Next Monday 10.17.16: Frank Azor, Alienware GM, AMA, Alienware.TV 2pm EST

From Arena: Frank Azor, Alienware GM, will be doing an aMA on Alienware.TV @2pm EST on 10-17-16

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Frank: since you know & agree as we all do that Area-51 R2 motherboard ain't a $500 Gem ... why is it priced for $550 on Dell Sales for ... why the need for another $325 profit over & above the profit that is already had when priced at its fair market value of $225

As for the 51-R2 power supply, why is it priced at $465 without cables? That is the cost of the world's finest chassis, of which R2 does not have, in fact it is about the worst 1500w on the 'market'. Why do the PSU & motherboard cost over $1000 as a pair ... double what they're worth. Why the need to rip everyone off like that for?

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Ah but they do have control over pricing

Spoiler: Price Drop

There at my behest, the 1080 was dropped from $820 to $700 - by whom? - the Marketing Manager, an underling ... the why of the price drop: failure to pass public scrutiny. So while some members fill up their boxes with hot air as the apologists that they are, I actively lobby for price drops - not for myself - but for the owning public. As head of the label he has absolute control to intervene with pricing & set it competitively, also known as 'we are committed', meaning Dellware; any comments in this thread to the contrary is, well ... to the forum at large: don't spread lies & misinform the public with the blame shifting

Spoiler: Accountability Straight Ahead

If Frank wants to answer, he can do so through his basic membership here or Alien.TV Monday should it arise

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Frank Azor doing an AMAJNT (Ask me anything Just not that)

 

You know he has absolutely no control over pricing. Hes basically just a marketing manager now

 

He is the manager of the Alienware brand but I guess the production & spareparts selling is managed by Dell.

 

He's out to whore out market the Alienware brand to try and gain some market share in comparison to other BGA machines. He's no computer engineer, don't expect him to know jack about the components in the machines he's peddling.

 

Link to AMA. Starts from 16:00 and ends at 1:26:35.

 

Just watched the complete AMA, actually nothing new beside some release dates. I had to laugh very hard when Frank Azor tried to convince the audience, that they make sure every part in their products will last 4 years and longer. I owned an AW14 (R1) once, and had to repaste it after just 1 year because the stock thermal compount was totally dried out. I had to peel it off the heatsink and chips, never seen something like this. What's the point in high quality parts if they save money at such a crucial point ?

 

They are beating a dead horse..

 

and there we have the anti alienware squad again, the new machines are quite well received up until now. If you dont like the concept. Buy a machine you do like. But constantly comming back just to complain is annoying for all other users.

 

You are blinded by the reality my friend. I guess even after those numerous posts on the Alienware desktop counterparts about the situation.
Since It's a subforum everyone can voice their opinions take it or not that's the users choice to make, You seem like highly offended whenever a -ve thing shows up with Alienware.

I've requested a person to report back some TDPs on the GPUs with a simple HWInfo metrics and FS/Heaven bench, And nothing in return not even speck of info on the machines.

Hell almost every user in this new BGA Alienware forum is less than Avg. Joe & yeah that works out for Alienware more than enough to keep them pumping out the rotten filth in the old shadow of the Brand.

Alienware is DEAD. RIP.

 

I couldnt care less about your opinion. It is more that you just come here spew unfounded negativity with lines like this: "Hell almost every user in this new BGA Alienware forum is less than Avg. Joe & yeah that works out for Alienware more than enough to keep them pumping out the rotten filth in the old shadow of the Brand."

If you looked a bit through the topics you already could find some nice data about the performance.

 

Each side has good points, but no need to insult a consumer because he bought an 'lga fat behemoth' or an 'anorexic bga' laptop . Keep calm and have some respect ! As always no one has THE perfect laptop, each one will find the laptop configuration that suits him best. And YES the 'average joe' has the right to own a laptop, he shouldn't feel sorry about it at all, au contraire !

For my case, i used to have laptops with replaceable parts...and man those parts cost SO MUCH, I can 20000% understand that a big DTR that costs 3000+ should not have BGA components, but for other cases, upgrading components costs sometimes more than selling your old machine and buying a new one .

With a -125mv I'm managing a MAX 69°C 6700HQ CPU and 64-69°C 1070 GPU in stress tests (3DMARK, XTU stress test, ungine valley) , on the AW15R3, very promising.

 

I'm not wanting to get beef with anyone after all we are the consumers we are a whole, I was just tired of seeing the Alienware's fallacies over and over again and they go unnoticed and reap profits but we don't get that lasts for long run, the premium that the user pays is nothing for the class of hardware they ship in return and that's they most of the former Alienware legacy owners emphasize the same thing in the some or the other form over & over.

Consumer is the one who loses in the middle grounds against the conglomerates and corporations....On the software side we already lost, Mafia$oft / Google are the ring leaders now, playing their puppet game...I hope people realize it before it completely overshadows and takes full control, Instead we should put an end to this flood infestation of taking edge over the consumer knowledge of things, against liberty.

TL;DR: Just be thoughtful that's all I wish for the people.

 

I'm not necessarily against BGA outright I just dont find spending several thousand euro on a machine that could die from a single faulty party is worth it. The prices they ask for these machines doesnt match the value of the hardware and is rather price gouged imo. Not to mention that these machines will never be really upgradable. To top it off the hardware will only last probably 3 or 4 years then go belly up. I'd rather spend the higher amount on a machine like the skyx9 or whatever the clevo number is for it knowing that at least if its only one part that goes dodgy thats what gets replaced and not having to chuck out a much larger amount on replacing everything or getting a brand new machine. My M18Xr2 is a testament to this even tho its moody at times with windows 10, I'm still running it with 980M SLI GPU's and my machine despite being 4 years old is equal to a BGA computer like those acer dominators that can sell for up to €3000 brand new yet all it cost me to upgrade this was a cheap €1300 euro just to buy the 980m's and replace the old 675m's with them myself. As a result I got a machine as good as the current ones on sale and by the time it starts getting outclassed by newer games and such my machine could be easily 7 years old. One hell of a testament to good hardware.

 

And do you think that the price of MXM GPUs are affordable ? And the price of socketed laptops CPU were affordable when they were produced ? It cost a kidney to upgrade.

AW loses here, because they cannot repair only the MB they will have to pay for the whole motherboard each time there's a problem. As long as you have a warranty you shouldn't be worried about that.

1300 Euros ?
A high end MXM card would cost me 750E, If I sell my A15R3 and buy a volta 15R4 i will pay less, I promise.
(approx Same for A18 to A18 volta if they weren't discontinued maybe add 100 200E)

But again I would have prefered socketed components of course BUT I'm against laptop components price in the first place, that's what I'm angry at, MXM card price.

 

Have you seen all the tested AW15R3 have serious processor heat problems in benchmarks? I can't see a single review of newest AW15 with decent max processor temp in bench/tests. Or maybe you have seen results with opposite results? If so... Can you post those links? Thanks

 

I yet have to see credible sources. The only real source I found is that Chinese youtube channel but they tested it after repasting.

 

Credible ?
I have the alienware, and yes in benchmark the CPU achieves 90+°C, thing is it's for a very very short time and after undervolt I achieve 78 to 82°C in bench max .

But even with the undervolt some games can still push the CPU to 90°C.

The culprit is a high voltage because of intel, a bios/ec that can be improved and mediocre factory thermal paste.

I will repaste soon and post pictures and benchmarks . I will use ICD, I won't use Grizzly conductonaut or liquid ultra as it leaves noticeable traces on the CPU/GPU die and it's really delicate to remove.

 

Good information to know. I ofcourse cant check every post out here so I missed your information. I just saw a few sketchy youtube videos.

 

Have you benched with same clockspeed as level 3 Oc profile in Bios but with your own created undervoltage? Have you tested gaming with same Oc as level 3 Oc profile? Remember level 3 only have a wimpy 3.9 GHz overclock over all 4 cores.

@rinneh Yeah, I know we haven't seen much numbers from new Aw15 yet, but what I have seen so far.., Lower Cinebench R15 score than other brands models with default + OC'd clockspeed. Also lower than models from last year. And almost all brands models use higher voltage than necessary. Also they use Crap thermal paste.

 

I have a 6700HQ

 

Sorry, I should seen it in previous posts and the damn small phone doesn't make it better. Oh'well. Could you push out a few processor benchmark? Eg Wprime 1024M stress test + Cinebench R15.
The cooling in this model should be enough for stock 3.1 GHz even with higher voltage and not the best thermal paste. The cooling is dimensioned for 15% higher TDP. This based on use of Oc'd 6820Hk with Oc level 3 in Bios.

 

I can confirm it's enough and the 3.1 is maintained in stress test, but 'enough' is not enough for me so I'm repasting, I want a computer that can run witcher 3 and prime95 in parallel without me worrying about temps ^^. When you pay 2000 Euros I don't expect less.

AW needs to patch the bios in order to reduce temps for the 6820HK, right now the promise is not fulfilled. This thing heats too much and can't be Oc'd in stock configuration.