest single mobile card out. ATI still havent learned that writing drivers for benchmarks is wrong. Oh well at least they please the fanboys

 

We aren't talking about mobile cards. We're discussing why new GT300 or "GeForce 300" cards haven't been announced because the sooner they are announced, the closer we are to getting some mobile versions for our laptops .

 

Ironically, I am an Nvidia fanboy. But right now, Nvidia is epic failing, big time. ATI has radical innovative designs, on the verge of being released, and yet Nvidia as not done one innovative thing recently, not one new technology. I am totally disappointed, since they seem to rest only on their last release, and seem content to coast along and collect cash. Well, fine, if Nvidia does not want to do any R&D, they will go out of business.

 

For notebooks this pretty much sums it up, with the addition of the fact that smaller notebooks can't keep the more powerful GPUs cool enough.

In desktops the entry level and mid level cards are more geared towards trendy, small form factor, and HTPCs. machines (evidenced by the G210's low profile design) where people don't want to look at huge bulking cases with half a dozen fans putting out enough decibels to drain out some surround sound systems. Even though an 8800 GT may be casual performance by today's standards it still requires that type of box to house it.

Nvidia may be making a larger profit per card on their enthusiast GPUs but they sell more of their entry and mid-range cards.

 

LOL....yep and for a while I was content to buy them....guess I won't much longer....

 

It has always been the case that nVidia makes a larger profit on enthusiast GPUs but they sell a LOT more entry and mid-range cards. Most people don't care that they can run Crysis at 1920x1200 with all settings maxed in game and in the control panel - in fact - most users would be fine with the game just being playable and do not even mess with the graphics controls for them.

 

i just LOL'd in my pants

 

well it is going to be quite some time before we see a machine that has a large performance increase over the m17x and the m980Nu.

Whichever way the curtain falls we will be all talking about new models of laptop when they arrive (m980nu replacement and m17x replacement)

very few people will shell out hundreds of £££'s just for the cards, me myself would rather get a new laptop.

I think it is too far away for us to have any idea just what Nvidia or ATI have round the corner, i remember people jumping up and down about the 3870's and having been an owner of them they were good but not great. AW have some many problems with the 4850's they are pulling them from sale...just look at the temps some people are scoring on them...

Nvidia need to realise that if ATI do pull a bunny out of the hat and bring to market a new chip which takes the 280/300 apart they will loose out on sales, period.

 

1 guy is having bad themps ....

the Whitebook never had super cooling in mind like the M!7x

but i will say the 850Di was so much better then the 840Di

 

Yeah not like high temps could have anything to do with the fact that Flex designed the chassis with only one GPU fan....it must be the 4850s that're the problem.

GTX 280m's would probably have been ice cold in there amirite?

 

naw the 3870's stayed @ 70c all the time

 

Warcraft - provide a link to the original article ASAP or this thread will be closed. Posting material that is not yours without giving credit is plagiarism.

 

ATI's chips have always been known to burn like fire... nVidia has traditionally had less cooling problems overall than ATI.

 

Heh, So this is how I see it:

Nvidia thinks their GTX 295 should be the top card for a while, so thus they are focusing on the lower end GPUs this time around.With ATi still not having anything to beat the GTX 295, ATi is trying to focus more on making cards faster to beat the 295.Nvidia still hasn't even made the jump to GDDR5 yet.

 

Here is a link for the Digitimes post -

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090819PD216.html

 

Guess there's no point in moving the thread to the Gaming/Graphics section if you're unsure whether or not you'll have to lock the thread. :wink:

 

Remind me which company was it again that produced all those defective cards that failed en masse because of "weak materials" used in their manufacturing could not handle the heat the GPU produced? Hmmm?

 

heeheehee...love these arguements

I'm no fanboy, I have enjoyed both manufacturers..even though Nvidia has been lacking lately. But Phin has an excellent point

 

i've always wondered what happened to ddr4? it went from ddr2 to ddr3 then ddr5. was there something missing? i've always liked nvidia for laptops, but ever since i tested the w90vp, i was shocked at the power of those 4870's. so i'm thinking that as soon as ATI releases their power house DX11 cards, 1 month later, nvidia will release a card that will rape ATIs powerhouse card. well i hope so.

 

as i mentioned earlier there are speculations that ati dx11 cards will come out for laptop first then desktop....

 

That has only been recently. Look through history at how many defective cards ATi has produced. All the way back to the All In Wonder series, ATi has had problems with heat. I replaced my 9800 four times because it kept overheating and my friend has replaced his 4870 because it was constantly hitting over 100C and causing the system to overheat and shut down.

My desktop nVidia cards have never had a problem. My 9800M in my Macbook Pro doesn't have a problem. The 8700M GT in my Toshiba does not have a problem. It was the 8600 series that were the major problem child for nVidia.

 

therein lies the problem, Nvidia does not have one thing lined up that would suggest their next cards will even come close to ATI's latest....

 

does anyone know for sure what Nvidia has on offer next and what will the M17x be upgradeable too??

 

1)Not high-end from nvidia. There are some midrange cards (GTS 260M) that were anounced a while ago but nothing has shown up yet.

2)And anything MXM3.0b

 

pardon my ignorance buts its been a while since i was a modder, playing catch up what does MXM3.ob refer too?

 

I thought the way alienware works was to dedicate one brand of video card(and processor) to a certain model, I always thought it was a deal of some sort between manufacturers.
For ex. The previous m17x was nvidia, the M17 was ati, and now the new M17x is nvidia based.

What makes us so sure that they will offer an ati card in the future?
Hope I'm being clear in bringing my point forward xD

 

Chaz has already confirmed with AW that the M17x will have ATI cards.

That and you could also read the M17x user manual It has instructions in it on how to operate crossfire

 

But wouldn't that ruin the cycle?

I'm not doubting the ATI's appearing on the M17x really..its just that's how its always been with most manufactures...Intel or AMD based, Nvidia or ATI based, for the life of that particular model.

 

m15x has Nvidia and ATI GPU options.

 

It's more like... Nvidia can't compete with ATi and is having problems to scale down any chips due the giant die size and will have the same problem with GT300 .

Plus the nvidia costs are way higher so theres not much nvidia can do, 5870 wins.

Your MBP had a magical 9800m?

@topic - Too bad they aren't releasing a 5870 x2 at the same time of the single gpu version... I'm gonna need to buy 2 5870

 

Here's a good long read from The Inquirer on the GPU future...in particular the GT300.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt300-architecture


It is a few months old though and since it was written Nvidia has announced the release of a few 40-nm die shrinks supporting DX10.1, and taped out the GT300 at the end of July.

 

looks like ill be replacing my 280m sli for the dx 11 ati cards on the m17x.

 

Hmm I might just order my M17x with a single 260m now that these ATI cards are coming, but I'm not real sure how much it would be to upgrade or how easy it would be to get them by themselves.

 

Actually from what I've seen so far, it's a draw. A lot of the newer games are favoring the ATi cards and their driver support in general seems to be improving a lot (that's not to say that it has nVidia beat on this aspect, because nVidia is still ahead). Just check out the W90 and M17 w/ 4850 benchmarks and compare them to any GTX 260M Sli or 280M SLi run and you will see what I mean.

But if the current trend is of any indication, nVidia needs to step up in the discrete notebook GPU market bigtime, especially now that ATi out of nowhere just grabbed 50%+ marketshare in this sector.

 

Would be worse for nVidia if the RV870 uses a 256-bit bus because then ATi would be able to fit the core inside notebooks. Kind of like what they did with the RV770 -> M98.

Nonetheless, I'm sure that there will be different variants of the GT300 or architecture based off it, but using a narrower interface, and that may be used for nVidia's high-end/enthusiast mobile cards.